migrants around Calais area ?

Googlebot said:
Yes, very much so. Freedom of movement gave us access to some very wonderful things.
Click to expand...
First can I congratulate you for being the first of the pro-illegal immigrant people on MHF to actually admit you want unlimited immigration. All the others have so far not admitted to that.

So the UN predicts the Earth's population will reach 8 billion in Nov. how many of them will you be putting up in your house ?

What will the UK be like with say 1 billion occupants, which could be the consequence of your policy ?
 
Sandancers said:
First can I congratulate you for being the first of the pro-illegal immigrant people on MHF to actually admit you want unlimited immigration. All the others have so far not admitted to that.

So the UN predicts the Earth's population will reach 8 billion in Nov. how many of them will you be putting up in your house ?

What will the UK be like with say 1 billion occupants, which could be the consequence of your policy ?
Click to expand...
Already put people up in my house thanks. Have you?

I also never said I wanted unlimited immigration. Freedom of movement and immigration are different things. You do of course know this.

I also never said I was pro illegal immigrant, you said that.
 
Googlebot said:
Already put people up in my house thanks. Have you?

I also never said I wanted unlimited immigration. Freedom of movement and immigration are different things. You do of course know this.

I also never said I was pro illegal immigrant, you said that.
Click to expand...
No, I would certainly never give house room to anyone who had entered the UK illegally.

So to have freedom of movement the UK should scrap all immigration checks on everyone coming here ?

So if you don't want unlimited illegal immigration (as LEGAL immigration is inherently limited) how many illegal immigrants per year do you think the UK should allow ?

Now none of the other pro-illegal immigrant people on MHF will ever give a figure. I wonder if you will be brave enough to do so ?
 
Sandancers said:
No, I would certainly never give house room to anyone who had entered the UK illegally.
Click to expand...
There is no legal route, so everyone who claims asylum is by definition here illegally. So you wouldn’t give house room for anyone is what you mean?

I don’t really know what you are after with regards to figures. I would open the doors to all those who needed it.

I don’t really have anything else to add so will politely withdraw from the discussion now.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 
Googlebot said:
There is no legal route, so everyone who claims asylum is by definition here illegally. So you wouldn’t give house room for anyone is what you mean?

I don’t really know what you are after with regards to figures. I would open the doors to all those who needed it.

I don’t really have anything else to add so will politely withdraw from the discussion now.
Click to expand...

So once again a pro-illegal person declines to give an upper number of illegal immigrants they think should be allowed into the UK. It was ever thus !
 
Googlebot said:
The genuine ones get help while the non genuine ones get refused before they get here. Nobody drowns.
Click to expand...
No, the non genuine ones then use the dinghy route after an 'official' attempt fails, just delays the same outcome. Once they are here, very few leave.
 
Sandancers said:
So once again a pro-illegal person declines to give an upper number of illegal immigrants they think should be allowed into the UK. It was ever thus !
Click to expand...
I didn’t decline to give you an upper number, I said however many need help. That means however many need our assistance, if that’s millions or thousands.

I also never said I was pro illegal, that’s a label you put on me.

Not sure why you seem so angry but as said, I have nothing to add.
 
Googlebot said:
I didn’t decline to give you an upper number, I said however many need help. That means however many need our assistance, if that’s millions or thousands.

I also never said I was pro illegal, that’s a label you put on me.

Not sure why you seem so angry but as said, I have nothing to add.
Click to expand...

I am not angry with you, you have a perfect right to your own views. I am very angry with the UK Gov. for allowing this situation to continue.

But thanks for clarifying that you would be happy to see millions of non-legal immigrants into the UK. Don't know that we'd have enough hotels to house them all tho !
 
Sandancers said:
I am not angry with you, you have a perfect right to your own views. I am very angry with the UK Gov. for allowing this situation to continue.

But thanks for clarifying that you would be happy to see millions of non-legal immigrants into the UK. Don't know that we'd have enough hotels to house them all tho !
Click to expand...
I don't understand, we have the Royal Navy and Imigration both working in the Channel and yet 1000 plus crossed over yesterday. What are the Navy doing, drinking tea?
 
