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[Pete5996]

I know you cannot drive a foreign-registered vehicle in your own country so I don't think that would be an issue. I assume passport and driving licence rules would be treated separately unless anyone knows otherwise?

 

[Ivory55]

A flight to Thailand and rent a flat or something would probably be cheaper and easier if it’s a warm winter that you want..

 

[Silver-Fox]

Hmm, wait a minute, my Nan's surname was Kelly ...

As in Ned

Maybe you’ll be arrested for crimes of the past.

Be careful how you proceed ?

 

[billym]

We're definitely thinking about Morocco for this winter. We just need to get the insurance sorted, as it appears that most companies no longer offer insurance for Morocco - We're with Safeguard and they definitely won't do it . The insurance is up next month so I'm trying Comfort.
We're also ADAC members, but it's likely that we'll lose the benefits of that too, as they only offer recovery within Germany to residents of countries outside of the EU or EEA - so no recovery from or within Morocco, or even Spain or France.
A summer trip to Romania, Croatia or Bulgaria would be lovely, but not for the winter, I think ❄

We were also told ( in an ADAC shop) the same last year but the guy could not guarantee that would be the case( if no deal etc)
Have you seen that information in writing anywhere , even better in English , if you have it?

Thanks

 

[Onemanandhisdog]

Hmm, just realised Switzerland is part of it. thought that would be a break from the schengen but apparently not.

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[zulurita]

As already said if anyone wants to stay longer than the 90 days then they just get a visa, what is difficult about that?

Well I have just read the visa requirements say for Germany. Visa costs £51 plus need lots of proof to take to an appointment for a visa, London or Manchester! The whole process seems a nightmare.

 

[Ivory55]

Well I have just read the visa requirements say for Germany. Visa costs £51 plus need lots of proof to take to an appointment for a visa, London or Manchester! The whole process seems a nightmare.

May be they don’t want us to go there, just a thought.

 

[bellabee]

billym , Yes, I've seen it. It was in the letter which all members received about 18 months ago, explaining revised terms and conditions. It was in German, but I'm a German speaker. It explained that rescue services to members resident outside of the EU or EEA, were now restricted to rescue within Germany. This caused something of a stir among Swiss members, who fell foul of this change.
There is discussion of it on the ADAC members' forum here. https://community.adac.de/frage-ansehen/adac-plus-mitgliedschaft-in-der-schweiz
It's in German, but I understand that there are various translation tools around.

 

[billym]

Thanks. My French and Spanish are good but German is non existent.
That is a bit of a pain .

 

[billym]

billym , Yes, I've seen it. It was in the letter which all members received about 18 months ago, explaining revised terms and conditions. It was in German, but I'm a German speaker. It explained that rescue services to members resident outside of the EU or EEA, were now restricted to rescue within Germany. This caused something of a stir among Swiss members, who fell foul of this change.
There is discussion of it on the ADAC members' forum here. https://community.adac.de/frage-ansehen/adac-plus-mitgliedschaft-in-der-schweiz
It's in German, but I understand that there are various translation tools around.

On 22 March this year ADAC were asked on their own forum about Plus membership being lost like the Swiss after Bx. Their reply was that if it ever happens the British members will be informed where they stand.

Sie fragen, ADAC Experten antworten

Es gibt für Mitglieder viele Möglichkeiten, sich mit dem Club auszutauschen, Fragen rund um die Mobilität zu stellen und zu diskutieren.

community.adac.de

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[bellabee]

On 22 March this year ADAC were asked on their own forum about Plus membership being lost like the Swiss after Bx. Their reply was that if it ever happens the British members will be informed where they stand.

Sie fragen, ADAC Experten antworten

Es gibt für Mitglieder viele Möglichkeiten, sich mit dem Club auszutauschen, Fragen rund um die Mobilität zu stellen und zu diskutieren.

community.adac.de

Yes, I've no doubt that we'll be told that we're in exactly the same position as the Swiss

 

[bobandjanie]

Panic not
As I said if Countries think they are going to loose out they will sort it.

EU or no EU ?

Being motorhomers and knowing how much we spend, and being a person who lives in a popular tourist resort in Spain and rents their apartment to tourists, we know who spends money.

They are on holiday for a week or two, they are paying over the odds for meals drinks taxis and so on, they are not pulling up at a campsite and saying how much then driving off.
We will still get loads of motorhomes free parking in the winter, just not English for so long, but campsites are full at the moment and that makes it easier to do it, but if the campsites have space that's where they send you.
Sad but true. Bob.

