Joined the Comfortmatic failure club

So, broken down again!
The lid was loose on the hydraulic fluid reservoir & some of it must have sloshed out!
I have topped hydraulic fluid up & it's taken about 250/300ml. If I turn ignition on & select gear it goes in and out ok & I can hear hydraulic pump running every few changes. I have done that lots of times to get the oil through & topped the fluid up after the first time.
If I start it in neutral and quickly put it into gear there is a big clunk & it goes in. I can then select neutral afterwards.
If I start it & wait, as soon as I try to select a gear it says 'gear not available'.
I've tried disconnecting the battery & leaving for 30 minutes but just the same.
Any one any ideas please ????????
Probably got a bubble / empty fluid at the clutch end. It's going to need proper bleeding from the clutch end and that needs the tools to get at it and the software to operate the mechanisms.
 
So, broken down again!
The lid was loose on the hydraulic fluid reservoir & some of it must have sloshed out!
I have topped hydraulic fluid up & it's taken about 250/300ml. If I turn ignition on & select gear it goes in and out ok & I can hear hydraulic pump running every few changes. I have done that lots of times to get the oil through & topped the fluid up after the first time.
If I start it in neutral and quickly put it into gear there is a big clunk & it goes in. I can then select neutral afterwards.
If I start it & wait, as soon as I try to select a gear it says 'gear not available'.
I've tried disconnecting the battery & leaving for 30 minutes but just the same.
Any one any ideas please ????????
When you say topped up the hydraulic fluid do you mean the ATF Dexron III in the larger rectangular reservoir or DOT 4 brake/clutch fluid in the smaller circular reservoir? 300ml is a lot to lose, what level did you top up to on the reservoir?
 
Probably got a bubble / empty fluid at the clutch end. It's going to need proper bleeding from the clutch end and that needs the tools to get at it and the software to operate the mechanisms.
It's the hydraulic fluid for the pump not the clutch fluid so shouldn't need bleeding apparently.
 
When you say topped up the hydraulic fluid do you mean the ATF Dexron III in the larger rectangular reservoir or DOT 4 brake/clutch fluid in the smaller circular reservoir? 300ml is a lot to lose, what level did you top up to on the reservoir?
Yes the hydraulic fluid in the large reservoir - not the brake fluid in the clutch.
I filled it to the top, then the pump ran & it dropped so I filled it again to the top & it's now just at the bottom of the neck.
 
Yes the hydraulic fluid in the large reservoir - not the brake fluid in the clutch.
I filled it to the top, then the pump ran & it dropped so I filled it again to the top & it's now just at the bottom of the neck.
The system takes just over 0.5l of ATF which brings the level to around the seam around the middle of the reservoir, anything else is ejected out of the drain tube. Keep an eye on the level and if it drops lower than the seam then it could get expensive. Otherwise it looks like the usual Italian electrics in the control unit and the self learn enable procedure should sort it

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For reference my van, 130bhp, 5.4m PVC is about 3 3/4 years old coming up to 17,000 miles on clock. Serviced yearly on a three year plan (but not sure now what that actually covered).

Must say very pleasantly surprised how quick AA arrived, less than 20 minutes from call to the Comfort insurance breakdown number.
Out of interest, had you ever had the gearbox oil changed. I seem to remember in a previous discussion about Comformatics that they benefit from an oil change at intervals (can't remember the exact details).
 
Out of interest, had you ever had the gearbox oil changed. I seem to remember in a previous discussion about Comformatics that they benefit from an oil change at intervals (can't remember the exact details).
Nothing had been touched on my vehicle to do with the comfortmatic, despite my having taken out an annual service plan with my supplying motorhome dealer which it is now apparent was a good way to rip me off. At 17,000 miles, 3.5 years old I wouldn't expect oil changes in the gearbox to be something one would even think about. Not something that featured in the conversations with Adams Morey when under repair.

The check / change that should have been done was the clutch operating DOT4 type fluid. Regardless of mileage, and the 2 year check fluid, possible change recommendation in the service manual for my 2019 van, it now seems clear that the fluid really should be changed at 2 years.
 
Out of interest, had you ever had the gearbox oil changed. I seem to remember in a previous discussion about Comformatics that they benefit from an oil change at intervals (can't remember the exact details).
Yes they were both changed last year.
 
The new Fiat auto is a 9 speed ZF box; proper auto and an absolute dream to drive according to those who have one.

Next van will almost certainly have this option
No problem with our 9 speed auto…
 
No problem with our 9 speed auto…
Next van on order has the 9 speed auto. It was a “must have” luckily I had a choice of 4 scheduled for build in June. WildAx has one NATO air defence grey, two battleship greys and one silver grey metallic. Guess what we chose?

The beautiful Le Voyageur will be going up for a reluctant sale soon. Not practical to have two vans on the drive……

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I have to conclude Adams Morey, Portsmouth, got to the bottom of all my problems and did the necessary repairs. Probably done some 500 miles in last fortnight since the repairs including Portsmouth to home, Swaffham rally and back, and now to a THS near Matlock. That has included well over 2 hours of M25 gridlock in and out of gears which is probably as good (or bad) a test as any.

I really don't want, and can't afford, to go through that again, which is a concern when the system is clearly fragile.
 
I cant schedule a visit to Portsmouth this year, but you can bet I’ll be there for a fluid change and a clutch recalibration just to keep the old 3Ltr comfortmatic as sweet as😁😁
 
Sorry to hear that, when I was looking to buy a motorhome I completely discounted fiat based ones as I wanted an automatic but was put off by the number of people reporting issues with comformatic gearboxes. I hope the fault is cheap and easy to fix for you.
Oh dear. Started engine, won't select a gear error message.