PhilMary said:
I don't understand, we have the Royal Navy and Imigration both working in the Channel and yet 1000 plus crossed over yesterday. What are the Navy doing, drinking tea?
Click to expand...

The problem is, the RN CAN'T do anything.

All it needs is for the people in a dingy to be landed at Dover and put straight on a plane to Rwanda (or any other Country which needs UK aid) within a week of that happening to all who are landed at Dover the crossings would stop. But the Human Rights crowd don't like that idea.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 
Googlebot said:
It’s a pity we can’t just provide a processing centre in Calais as the French have suggested.
Click to expand...
Why should they? It is a French problem, They allowed them to enter & cross the country. We should be driving them back 6 any escorting french vessels should be sunk.
Googlebot said:
he genuine ones get help while the non genuine ones get refused before they get here.
Click to expand...
& that is why it would never work as the "non genuine " ones, (asfaiac that's all of them) would not apply as they know thyey will get knocked back
Googlebot said:
the reason the numbers are crossing now are so high is the smugglers know we have no legal recourse.
Click to expand...
The obvious way is to target the smugglers using lethal force, summary execution without recourse to arrest or trial.
 
Silver-Fox said:
Is that including the Albanians 🤔
Click to expand...
Number of Albanians coming across in Dinghies is pretty low, making up just 8% last year. And as Albania isn't a war torn country with a particularly oppressive regime, two thirds are rejected.

People from Iran, Iraq and Eritrea make up the top 3 with about 40% of arrivals. About three quarters of those refugees are granted asylum.

From 2010 to 2021, only 31,000 people have been resettled as refugees in the UK, and 68% of them were from Syria. For scale, the number of immigrants in the UK is about 10 million.
 
gus-lopez said:
Why should they? It is a French problem, They allowed them to enter & cross the country. We should be driving them back 6 any escorting french vessels should be sunk.

& that is why it would never work as the "non genuine " ones, (asfaiac that's all of them) would not apply as they know thyey will get knocked back

The obvious way is to target the smugglers using lethal force, summary execution without recourse to arrest or trial.
Click to expand...
I'm with you gus! Can we not just Nuke France and kill two birds with one stone !
 
french police/air helicopter patrolling low all down the coast last week at Sangatte, while I had my binolculars out watching a boat and a large dinghey. 1 turned back to shore after about 500 yards.
I assume helicopter was trying to put them off.
 
Guigsy said:
Number of Albanians coming across in Dinghies is pretty low, making up just 8% last year. And as Albania isn't a war torn country with a particularly oppressive regime, two thirds are rejected.

People from Iran, Iraq and Eritrea make up the top 3 with about 40% of arrivals. About three quarters of those refugees are granted asylum.

From 2010 to 2021, only 31,000 people have been resettled as refugees in the UK, and 68% of them were from Syria. For scale, the number of immigrants in the UK is about 10 million.
Click to expand...
News reporters say that extremely violent Albanian gangsters have been taking over the highly profitable people smuggling racket from the Iraqi Kurdish gangsters from Irbil (also quite violent) who previously dominated the illegal migrant smuggling racket. Hence various news reports in the French media of shootings and deaths in the unauthorised migrant camps in the Pas de Calais, that don't get reported much if at all in the UK. This might explain why weapons and even guns have been discovered with a minority of the illegal migrants who land daily on the south coast. Criminal records checks? Hmmm. Migrants wanted for rape and murder have slipped into the UK under false names.

My guess is that the escalating violence could spread beyond the migrant camps. I would be extra vigilant about encounters with migrants roaming around in the Calais area. Until now there haven't been many reports of violence used by migrants, except when they use tree branches and rocks against commercial vans and trucks at night to try to make them stop; one driver was killed. Motorhomers have been relatively lucky so far. I only stop overnight well away from the Channel coast.
 