Ours is only a 2 bed apartment a villa is well over €2500 a week

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[Silver-Fox]

Being motorhomers and knowing how much we spend, and being a person who lives in a popular tourist resort in Spain and rents their apartment to tourists, we know who spends money.
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They are on holiday for a week or two, they are paying over the odds for meals drinks taxis and so on, they are not pulling up at a campsite and saying how much then driving off.
We will still get loads of motorhomes free parking in the winter, just not English for so long, but campsites are full at the moment and that makes it easier to do it, but if the campsites have space that's where they send you.
Sad but true. Bob.

Ours is only a 2 bed apartment a villa is well over €2500 a week

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Arenal beach apartment in Javea. A beautiful and conveniently located apartment in Spain in the stunning Costa Blanca region. Read about the apartment here.

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I was referring to having to get visas and the like.

 

[bobandjanie]

I was referring to having to get visas and the like.

And I was pointing out its tourists that spend the money, especially the ones there for a week or two that do not need a Visa.
Once you go from being on holiday to living somewhere else, you do it on a budget and normally in the off peak because otherwise it costs a fortune and then you can eat out and so on because the demand is less so it's cheaper.
Bob.

 

[Loveshack]

So basically, in order to take 2 x 90 day trips in a 12 month period you need to be outside the Schengen area for at least 90 days (inbetween the 2 trips).

I thought that was how it would work, is it more complicated?
And if we are out, without a deal, does Schengen matter?

We’re unlikely to achieve 90 days away in any case, so two 90 day periods in 360 just isn’t going to happen.
I’m more concerned that the pound’s value will make it difficult to afford even our current 6 week trips.
And the value of the pound against other currencies will make travel much more difficult anyway.

Retirement was going so well!

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[Razamataz]

I am watching this thread with great interest..........and just a wee bit of stress.!!!!!
There are a lot of opinions.....!!!!
Jan 2019-----to Mid April 2019 I toured Spain over 100 days.First time touring Spain...loved it so MUCH I booked 29 Dec ---21 April 2020 ....112days.
Can anybody give a definative answer.
As to my winter break may Need to be altered?
It seems strange to me that, if we are curtailed to only 90 days, that Brittany Ferries did Not advise!

 

[Silver-Fox]

And I was pointing out its tourists that spend the money, especially the ones there for a week or two that do not need a Visa.

So there will be free movement and no need for a pass if you’re there for only a week or two then?

 

[jumartoo]

I am watching this thread with great interest..........and just a wee bit of stress.!!!!!
There are a lot of opinions.....!!!!
Jan 2019-----to Mid April 2019 I toured Spain over 100 days.First time touring Spain...loved it so MUCH I booked 29 Dec ---21 April 2020 ....112days.
Can anybody give a definative answer.
As to my winter break may Need to be altered?
It seems strange to me that, if we are curtailed to only 90 days, that Brittany Ferries did Not advise!

No-one can give any advice until after 31 October.

Once the position then is finalised, regulations will be put into place if necessary.

So there will be free movement and no need for a pass if you’re there for only a week or two then?

Free movement without a Visa for up to 90 days.

 

[Flamenca]

I am watching this thread with great interest..........and just a wee bit of stress.!!!!!
There are a lot of opinions.....!!!!
Jan 2019-----to Mid April 2019 I toured Spain over 100 days.First time touring Spain...loved it so MUCH I booked 29 Dec ---21 April 2020 ....112days.
Can anybody give a definative answer.
As to my winter break may Need to be altered?
It seems strange to me that, if we are curtailed to only 90 days, that Brittany Ferries did Not advise!

I believe the ETIAS system does not come into effect until 2021 so if we remain in EU but not in Schengen no immediate worry. If we do leave the EU then UK will rely on a deal with the EU as we will be a 'third country'.

 

[DBK]

I am watching this thread with great interest..........and just a wee bit of stress.!!!!!
There are a lot of opinions.....!!!!
Jan 2019-----to Mid April 2019 I toured Spain over 100 days.First time touring Spain...loved it so MUCH I booked 29 Dec ---21 April 2020 ....112days.
Can anybody give a definative answer.
As to my winter break may Need to be altered?
It seems strange to me that, if we are curtailed to only 90 days, that Brittany Ferries did Not advise!

