Keep left when not overtaking!

chaser said:
Right, if I am the only one in the middle lane and lorry's in lane one I am doing 70, have I got to keep weaving in and out, just because I am supposed to be in the left lane.
Sounds crackers to me.
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Middle lane hoggers like to use emotive language like weaving. If that’s how they perform a lane change then perhaps it’s time to introduce CPD for licence holders.

Ian
 
chaser said:
Right, if I am the only one in the middle lane and lorry's in lane one I am doing 70, have I got to keep weaving in and out, just because I am supposed to be in the left lane.
Sounds crackers to me.
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The advice from Traffic Officers is if you will be overtaking another vehicle within 3 to 5 seconds, I think I saw, stay in Lane two.

Otherwise set left 😊
 
bigtwin said:
Middle lane hoggers like to use emotive language like weaving. If that’s how they perform a lane change then perhaps it’s time to introduce CPD for licence holders.

Ian
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What do you call it?

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St3v3 said:
Whatever you need to justify your poor driving to yourself.
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What do you know about my driving?
I was probably driving on the m6 before you were born.
 
chaser said:
What do you call it?
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Weaving is weaving and has no place on the roads. Overtaking requires a planned considered move to change from one lane to another.

Which approach do you take with your overtakes?

Ian
 
bigtwin said:
Weaving is weaving and has no place on the roads. Overtaking requires a planned considered move to change from one lane to another.

Which approach do you take with your overtakes?

Ian
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I stay in lane 3 out of the road (y) :giggle:
 
Just an aside to this , do you all remember the horrendous pileups they had on the motorways in the fog in the sixties.
I used to work in building and we had a driver on the waggons who had been trunking all his working life and he used to tell the story of being in one of these pileups sitting on top of his load while vehicles were crashing into the carnage all night, he never went on a moterway ever again.

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chaser said:
Just an aside to this , do you all remember the horrendous pileups they had on the motorways in the fog in the sixties.
I used to work in building and we had a driver on the waggons who had been trunking all his working life and he used to tell the story of being in one of these pileups sitting on top of his load while vehicles were crashing into the carnage all night, he never went on a moterway ever again.
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That sounds horrendous. Can't blame him.
 
drpeej said:
I am not a lane 2 hogger but can someone explain to me why it is wrong to drive at the speed limit in lane 2 (or 3). The only people it will inconvenience are those who want to break the speed limit.
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I regularly have to pull into lane 3 or 4 to overtake drivers in lanes 2 or 3 travelling at 64mph or similar; they appear to be driving at the 70mph limit shown on their speedo, not the actual speed that a GPS would show them at. It is particularly frustrating when they do this while land 1 is empty or almost empty.

In addition to having the issue of middle lane hoggers, why do some folk insist on sitting on one's exhaust whilst we're overtaking other vehicles? The understanding of safe stopping distances seem to have gone out of the window and there appear to be a wide range of tw@s who think that they can intimidate drivers ahead of them to pull into to non-existant gaps in the traffic by driving as close to them as possible.
 
If you want to see or be part of really good driving try India, Pakistan, Nepal etc etc. I have driven many many 1,000s of Ks in those country's and trust me............it's a challenge................................(and to me fun)
 
Mixyblob said:
If your truck is only half a mile an hour faster than the one in front of you, it begs the question, why bother overtaking?
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Because unlike most of us who are on Holiday, they are working and are on a limited amount of time. (Tachograph Rules). Overtaking the truck in front could save them 5 or 10 mins over a 9hr journey, the difference between getting to the next Services or not.
Personally, as an HGV driver, when I see a Truck has gained on me over the last few miles, I just back the Cruise Control off a couple of MPH, let him/her pass quickly and then hit Resume. The truth is that most of these kinds of issues is just about being considerate.
 
Perhaps we should take a lesson from some mainland Europe countries - allow passing in any lane, and concentrate on educating people about the danger of driving too closely to the vehicle in front instead. Of course there are some places (Italy for example) where the they do the first, and ignore the second. With unsurprising results.

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I met a motorway traffic officer at a party a few years ago so I asked him his views. Interestingly he said that if there was a situation where (which does happen) you are travelling at the same speed as the hogger in lane 2 and you are in lane 1, and the lane 2 driver gradually slows down for some reason (inattention to his speed) and it is not safe in your opinion to pull back further and then overtake them, maintaining your own speed and thus undertaking them is in theory wrong, but looking at the two offences committed he would always pull over the lane 2 driver “for a word” rather than the lane 1 driver who undertook.

I also wonder at times if some of the lane 2 hoggers have taken a UK driving test. Perhaps they were trained differently? That said, I do hope you get motorway awareness training as part of the UK test these days. My test was a very long time ago.

I would very much like to see “keep left unless overtaking” signs. If they can have the “don’t drive tired - take a break” signs, why not ones for lane discipline?

They must have changed the penalties in France a few years ago for drivers not returning to lane after overtaking on the motorways, and now when we drive through France the drivers all seem very anxious to return to lane 1. Does anyone know what changes they implemented there that make the French drivers so scared of remaining out?
 
