KIA e NIRO ARRIVED

DJL220 said:
I've just taken the plunge and ordered a full EV company car, I'm looking forward to the tax saving and the smiles per mile. Yours is an interesting thread. I think more and more people will head down the PHEV or EV over the next few years.
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Go on, tell us mire, what have you ordered?
 
WillH said:
Please keep us informed as to how you get on, interesting so far. We have considered but rejected an EV given our fairly remote rural location. Also, one of our sons lives in France and it's an 800 mile trip. He is certainly going EV with his next car as he lives in a city but just laughed when I said I was thinking of one. He's a Physicist so understands everything about them and he's usually right, smart bugger is that one!
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I believe that the planets were completely aligned for me to dip my toe in the EV experience, in no particular order:
  • I will retire in less than 3 years, so a BIK-free car with free charging ( 1% next year and 2% the year after) had a massive appeal
  • i very rarely travel more than 100 miles in a day
  • Work is 6 miles away
  • Free charge at Asda is 1 mile away
  • Home location is edge of town/close to rural
Not many reasons to NOT do it
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I`m Waiting for my Steam Car.:unsure:
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Slightly "off topic". but the latest update for Tom Tom sat nags, adds a shed load of Charging points. I took them off as they are no use (to me), but worth knowing?.

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The asda chargers are only 7kw, so even if you can get an hours charge, will only save you about 60p, the main benefit being the spaces are normally bigger and they are closer to the store.
 
We looked at the e niro but we are thinking of getting the Hyundai kona full ev, same battery and motors etc just prefer the kona, shape etc all personal preference both very nice to drive and quick

I was thinking of a Tesla model 3 so hired one for a day wow it was quick BUT the build quality in my opinion was not very good at so i went to Tesla main hand over depot in Birmingham to look at dozens of model 3 cars to check the build quality and sadly they were all the same just not good enough in my eyes
 
Lanerboy said:
We looked at the e niro but we are thinking of getting the Hyundai kona full ev, same battery and motors etc just prefer the kona, shape etc all personal preference both very nice to drive and quick

I was thinking of a Tesla model 3 so hired one for a day wow it was quick BUT the build quality in my opinion was not very good at so i went to Tesla main hand over depot in Birmingham to look at dozens of model 3 cars to check the build quality and sadly they were all the same just not good enough in my eyes
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The Niro and Kona are basically the same ,mechanically, just a different body, the Kona looks a bit funkier, but is smaller inside, on the forums, Tesla seem to have numerous build issues- paint work/panel gaps/misting rear lights, nothing too serious, but not what you would expect of a £40-60k car. It seems to be Tesla owners are blind to their faults.
 
Wh05apk said:
The Niro and Kona are basically the same ,mechanically, just a different body, the Kona looks a bit funkier, but is smaller inside, on the forums, Tesla seem to have numerous build issues- paint work/panel gaps/misting rear lights, nothing too serious, but not what you would expect of a £40-60k car. It seems to be Tesla owners are blind to their faults.
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That is exactly my thoughts 👍
 
WillH said:
lives in France and it's an 800 mile trip.
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Take a look at https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ I did a trip from Taunton to Verona (Italy) and back to pick up some delicate equipment. The charging did add to the journey time, but was easier than anticipated. That was in a model S with 220 miles range.

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I`m far to impatient, to sit around in Motorway services waiting for a re-charge. My attitude is get in get filled up, pee, and get back on the road. Except when in the `van, then I would be looking for Non Motorway routes with lots of stops and scenery!.
 
Camdoon said:
How long have you left it unused? It would be interesting to know how it got on if left untouched for 3 months if you went on holiday (either plugged in or not).
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I came back from France a week ago after 4 months. I left my Mitsubishi Phev in the vans storage spot while gone.....Car was dead as a dodo, on the bright side it did the battery a world of good, I now get an extra 10 miles of leccy distance.
 
PeteH said:
I`m far to impatient, to sit around in Motorway services waiting for a re-charge. My attitude is get in get filled up, pee, and get back on the road. Except when in the `van, then I would be looking for Non Motorway routes with lots of stops and scenery!.
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All depends how far you are going, I am impatient, often on the way to appointments, unlike a petrol or diesel car, there is no need to fill to 100%, so I can stop off somewhere, put on charge, come back after 20 minutes, and that will give me more than enough to get home. Realistically, the number of days I need more than "00-250 miles range in a day is very limited, if you are doing lots of long days like that, then an electric car would save you a fortune - over 250 miles you would probably save £25 in fuel costs at least, for that, I would sit around for 20 minutes or so.
 
