Latest HM Government on Spain Visas

[Silver-Fox]

See my post further up the page. As it stands at present, the €7 visa-waiver will be for trips up to 90 days - you might even need one for a booze cruise - anything over 90 days will require a full visa, as far as I can see.

I blame the utter incompetence and inadequacy of the UK govt - they couldn't organise a p-u on a booze cruise at present and, as for keeping their population informed as to what the hell they've got in store for us - well, I give up....

Panic not
As I said if Countries think they are going to loose out they will sort it.

EU or no EU ?

 

[Tykatem]

B***** - the gift that keeps on giving.....

ETIAS and Brexit are coincidental: ETIAS is not a consequence of Brexit.

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Pete

 

[Richard Birkett]

Panic not
As I said if Countries think they are going to loose out they will sort it.

EU or no EU ?

Oh ignorance is bliss!!!

Richard

 

[Pete5996]

Panic not
As I said if Countries think they are going to loose out they will sort it.

EU or no EU ?

I don't need to panic - nor stock up my food supplies

The thing is, in the eyes of the EU it's not just Dover or even the NI border at stake. If they capitulate on border controls there, they'll have problems elsewhere, so I'm not sure they are going to yield that easily. There's a lot more of them than us, don't forget.

Baling out into the unknown isn't a plan, it's utterly irresponsible...

 

[Pete5996]

ETIAS and Brexit are coincidental: ETIAS is not a consequence of Brexit.

Agreed - but it couldn't be looming at a worse time!

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[Silver-Fox]

Oh ignorance is bliss!!!

Richard

And money talks ?

But not to you it would seem ?

 

[Silver-Fox]

I don't need to panic - nor stock up my food supplies

The thing is, in the eyes of the EU it's not just Dover or even the NI border at stake. If they capitulate on border controls there, they'll have problems elsewhere, so I'm not sure they are going to yield that easily. There's a lot more of them than us, don't forget.

Baling out into the unknown isn't a plan, it's utterly irresponsible...

They’ve already capitulated on borders or did you miss what’s happening in places where migrants are invading ?

As I said money talks and Countries will do what they have to in order to keep their economies going.
Along with ultimately keeping their politicians in power.

 

[Pete5996]

They’ve already capitulated on borders or did you miss what’s happening in places where migrants are invading ?

As I said money talks and Countries will do what they have to in order to keep their economies going.
Along with ultimately keeping their politicians in power.

Well, the UK capitulated on its borders a good few years ago, so no change there.

I sincerely hope you're right as it's in no-one's interest for the UK to go t*ts-up. When the economy tanks, we're all in for a kicking...

 

[Silver-Fox]

Well, the UK capitulated on its borders a good few years ago, so no change there.

I sincerely hope you're right as it's in no-one's interest for the UK to go t*ts-up. When the economy tanks, we're all in for a kicking...

It’s not in any Countries interest to be an ass.
Unfortunately the those at the top in the EU want to preserve their ivory tower.

Time will tell though

 

[spitfire]

They’ve already capitulated on borders or did you miss what’s happening in places where migrants are invading ?

As I said money talks and Countries will do what they have to in order to keep their economies going.
Along with ultimately keeping their politicians in power.

I am astounded that Brits with Motorhomes think they are the only ones boosting the EU economies . There is more money from other nationalités as they tend to use hotels , restaurants , hire cars etc

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[Silver-Fox]

I am astounded that Brits with Motorhomes think they are the only ones boosting the EU economies . There is more money from other nationalités as they tend to use hotels , restaurants , hire cars etc

Plenty of long stayers propping up local economies in Spain staying in Hotels and the like.

 

[Rob Hammond]

£6 squid ,that’s me stumped then

 

[Richard Birkett]

And money talks ?

But not to you it would seem ?

Money does indeed talk but obviously not as loud as baseless assertions.

Richard

 

[Silver-Fox]

Money does indeed talk but obviously not as loud as baseless assertions.

Richard

Time will tell will it not.

 

[Emmit]

Can we go back to the crunch of the OP.