SpeedyDux said:
News reporters say that extremely violent Albanian gangsters have been taking over the highly profitable people smuggling racket from the Iraqi Kurdish gangsters from Irbil (also quite violent) who previously dominated the illegal migrant smuggling racket. Hence various news reports in the French media of shootings and deaths in the unauthorised migrant camps in the Pas de Calais, that don't get reported much if at all in the UK. This might explain why weapons and even guns have been discovered with a minority of the illegal migrants who land daily on the south coast. Criminal records checks? Hmmm. Migrants wanted for rape and murder have slipped into the UK under false names.

My guess is that the escalating violence could spread beyond the migrant camps. I would be extra vigilant about encounters with migrants roaming around in the Calais area. Until now there haven't been many reports of violence used by migrants, except when they use tree branches and rocks against commercial vans and trucks at night to try to make them stop; one driver was killed. Motorhomers have been relatively lucky so far. I only stop overnight well away from the Channel coast.
Click to expand...
The number of people that claim refuge in the UK has remained relatively flat for the past decade. The influx is more driven by foreign wars than what the UK's current policy is. All that's happened is making the channel harder to cross has encouraged criminality and got many killed. It hasn't made dent in the (still relatively small) numbers.
 
jongood said:
Makes me wonder why all these people are prepared to risk their lives to get out of the EU!
Click to expand...
The majority of them do claim refuge in Europe. The EU takes far more refugees than the UK does.

Many of them want to reach their family already in the UK. Or maybe they know some English. Compared to their experiences of war in their home country and the rest of their journey, the channel crossing is just bump.

Subscribers  do not see these advertisements

 
Guigsy said:
The majority of them do claim refuge in Europe. The EU takes far more refugees than the UK does.

Many of them want to reach their family already in the UK. Or maybe they know some English. Compared to their experiences of war in their home country and the rest of their journey, the channel crossing is just bump.
Click to expand...

Maybe you should watch this video and see how many have come from a war;

 
Sandancers said:
Maybe you should watch this video and see how many have come from a war;

Click to expand...

The Balkans could become a war zone - again. Right now there is no legitimate reason for Albanians to cross the channel and claim refugee status in the UK. That could change.

NATO appears to be helping to raise tensions between Croatia (NATO member and former ally of Nazi Germany) and Serbia (traditional Russian ally, but wanting to join the EU). The violent war record of the Croatian Ustase extreme nationalists is appalling and even the Nazis protested about them as allies. Other former Yugoslavs have long memories about these Croatian atrocities, so NATO ought to stop interfering and calm things down in the Balkans. Instead, NATO will shortly be opening a new air base in central Albania (also a NATO member, notorious for corruption and gangsters). Bad for peace, good for arms manufacturers.

allthatsinteresting.com

Meet The Ustase, The Croatian Fascists Even The Nazis Couldn't Control

By the end of their four-year reign of terror, an estimated 30,000 Jews, 29,000 Gypsies, and between 300,000 and 600,000 Serbs had been slaughtered.
allthatsinteresting.com allthatsinteresting.com

www.euronews.com

NATO to open Balkan airbase in member state Albania

Renovatory work on the Kuçovë base began in January, as military spending in much of Europe has been rising.
www.euronews.com www.euronews.com
 
We used Calais the other week and I only saw a few walking along the autoroute.
However, we no longer use stops or supermarkets near ports as we’ve had bad experiences in the past with loiterers around the van and that includes Caen and Dieppe.

Without getting into the debate of who’s fault or because we voted X, what I want to know is if these people are in fear to escape persecution from their homeland, surely they would apply to settle in the next/nearest safe country rather than trapes across mainland Europe to try enter the UK illegally?
If the government wasn’t prepared to give entry visas to the Afghan interpreters who were valuable assets to the UK armed forces whilst serving over there, why should pity be taken upon those who are illegally trying to get into the UK from the French coast?
 

Join us or log in to post a reply.

To join in you must be a member of MotorhomeFun

Join MotorhomeFun

Join us, it quick and easy!

Join us

Log in

Already a member? Log in here.

Latest journal entries

Back
Top