Hi
Cheshirecat57 said:
Have you tested the new Zoe.?
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Hi no, I was booked in at the end of March for an extended test drive (take away for a whole day) and at that time was minded to order the top of the range model, however, lockdown put the kybwash on that plan. Since then I have reassessed my priorities and have decided to stick with the present vehicle as there is nothing wrong with it and it does all I need. I came to the view that I did not need to spend circa £15k on top of my p/x to get another vehicle, so instead went and spent some of the money on a new wood lathe :giggle: .
 
Lanerboy said:
We looked at the e niro but we are thinking of getting the Hyundai kona full ev, same battery and motors etc just prefer the kona, shape etc all personal preference both very nice to drive and quick

I was thinking of a Tesla model 3 so hired one for a day wow it was quick BUT the build quality in my opinion was not very good at so i went to Tesla main hand over depot in Birmingham to look at dozens of model 3 cars to check the build quality and sadly they were all the same just not good enough in my eyes
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Kona a good car- effectively ( mechanically) the same as a eNiro
However the boot put me off, about 25% smaller on the Kona, make sure you check that out ( if you havent allready )
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Wh05apk said:
All depends how far you are going, I am impatient, often on the way to appointments, unlike a petrol or diesel car, there is no need to fill to 100%, so I can stop off somewhere, put on charge, come back after 20 minutes, and that will give me more than enough to get home. Realistically, the number of days I need more than "00-250 miles range in a day is very limited, if you are doing lots of long days like that, then an electric car would save you a fortune - over 250 miles you would probably save £25 in fuel costs at least, for that, I would sit around for 20 minutes or so.
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You are dead right ( but the company pays for the charging (y) so slightly different tick-list)
 
I'd be interested in the real range :)

and the payload - and if it could be wheelchair adapted.

Nowhere to charge it near my parent's house so ideally I would need to be able to do 220 miles up and down hills in the middle of the winter to make it viable.
 
Puddleduck said:
I'd be interested in the real range :)

and the payload - and if it could be wheelchair adapted.

Nowhere to charge it near my parent's house so ideally I would need to be able to do 220 miles up and down hills in the middle of the winter to make it viable.
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Real Range is as above- 268 miles
As regards wheelchair adaption with the huge battery under the floor, probably not worth your effort for a relatively small gain

Remember the real "driver" for me is that as a company car, its FREE to me with no Inland Revenue charge and it's the company's electric
 
Cheshirecat57 said:
Real Range is as above- 268 miles
As regards wheelchair adaption with the huge battery under the floor, probably not worth your effort for a relatively small gain

Remember the real "driver" for me is that as a company car, its FREE to me with no Inland Revenue charge and it's the company's electric
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268 miles probably touch and go to be honest (110 miles to parents, to the GP and then pharmacy and back to their place - nowhere to recharge and not enough time as they go in and out of appointments - and they refuse to wait) ......... no possibility of an electric wheelchair ramp means it's a not really feasible.

Will be dirty diesel for us for a while :(
 
A genuine question, what happens to the range in winter when you want the heater, heated screens, fan and lights on?

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As an employee who is provided with a company car I am very interested in the eNiro providing it could be tax advantageous to me.
I am fleeced by the tax man by having what is effectively a works vehicle on my drive that I dont need for personal use.
As far as I understand the tax benefits of an electric car are to my employer arent they? I still get taxed as per, but with a slight reduction because its not a diesel?
The other issue raised by my boss is how I get recompensed for using my electricity at night to charge it.
I think this could reduce my employers fuel bill and I would like to build a financial case to them to consider an EV.
 
We love our Nissan las - range is a bit of a problem at 150 miles but we have a gas guzzling V8 for that. The Leaf is used 90% of the time and will be upgrading it when their newer model (Aryana??) comes out next year to get a 300 mile range.

As well as being inordinately cheap to run we get free parking in York car parks and plenty fo free charging round and about. What's not to like?
 