Had been fine, drove here this morning no issues. At least currently parked safely.

At least AA breakdown through Comfort may be here in half hour.
Ours was £2000 new clutch

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Next van on order has the 9 speed auto. It was a “must have” luckily I had a choice of 4 scheduled for build in June. WildAx has one NATO air defence grey, two battleship greys and one silver grey metallic. Guess what we chose?

The beautiful Le Voyageur will be going up for a reluctant sale soon. Not practical to have two vans on the drive……
Yellow
 
I must admit that this whole episode has a whiff of Adams Morey changing things until they've replace everything anyway and then justifying it with some fairly weak reasons, but at least you have a working system again and you can be confident for another 15-20k until the degradation index needs to be reset again.
 
I must admit that this whole episode has a whiff of Adams Morey changing things until they've replace everything anyway and then justifying it with some fairly weak reasons, but at least you have a working system again and you can be confident for another 15-20k until the degradation index needs to be reset again.
It is not Adams Morey that do that but some garages seem to. My experience with Adams Morey was very good, they analysed the fault, traced the problem, changed nothing and only charged labour for putting it right.
 
I thought I would add my woes from Morocco this year , outside Fiat in Agadir for seven days and nights waiting for repairs and parts , on the back of a " low " loader it ripped the back bumper off plus the wiring pulling it onto the deck for the return journey back to Agadir to sort out the software on the gearbox and clutch . New flywheel clutch and pressure plate fitted.

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I thought I would add my woes from Morocco this year , outside Fiat in Agadir for seven days and nights waiting for repairs and parts , on the back of a " low " loader it ripped the back bumper off plus the wiring pulling it onto the deck for the return journey back to Agadir to sort out the software on the gearbox and clutch . New flywheel clutch and pressure plate fitted.

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Love the way they did it on the pavement.
 
I wonder if how a motorhome is used has any bearing on the Comformatic problems. We bought new a Burstner Iexo 736 in Sept 2019. Did a fair mileage in the first 15 months then (Covid) van was parked in our garage for 15 months. Did around 5000 miles over 90 days from March 2022 parked up again until Feb 2023
then did another 90 days in France. Now covered just under 22,000 miles. Van never gets used for short trips I changed the engine oil and oil air and fuel filters at 12 months old, took it into our local Fiat dealer for its first (2) years service, when I went to collect it there was nothing to pay, I was told as it had not covered much mileage it did not require a service?? So back again serviced but blank looks when I queried the Comformatic side of it. So as it will be 4 years old this sept I think I will also book it into Adams Morley as we have to take it to Southdowns for its damp check and they’re only around the corner ??
 
I wonder if how a motorhome is used has any bearing on the Comformatic problems. We bought new a Burstner Iexo 736 in Sept 2019. Did a fair mileage in the first 15 months then (Covid) van was parked in our garage for 15 months. Did around 5000 miles over 90 days from March 2022 parked up again until Feb 2023
then did another 90 days in France. Now covered just under 22,000 miles. Van never gets used for short trips I changed the engine oil and oil air and fuel filters at 12 months old, took it into our local Fiat dealer for its first (2) years service, when I went to collect it there was nothing to pay, I was told as it had not covered much mileage it did not require a service?? So back again serviced but blank looks when I queried the Comformatic side of it. So as it will be 4 years old this sept I think I will also book it into Adams Morley as we have to take it to Southdowns for its damp check and they’re only around the corner ??
As I said on another thread mine is going into an independant on Friday for a service and next Tuesday going to Adams Morey for clutch fluid change.
 
Getting my van serviced this week by my local Independant and next week it's going to Adams Morey for clutch fluid change don't want to risk the independant doing it.
I'm at AM's on Thursday !!

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I wonder if how a motorhome is used has any bearing on the Comformatic problems. We bought new a Burstner Iexo 736 in Sept 2019. Did a fair mileage in the first 15 months then (Covid) van was parked in our garage for 15 months. Did around 5000 miles over 90 days from March 2022 parked up again until Feb 2023
then did another 90 days in France. Now covered just under 22,000 miles. Van never gets used for short trips I changed the engine oil and oil air and fuel filters at 12 months old, took it into our local Fiat dealer for its first (2) years service, when I went to collect it there was nothing to pay, I was told as it had not covered much mileage it did not require a service?? So back again serviced but blank looks when I queried the Comformatic side of it. So as it will be 4 years old this sept I think I will also book it into Adams Morley as we have to take it to Southdowns for its damp check and they’re only around the corner ??
I think it's down Fiat having to set the envelope for clutch transmissibility based on the high mileage delivery/works vans which are the majority. Mohos are used completeley differently so fall outside the permitted envelope much sooner and need the re-baselining. Unfortunately there's no evidence that garages try this before pulling things apart and then using weak arguments to try to show alleged failure which in reality is just normal wear and tear,
 
Next week Tuesday 1 pm so looks like I'll miss you.
Not sure if that's a good or bad thing :unsure: :unsure: however I'm sure that if a Funster had the software and know-how, they could earn a few bob at rallies ....
 
Unfortunately there's no evidence that garages try this before pulling things apart and then using weak arguments to try to show alleged failure which in reality is just normal wear and tear,
Knowing a couple of friends who have both had work done at Adams Morey recently although their labour rates are frightening if they don't fix they don't appear to charge. A different approach to most garages.
 
Not sure if that's a good or bad thing :unsure: :unsure: however I'm sure that if a Funster had the software and know-how, they could earn a few bob at rallies ....
For the few quid it costs probably better done with proper Fiat diagnostics.

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