It's free to alter Brittany Ferries bookings if you do it on line, but I wouldn't worry at the moment. Plenty of time to do it after 31 October, and you may not even have to bother.

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[AXO66]

Could a Northern Irish born person, fully domiciled in England for many years and holding both UK and Eire passports travel visa free in Europe after B in a UK registered vehicle freely?

Yes, i think so. Reckon they maintain full EU rights for free movement, work and education. I don't think it matters what vehicle you have.as you in effect have duel nationality . So uk citizens in NI have more rights than other uk citizens....hmmm..

 

[nicholsong]

Yes, i think so. Reckon they maintain full EU rights for free movement, work and education. I don't think it matters what vehicle you have.as you in effect have duel nationality . So uk citizens in NI have more rights than other uk citizens....hmmm..

Furthermore the vehicle has more right than the citizen of whatever country as it can stay longer than 90 days without re-registration.

 

[Razamataz]

@jumartoo,Flamenca ,DBK
Thanks for your replies,all my fingers and toes are crossed ?

 

[Purple2]

 

[Purple2]

Re the above I was trying to show that individual countries set length of visas, the UK does 6 months for SELECTED countries as does NZ for example in a previous reply. That is difficult in the Schengen area as each country has to abide by the wishes of the EU which is currently 90 days. The UK is not in the Schengen so didn’t have to. Non EU nationals only get 90 days unless you have a student visa, work one, so much money it doesn’t matter type visa( which is how Marbella was created in early 70s before EU existed) or the non lucrative type ie pensioner with fairly good independent income eg in Spain 2600 euros a month. Before EU, although very, very few were able to do it, it was possible to ‘country hop’ in Europe for 90 days at a time. Small irony there.
The best way to see what we will be able to do is go on a website like Canada and see what they can do at present if they want to visit the Schengen area. As for an ‘arrangement’, if we leave with no deal the clues in the title. Part of the ‘vote’, even with a deal was to end free travel in UK, now sauce for the gander I’m afraid.

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[moulin 87]

Can anyone really see the likes of Italy, France and Spain stopping the Brits from staying longer than 90 days.

I can visit N Z for six months without a problem.

Storm in a tea cup being stirred up again ?

In France in particular but perhaps it is the same throughout the EU they are very keen about how the UK will treat their citizens. Reciprocity is a fundamental element built into French law relating to Brexit. ie You mess with our citizens, we'll mess with yours. So the new Home Secretary has hardened the approach to Freedom of Movement from 31st October so the French and no doubt the EU, (Spain & Italy) will reciprocate to Brits entering the EU. IF the UK enforce a 90 day limit so will the EU etc,etc.

 

[Purple2]

With you there. Foolishly people think that 50 thousand Brit motorhomers are going to influence the 550 million people in the EU. In order for one country to allow us to stay for more than 90 days the WHOLE of the Schengen area has to agree otherwise we become their illegal immigrants, one of the things the vote was cast for here. The notion that people in numbers from the EU come here on holiday for more than 90 days is fanciful. People are confusing the EU people here that work in great numbers with those that want to do what we do in the Winter sun of S Europe.

 

[Silver-Fox]

With you there. Foolishly people think that 50 thousand Brit motorhomers are going to influence the 550 million people in the EU

It’s not about a few Motorhomes though.
Spain relies on lots of Brits long term over Winter

 

[Purple2]

You may be right BUT Spain have to convince the rest of the EU to let us then travel round the rest of the EU when and where we want to because there are no borders. Also we have the mistaken belief that we are the biggest group of ex pats in the EU. It’s actually Moroccans and Romanians.

 

[moulin 87]

With you there. Foolishly people think that 50 thousand Brit motorhomers are going to influence the 550 million people in the EU. In order for one country to allow us to stay for more than 90 days the WHOLE of the Schengen area has to agree otherwise we become their illegal immigrants, one of the things the vote was cast for here. The notion that people in numbers from the EU come here on holiday for more than 90 days is fanciful. People are confusing the EU people here that work in great numbers with those that want to do what we do in the Winter sun of S Europe.

50000!! perhaps 5000 at most..

It’s not about a few Motorhomes though.
Spain relies on lots of Brits long term over Winter

There are a few British owned bars RELIANT on British long term tourists, for Spain as a whole they provide a tiny element to the economy. I'm sure if the Brits reduced in number they would be replaced by other EU tourists glad the Brits have stayed at home!!!!!

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