Twincam Escort said:
As an employee who is provided with a company car I am very interested in the eNiro providing it could be tax advantageous to me.
I am fleeced by the tax man by having what is effectively a works vehicle on my drive that I dont need for personal use.
As far as I understand the tax benefits of an electric car are to my employer arent they? I still get taxed as per, but with a slight reduction because its not a diesel?
The other issue raised by my boss is how I get recompensed for using my electricity at night to charge it.
I think this could reduce my employers fuel bill and I would like to build a financial case to them to consider an EV.
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Basically the benefit in kind BIK is 0% this year 1% next year and 2% the following year. This means that all you pay to lease the car is the basic lease cost that you can pay before tax. So effectively you are saving 40% of the lease cost assuming you are a higher rate tax payer and if your company is paying the lease directly you will only pay a small amount of tax each month from next year.
 
Twincam Escort said:
As an employee who is provided with a company car I am very interested in the eNiro providing it could be tax advantageous to me.
I am fleeced by the tax man by having what is effectively a works vehicle on my drive that I dont need for personal use.
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BIK is not related to the lease cost, it is calculated as a percentage of P11d price ( which is list price without taking any discount and with all extras included, but excluding road fund licence)
The percentage is a function of emissions with a further levy on Diesels

The eNiro has a list price of circa £38000
The emissions are 0g so this year BIK is 0% so no tax to pay
Next year it is 1% , so you pay tax on £38000 x 1% =£380. As a 40% tax payer that’s £152 a year payable

As a generic example, a 2 litre Diesel will be circa 120g so have a BIK rate this year of 30%
So a £38000 diesel as such you would pay tax on £38000 x 30% = £11400 ! So the same 40% tax payer would be liable to pay £4560 a year ......ouch

Plug-in Hybrids (PHEV) go half way towards low personal tax, but IF the leap to full electric matches your lifestyle, you can see the attraction

As for reclaiming home-charging from employer, this is a real grey area at present and would vary from employer to employer
HMRC are dragging their feet ( hands up if you are not surprised) with any direction
For example, they are yet to recognise “electricity” as a Fuel.......hence the grey

Just charge it at work

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Cheshirecat57 said:
BIK is not related to the lease cost, it is calculated as a percentage of P11d price ( which is list price without taking any discount and with all extras included, but excluding road fund licence)
The percentage is a function of emissions with a further levy on Diesels

The eNiro has a list price of circa £38000
The emissions are 0g so this year BIK is 0% so no tax to pay
Next year it is 1% , so you pay tax on £38000 x 1% =£380. As a 40% tax payer that’s £152 a year payable

As a generic example, a 2 litre Diesel will be circa 120g so have a BIK rate this year of 30%
So a £38000 diesel as such you would pay tax on £38000 x 30% = £11400 ! So the same 40% tax payer would be liable to pay £4560 a year ......ouch

Plug-in Hybrids (PHEV) go half way towards low personal tax, but IF the leap to full electric matches your lifestyle, you can see the attraction

As for reclaiming home-charging from employer, this is a real grey area at present and would vary from employer to employer
HMRC are dragging their feet ( hands up if you are not surprised) with any direction
For example, they are yet to recognise “electricity” as a Fuel.......hence the grey

Just charge it at work
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Wow thats very interesting thanks.
Yes it is ouch because thats not far off what I'm paying for my Skoda Superb.
If it was my only family vehicle it would easier to accept, but I see it as a tool for my job.
I work from home so never visit the office, which is 120 miles away.
I dont think my customers are ready yet for letting me plug in and use their power.
However I rarely drive more than 100 miles a day so shouldnt need to.
I wonder if I could use an allowance to purchase one myself and claim the running costs as an expense?
 
On a slight tangent, I am considering a new Mk 4 Honda Jazz hybrid.

My understanding is this is basically an EV with a petrol engine that charges the battery in hybrid mode. At motorway speeds the petrol engine mode becomes direct drive yet it should still do 60 mpg.

Seems like the best of both worlds. Thoughts?
 
For those people who charge their EV at home, do you have a dedicated fast charging point? I ask because the layout of my property means it would be devilishly difficult to install one.
 
Beltie said:
For those people who charge their EV at home, do you have a dedicated fast charging point? I ask because the layout of my property means it would be devilishly difficult to install one.
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I have a 7kw charger installed, realistically you will need one at home, otherwise you will have to keep going out to charge, which you will soon find frustrating. I just plug in when I get home, and it charges overnight at cheap rate meaning every morning I have a full battery - just as you would with a mobile phone.
 
Beltie said:
For those people who charge their EV at home, do you have a dedicated fast charging point? I ask because the layout of my property means it would be devilishly difficult to install one.
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Interested, in whar way “difficult”?

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