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Though someone had stolen my Elsie...........wont tell the family there are 2Elsie was most helpful carrying us around Europe for the last 27,000 miles. It's a reg thing.
If your other half is Polish, surely you can travel around the EU at will for as long as you want provided you always travel with your other half?I know that those of us who are Residents in EU countries are a minority on here, but not a small minority.
I as a Polish Resident am still like most of you restricted to 90/180 anywhere outside Poland, as are all Residents outside their host country, but not Citizens.
I have read the very informative posts about the process of applying for an extended visa for France, which would allow us to tour more weeks in Europe generally since the time in France would not eat into the 90 days. Applying would mean the hassle of travelling to Warsaw to apply and sod's law says that some bit of paper would be wrong and need a return visit.
With no internal border checks inside Schengen I have weighed up the chances of being caught exceeding 90 days, including the fact that we would be travelling in a Polish registered MH so are unlikely to attract attention as being other than Polish Citizens, which OH is anyway.
Even if I were caught I might be fined and if deported I think it would have to be to Poland. Even if banned I doubt whether a French or Spanish government could cancel my Polish Residency. Also the ban would be ineffective without border checks, except if I tried to come into EU other than into Poland. All very remote as to not worry me.
On balance I have decided that if it suited me to exceed 90 days on any one trip I would take the risk. If I exceeded 90 days because of two separate trips within 180 days how would anyone know about the first trip? A trawl through '000s of ANPR cameras to find the registration of one vehicle that 'I had lent to Basia's son' ?
In general I think the authorities will not bother trying to enforce the 90/180 restrictions on Residents of EU countries just travelling, just as they do not enforce the requirement to register in a country after 90 days, unless one settles there. I was over the 90 days when I applied for Residence here and was told 2 years ago that I would receive a £100 fine, nothing happened.
Of course we can blame all this Administrative nonsense on the Napoleonic Code principles which are contrary to Common Law principles. I surmise that if the EU and Schengen acted under Common Law principles then these restrictions within EU/Schengen borders would not exist. Discuss.
I have spent most of my life avoiding questions where any of the possible answers are not what I wanted to hear. We never asked our kids what they wanted to eat; we told them what they were getting or offered a choice. Same with this question. Avoid if possible.I know that those of us who are Residents in EU countries are a minority on here, but not a small minority.
I as a Polish Resident am still like most of you restricted to 90/180 anywhere outside Poland, as are all Residents outside their host country, but not Citizens.
I have read the very informative posts about the process of applying for an extended visa for France, which would allow us to tour more weeks in Europe generally since the time in France would not eat into the 90 days. Applying would mean the hassle of travelling to Warsaw to apply and sod's law says that some bit of paper would be wrong and need a return visit.
With no internal border checks inside Schengen I have weighed up the chances of being caught exceeding 90 days, including the fact that we would be travelling in a Polish registered MH so are unlikely to attract attention as being other than Polish Citizens, which OH is anyway.
Even if I were caught I might be fined and if deported I think it would have to be to Poland. Even if banned I doubt whether a French or Spanish government could cancel my Polish Residency. Also the ban would be ineffective without border checks, except if I tried to come into EU other than into Poland. All very remote as to not worry me.
On balance I have decided that if it suited me to exceed 90 days on any one trip I would take the risk. If I exceeded 90 days because of two separate trips within 180 days how would anyone know about the first trip? A trawl through '000s of ANPR cameras to find the registration of one vehicle that 'I had lent to Basia's son' ?
In general I think the authorities will not bother trying to enforce the 90/180 restrictions on Residents of EU countries just travelling, just as they do not enforce the requirement to register in a country after 90 days, unless one settles there. I was over the 90 days when I applied for Residence here and was told 2 years ago that I would receive a £100 fine, nothing happened.
Of course we can blame all this Administrative nonsense on the Napoleonic Code principles which are contrary to Common Law principles. I surmise that if the EU and Schengen acted under Common Law principles then these restrictions within EU/Schengen borders would not exist. Discuss.
I have spent most of my life avoiding questions where any of the possible answers are not what I wanted to hear. We never asked our kids what they wanted to eat; we told them what they were getting or offered a choice. Same with this question. Avoid if possible.
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Apologies. I am away from home and using a small phone screen. Can’t really explain how that happened though.I am not sure your post was part of the 'Discussion' that I prompted, but never mind. No harm done. My post was nearly a year old.
only if marriedIf your other half is Polish, surely you can travel around the EU at will for as long as you want provided you always travel with your other half?