For obvious reasons I won't give my dates of travel but suffice to say that in the near future I am away in the Schengen area for a period VERY close to the maximum.
Assuming at the end of my period in the areaI leave the area and do not return for 90 days, then there is no problem.
This is what the Schengen Calculator says.
"The 180-day period keeps rolling. Therefore, anytime you wish to enter the Schengen, you just have to count backwards the last 180 days, and see if you have been present in the Schengen for more than 90 days throughout that period."

So for every day I'm in the area on the second occasion, a day drops off the calculation from the front end of the first occasion I visited.

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[AXO66]

See my post further up the page. As it stands at present, the €7 visa-waiver will be for trips up to 90 days - you might even need one for a booze cruise - anything over 90 days will require a full visa, as far as I can see.

I blame the utter incompetence and inadequacy of the UK govt - they couldn't organise a p-u on a booze cruise at present and, as for keeping their population informed as to what the hell they've got in store for us - well, I give up....

Only visa’s I have heard about are for education or for work. Haven’t heard about an extended tourist visa......hope there is one, but ........


These visa and rule about who can enter the EU have all been agreed by our government when we (are ) were a member.

 

[spitfire]

Can we go back to the crunch of the OP.

For obvious reasons I won't give my dates of travel but suffice to say that in the near future I am away in the Schengen area for a period VERY close to the maximum.
Assuming at the end of my period in the areaI leave the area and do not return for 90 days, then there is no problem.
This is what the Schengen Calculator says.
"The 180-day period keeps rolling. Therefore, anytime you wish to enter the Schengen, you just have to count backwards the last 180 days, and see if you have been present in the Schengen for more than 90 days throughout that period."

So for every day I'm in the area on the second occasion, a day drops off the calculation from the front end of the first occasion I visited.

My understanding is 90 days in then 180 before you can return but may well be wrong

 

[Emmit]

It's 90 days in 180 days, not 90 days in then 180 days out.

 

[gus-lopez]

There is a sentence in there which if correct is something unexpected:

"Visits to the within the previous 180 days before your date of travel will count against the 90-day limit. "

I had assumed if you visited for say 90 days then returned to the UK for 90 days you could then return for another 90 days. The sentence above suggests this is not correct and you have to be outside the Schengen area for 180 days before you can return for a stay of 90 days. I hope I am wrong on this interpretation.

Of course if we can get a visa for longer stays that will be fine but I haven't found much on how to apply and to who.

My understandin was that after 90 days you had to leave compelety for a 180 day period. How it got modified to a rolling 180 I've no idea. It would appear that they are proposing to return to the former ?

Doesn't that mean 90 days out then 270 days in. I am confused!

No

Morocco is looking more and more appealing. Haha

As long as you can get there

It seems there will be a plan for a visa waiver scheme for UK citizens. From a BBC web page:

However, British people will need to apply for - and buy - a visa waiver to travel to member states after Brexit whether there's a deal or not.

The ETIAS (European Travel Information and Authorisation System), which will cost €7 (£6.30) and be valid for three years, won't come into force until 2021 though. It's not just for the UK but many non-EU countries.

In a no-deal situation, the European Commission has proposed that you won't need a visa for short stays in the EU. Visitors would be able to stay for up to 90 days out of any 180-day period, the government has said. You might need a visa before travel if you intend to stay in the Schengen area for more than 90 days though out of that 180-day period.

That'll take care of most UK tourists, of course, but anyone planning to over-winter in Spain or Portugal might find it a lot more difficult.

B***** - the gift that keeps on giving.....

That was the rules assuming a deal .without it they aren't correct.

Romania , Croatia , Bulgaria and Morocco

Who might not be in schengen but are in the EU so will have to follow the dictat the same as the swiss have to even without being in the EU or eea.

My understanding is 90 days in then 180 before you can return but may well be wrong

As above .That is what it always used to be.

 

[Richard Birkett]

As above .That is what it always used to be.

It is indeed but the big difference is that when it used to be like that, there weren’t so many people wishing to over winter in Spain or go on extended tours of Europe.
Richard

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[tacr2man]

Who might not be in schengen but are in the EU so will have to follow the dictat the same as the swiss have to even without being in the EU or eea.

As above .That is what it always used to be.