Kannon Fodda said:
What gets me more than a simple middle lane hogger travelling at a constant speed are the ones who's speed seems extremely variable, they get past you, loose speed so now you are having to slow or you'll undertake, then they might pick up a bit of speed, but they'll loose it again. It's very obvious when you have set your own speed limiter / cruise control so your speed is constant at say 65mph and no reason why the mid lane hogger had to slow as the road was clear.

In many busy areas in the UK, where there are these unsmart lane controls you will get signage to avoid changing lanes due to congestion. That is almost an encouragement for undertaking, and lane hogging, which increases lane indiscipline in the less congested areas.
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The ones that get me are those travelling at a constant speed so you change lane to overtake them-so they speed up to try to stop you-once you are past them they go back to their original speed……what’s that all about??
 
Stoosal said:
Overtaking should, in normal traffic, only be done by passing the vehicle ahead to its offside. In slow moving traffic, in lanes, vehicles can overtake on the nearside if the vehicles are moving slowly. This mainly applies to town type traffic or where motorway traffic is at stop/start type flows. I can’t imagine a scenario where people travelling at motorway speed limits think its safe to undertake vehicles. Just because a motorway has lanes does not mean that you can undertake vehicles if they are travelling slower than you or because they are sitting in lane 2!
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So if someone is sitting in lane 2 at say 55mph and I am towing a trailer but doing 60mph because that is my speed limit what am I to do? I am not allowed in the third lane, undertaking is illegal too-so am I just stuck behind the pillock? I have had this scenario on an empty motorway, I was in lane 1 so could have stayed in it and just cruised past-I indicated, pulled into lane 3 (illegal I know) overtook, indicated and returned to lane 1. The pillock continued at 55mph in lane 2 for bloody miles…….
 
bigtwin said:
Middle lane hoggers like to use emotive language like weaving. If that’s how they perform a lane change then perhaps it’s time to introduce CPD for licence holders.

Ian
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My other half says ‘veer left’ , I keep telling her I’m not ‘veering’ anywhere!

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There are some terrible drivers out there, but we still have one of the safest road networks in the World.
We are 2nd on the list for road deaths in Europe. If you take into account our population density, the amount of traffic we do a good job compared with others.

Top 10 safest roads in Europe​

  1. Sweden: 25 (deaths per million inhabitants)
  2. UK: 28
  3. Denmark: 30
  4. Netherlands: 31
  5. Ireland: 33
  6. Estonia: 36
  7. Spain: 39
  8. Malta: 41
  9. Luxembourg: 42
  10. Finland: 43
 
David and Sally said:
Probably BMW and Audi drivers. You are supposed to indicate then move back to the nearside lane but these cars don't have indicators so that can't be done :LOL: :ROFLMAO:
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They think that they have made it in life because of the car they drive 🤪 the rest of us are just plebs. The Highway Code would be lost on many of them as many of them can't read :whistle2:
 
My Dad used to have a mate who was a bit daft.

On one occasion he drove my Dad and a few other mates to Cardiff to see the rugby.

My Dad assures me that he drove the length of the M4 from Port Talbot to Cardiff on the hard shoulder:giggle:
 
Wee Bold Davy said:
They think that they have made it in life because of the car they drive 🤪 the rest of us are just plebs. The Highway Code would be lost on many of them as many of them can't read :whistle2:
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Wrong.
I'm a airy arsed scaffolder with zero academic qualification's who drives a M5 AND use my indicators. I can read, just, and can write (with spell check).
I look UP to everyone, down on no one.
The reason i've done ok in life is kin hard graft.

Now, i'll buy you a beer when i see you....and Dave
 
bobnick said:
Wrong.
I'm a airy arsed scaffolder with zero academic qualification's who drives a M5 AND use my indicators. I can read, just, and can write (with spell check).
I look UP to everyone, down on no one.
The reason i've done ok in life is kin hard graft.

Now, i'll buy you a beer when i see you....and Dave
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As I said MANY of them can't read, now what's the chance of you ever buying me a beer? :whistle2: :giggler:

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jessthedog said:
There are some terrible drivers out there, but we still have one of the safest road networks in the World.
We are 2nd on the list for road deaths in Europe. If you take into account our population density, the amount of traffic we do a good job compared with others.

Top 10 safest roads in Europe​

  1. Sweden: 25 (deaths per million inhabitants)
  2. UK: 28
  3. Denmark: 30
  4. Netherlands: 31
  5. Ireland: 33
  6. Estonia: 36
  7. Spain: 39
  8. Malta: 41
  9. Luxembourg: 42
  10. Finland: 43
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Depends on how you look at the stats

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Talking of 2nd lane hoggers, what does everyone think of 'smart' motorways? I for one can't relax on the nearside lane if I'm following an HGV and can't see what's happening ahead. If he indicates to overtake, is he overtaking or avoiding a broken down vehicle which I can't yet see? :Eeek:
 
Bak to the Original post about keeping left, the nearside is often used by trucks and the state of many road surfaces is Jarring to say the least, so one reason Drivers may choose not to use the nearside is the constant vibrations and risks of damaging wheels on holes so on stretches like this I will often use the middle or outside as long as I am not holding anyone up.
 

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