Any other EU national in Spain is subject to the same 90/180 restriction as us, If they are checking they are surely be more likely to be checking for this.Last year some campsites were scanning passports into a Police programme. They said it was to check for visa misuse.
Any other EU national in Spain is subject to the same 90/180 restriction as us, If they are checking they are surely be more likely to be checking for this.
We were recently on a Portugese camperstop where there were at least 5 Mh's that had been there for years, including a British couple who had apparently been there for 5 years on a UK plate. The German next to us claimed to have been there for 3 years.
Thanks Geoff, yes there is a distinction there but either could be what they re checking for.EU Citizens can stay as long as they want in another EU country but must register after 90 days. It is only Residents of EU countries who should not exceed 90/180 anywhere outside their country of Residence
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Last year some campsites were scanning passports into a Police programme. They said it was to check for visa misuse.
Thanks Geoff, yes there is a distinction there but either could be what they re checking for.
My German wife was advised by the German Embassy that there was no such deregation for spouses. Could you point to where there is stated in the EU regulations.The 90 day rule doesn't apply to a eu citizens , Or there spouse/children if traveling with them At the same time
It's been a topic several times on the forum, hopefully someone will see this and quote the appropriate Regulation.My German wife was advised by the German Embassy that there was no such deregation for spouses. Could you point to where there is stated in the EU regulations.
Thanks !
Hi Trevor,The 90 day rule doesn't apply to a eu citizens , Or there spouse/children if traveling with them At the same time
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Carpmart has previously posted the information you require.Hi Trevor,
Can you please Point me to the deregulation that validates this advantages point. My wife is a German National and has been advised by the German Embassy in Edinburgh that this is not the case and that the 90/180 rule applies.
Thanks
Travel well and travel safely.
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Well we have our appointment on 17th, but I have a feeling seeing your format that we have given a little too much info! Do they tell you there and then if your application has been accepted?Thank you all for your help in guiding us through the process.
We had our TLS interview on Monday 3rd June and received our visas by post on Monday 17th June.
Attached are some editable docs and a checklist we used when making our application.
A couple of notes that might be of interest from our experience...
Before you are allowed in the building they want to see your appointment letter which was emailed to each of you. I was unsure of which email as they send you several. A copy of what got me through the door is below.
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The interviewer wasn't remotely interested in our itinerary (which was lucky as I had not prepared one).
In our application I gave the name of a campsite near Calais for the first night. I did not book a pitch or contact the campsite.
We arrived on time and had about a 45 minute wait before being seen. We were called up together and both applications were processed at the same time. As you are making individual applications so will need two copies of everything.
I suggest you get your photos taken beforehand as the queue for the photo booth was longer than the queue for the interview.
Costs were...
TLS fee to process the application 55 euros each.
If you don't want to collect your passport and shiny new visa from the TLS Centre - the postage cost per passport is £30 (returned by Royal Mail special delivery). These were paid when making the TLS appointment.
French visa fee of 99 euros each paid at the interview (they only take card payments).
Hope this helps.
It’s time consuming, they ask you for each piece of paper/information (don’t staple anything together!) and obviously they are inputting data into a computer, whilst collating your pack. They will only tell you if you have provided all the necessary documentation not if your application will be successful. (Although I’m sure it will be fine). Don’t worry about having more information. Their job is to get what they need and put it into the right format for the application. We had paperwork they didn’t ask for.Well we have our appointment on 17th, but I have a feeling seeing your format that we have given a little too much info! Do they tell you there and then if your application has been accepted?
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The 90 consecutive days has always applied to all EU citizens. All you had to do though was pop in to another country after 89 days and the clock started again.My German wife was advised by the German Embassy that there was no such deregation for spouses. Could you point to where there is stated in the EU regulations.
Thanks !
If youvare travelling with your German wife she has the right ,as above,up to 90 consecutive days in any one country. By entering another country for 24hours the clock resets so that you can either ,return to original country or stay in the one you are in.has been advised by the German Embassy in Edinburgh that this is not the case and that the 90/180 rule applies.
So-far, I am not applying for a Spanish NLV.
Too many hoops to jump through.
But, if I do decide to, this 12 month French visa sounds like a plan to avoid paying tax on our UK house asked to the Spanish government
I think you'll be OK. Ours were in a sleeved document holder. It would be prettyy bad if they rejected all of the correct documentation for having two little holes in them.To anyone who has successfully done the interview stage…. Did you put all your documents into a punched ring binder file? Just checking there isnt some strange french regulation about punching holes in your copies!
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