Travel to EU countries currently outside the Schengen area (Romania, Croatia, Bulgaria, Cyprus) would not count towards the 90-day total. From UK gov website !

 

[bellabee]

Looks like less time and less money spent in Schengen countries then and a boom for Romania , Croatia , Bulgaria and Morocco

We're definitely thinking about Morocco for this winter. We just need to get the insurance sorted, as it appears that most companies no longer offer insurance for Morocco - We're with Safeguard and they definitely won't do it . The insurance is up next month so I'm trying Comfort.
We're also ADAC members, but it's likely that we'll lose the benefits of that too, as they only offer recovery within Germany to residents of countries outside of the EU or EEA - so no recovery from or within Morocco, or even Spain or France.
A summer trip to Romania, Croatia or Bulgaria would be lovely, but not for the winter, I think ❄

 

[Onemanandhisdog]

"90/180 Schengen Visa Rule
The 180-day period keeps rolling. Therefore, anytime you wish to enter the Schengen, you just have to count backwards the last 180 days, and see if you have been present in the Schengen for more than 90 days throughout that period."

 

[nicholsong]

Do people realise that the 90 in 180 days rule applies to any EU passport holder in respect of visits to each and every other Shengen country, but cannot be enforced because there are no border checks between them and therefore no records of dates of entry to and stay within a particular country.

So the only difference between the 90/180 rule for a UK resident is the border control and recording of date of entry when enterng the Schengen Area, thus enabling the system to calculate compliance or breach of the rule.

Geoff

 

[The Dotties]

Could a Northern Irish born person, fully domiciled in England for many years and holding both UK and Eire passports travel visa free in Europe after B in a UK registered vehicle freely?

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[Onemanandhisdog]

Could a Northern Irish born person, fully domiciled in England for many years and holding both UK and Eire passports travel visa free in Europe after B in a UK registered vehicle freely?

Yes, there was a rush of people with Irish grandparent etc to get dual passports when it all kicked off. Hmm, wait a minute, my Nan's surname was Kelly .......

 

[Pete5996]

Could a Northern Irish born person, fully domiciled in England for many years and holding both UK and Eire passports travel visa free in Europe after B in a UK registered vehicle freely?

You'll retain full freedom of movement as an EU citizen thanks to the Eire passport. As far as the UK registered vehicle is concerned, that will depend on what controls are finally decided upon and put in place.

 

[gus-lopez]

Travel to EU countries currently outside the Schengen area (Romania, Croatia, Bulgaria, Cyprus) would not count towards the 90-day total. From UK gov website !

Yes but the UK isn't in schengen but the 90 day & then you are a resident still applied to them. Just because it is on the gov.uk site doesn't mean they have a clue about the rules.They don't.

Could a Northern Irish born person, fully domiciled in England for many years and holding both UK and Eire passports travel visa free in Europe after B in a UK registered vehicle freely?

Ye .Only problem would be ensuring you can prove that you are entitled to be driving the UK vehicle .

 

[Wagoneer]

"90/180 Schengen Visa Rule
The 180-day period keeps rolling. Therefore, anytime you wish to enter the Schengen, you just have to count backwards the last 180 days, and see if you have been present in the Schengen for more than 90 days throughout that period."

So basically, in order to take 2 x 90 day trips in a 12 month period you need to be outside the Schengen area for at least 90 days (inbetween the 2 trips).

This year I took a 65 day Spring trip returning 27th June. I could take a further 25 day trip (say, commencing early September) and comply with the 90/180 day Schengen rules. My normal Autumn trip is about 40 days. However, if I wished to take more than 25 days, I would need to delay my departure till the 25th September in order to be outside the Schengen zone for a continuous period of 90 days.

Next year, if this all kicks off, I'll be returning from my Spring trip early June so that my Autumn trip can commence early September.

 

[tacr2man]

You'll retain full freedom of movement as an EU citizen thanks to the Eire passport. As far as the UK registered vehicle is concerned, that will depend on what controls are finally decided upon and put in place.

There is a problem with Eire passport holders driving a UK reg vehicle even in Eire now before B its been featured on Border Force program so a tricky one it would seem ?

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