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Go on admit it you just weren't trying hard enough.Oh yes found it, rung brownhills asked them if they knew, after telling me all the places you suggested, somebody who worked on Hymers years ago said it is hidden in the small panel at the side of drivers seat, told us to take all panels at bottom off and prise the floor up, which appears not to be removable and it’s under there hey presto, we found it. Thanks so much for all your help. Why build a cupboard on top of it.