Itsy bitsy teenie weenie payloads

[busby]

Had 6 motorhomes now never bother how much weight I carry fuel water bikes full of food n wine beer just enjoy it ,it’s just like a caravan don’t overload it too much at the back you no if your overweight by the way it drives go on holiday n enjoy that’s what it’s for ,,

I dont think so..Try telling that to Weights and measures when they pull and weigh you..BUSBY.

 

[busby]

An interesting attitude,and probably not uncommon. However there is such a thing called the law. The law about vehicle weight is made as part of road safety. Do you blatantly ignore other road safety laws,such as speed limits,drink driving etc.?

Some very irresponsible drivers on the road,,BUSBY.

 

[Crazylegs]

Had 6 motorhomes now never bother how much weight I carry fuel water bikes full of food n wine beer just enjoy it ,it’s just like a caravan don’t overload it too much at the back you no if your overweight by the way it drives go on holiday n enjoy that’s what it’s for ,,

Just playing devils advocate here, BTG has had six motorhomes and presumably not been involved in any accidents where weight was an issue, or been weighed/prosecuted by the authorities. Like BTG I have towed race cars on trailers all over the U.K. and Europe with vans and motorhomes for around 40 years without a problem. ( there may have been an occasional speed related discussion ) Just look at any race paddock and you will see multiple racers who have all got their race cars to the circuit one way or another and I would wager some are overloaded. I dont recall anyone in the paddocks ever having been prosecuted for overloading, in fact I can’t even remember a conversation about the subject, it just wasn’t something we thought about.
But of course this was mostly before Facebook and Motorhome forums where the subject seems to be constantly under discussion somewhere despite the fact that vehicle weight checks on PRIVATE vehicles are still very rare. People research overloading on the internet and normally find details and fines that refer to commercial vans and trucks, in the U.K. at least private vehicles are usually dealt with differently by the authorities, I accept there appears to have been a change of policy in Europe as I have read about a few motorhomes being prosecuted for weight offences in recent years I have 7 mtr moho plated at 4600 kgs so I’m probably fairly safe with a payload of a ton or so.
I would argue that out of date tyres on your vehicle is probably a more serious safety matter than a marginally overweight 3.5 T Motorhome that can be up plated via a paperwork exercise, but do we regularly think and discuss the condition of our tyres ?

 

[The Wino]

Just playing devils advocate here, BTG has had six motorhomes and presumably not been involved in any accidents where weight was an issue, or been weighed/prosecuted by the authorities. Like BTG I have towed race cars on trailers all over the U.K. and Europe with vans and motorhomes for around 40 years without a problem. ( there may have been an occasional speed related discussion ) Just look at any race paddock and you will see multiple racers who have all got their race cars to the circuit one way or another and I would wager some are overloaded. I dont recall anyone in the paddocks ever having been prosecuted for overloading, in fact I can’t even remember a conversation about the subject, it just wasn’t something we thought about.
But of course this was mostly before Facebook and Motorhome forums where the subject seems to be constantly under discussion somewhere despite the fact that vehicle weight checks on PRIVATE vehicles are still very rare. People research overloading on the internet and normally find details and fines that refer to commercial vans and trucks, in the U.K. at least private vehicles are usually dealt with differently by the authorities, I accept there appears to have been a change of policy in Europe as I have read about a few motorhomes being prosecuted for weight offences in recent years I have 7 mtr moho plated at 4600 kgs so I’m probably fairly safe with a payload of a ton or so.
I would argue that out of date tyres on your vehicle is probably a more serious safety matter than a marginally overweight 3.5 T Motorhome that can be up plated via a paperwork exercise, but do we regularly think and discuss the condition of our tyres ?

I tend to agree and bet if you looked some of the same people saying you really need to watch weight carefully are the same ones complaining about speed cameras and discussing how to get away with paying lower tolls in France when their newly plated weight means legally they know they are the next class up. I did weigh ours and we were well in but don't know anyone who has been stopped.

 

[Parrot Face]

Had 6 motorhomes now never bother how much weight I carry fuel water bikes full of food n wine beer just enjoy it ,it’s just like a caravan don’t overload it too much at the back you no if your overweight by the way it drives go on holiday n enjoy that’s what it’s for ,,

Of course I would never break the law but I can't understand why many motorhomes have a weight limit of say 3500 but are built to drive and cope with weights of around 3850?

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[busbuddy]

Because 3500 is the magic figure for the modern driver

 

[Parrot Face]

Because 3500 is the magic figure for the modern driver

There's no such thing as magic, just sleight of hand and manipulation.

 

[Jim]

Of course I would never break the law but I can't understand why many motorhomes have a weight limit of say 3500 but are built to drive and cope with weights of around 3850?

Because the makers build them for their biggest market. All those grandfather rights are disappearing fast while all those youngsters who dont want to take a test grow. so the vast bulk of buyers need 3.5t

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Because the makers build them for their biggest market. All those grandfather rights are disappearing fast while all those youngsters who dont want to take a test grow. so the vast bulk of buyers need 3.5t

And the pressure from the other end is that fresh buyers want all the “mod cons” as well ,that all subtract from the payload......how heavy IS an AGA?

 

[busby]

Just playing devils advocate here, BTG has had six motorhomes and presumably not been involved in any accidents where weight was an issue, or been weighed/prosecuted by the authorities. Like BTG I have towed race cars on trailers all over the U.K. and Europe with vans and motorhomes for around 40 years without a problem. ( there may have been an occasional speed related discussion ) Just look at any race paddock and you will see multiple racers who have all got their race cars to the circuit one way or another and I would wager some are overloaded. I dont recall anyone in the paddocks ever having been prosecuted for overloading, in fact I can’t even remember a conversation about the subject, it just wasn’t something we thought about.
But of course this was mostly before Facebook and Motorhome forums where the subject seems to be constantly under discussion somewhere despite the fact that vehicle weight checks on PRIVATE vehicles are still very rare. People research overloading on the internet and normally find details and fines that refer to commercial vans and trucks, in the U.K. at least private vehicles are usually dealt with differently by the authorities, I accept there appears to have been a change of policy in Europe as I have read about a few motorhomes being prosecuted for weight offences in recent years I have 7 mtr moho plated at 4600 kgs so I’m probably fairly safe with a payload of a ton or so.
I would argue that out of date tyres on your vehicle is probably a more serious safety matter than a marginally overweight 3.5 T Motorhome that can be up plated via a paperwork exercise, but do we regularly think and discuss the condition of our tyres ?

Dont think having out of date tyres is an offence providing there are no cracks and they have legal tread depth but being overloaded can lead to a hefty fine,,BUSBY.

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[busby]

Of course I would never break the law but I can't understand why many motorhomes have a weight limit of say 3500 but are built to drive and cope with weights of around 3850?

Years ago when weight limit for hgvs in uk was 38 tonnes most foreign trucks purchased by uk hauliers,ie,Renault Volvo etc were plated at 44 tonnes.Ministry still prosecuted if you were over 38 tonne. BUSBY.

 

[Crazylegs]

Dont think having out of date tyres is an offence providing there are no cracks and they have legal tread depth but being overloaded can lead to a hefty fine,,BUSBY.

Fines are a lot less harmful to your health compared with a delaminating tyre that may damage your Motorhome at best, or chuck you off the road at worst.

 

[Crazylegs]

Years ago when weight limit for hgvs in uk was 38 tonnes most foreign trucks purchased by uk hauliers,ie,Renault Volvo etc were plated at 44 tonnes.Ministry still prosecuted if you were over 38 tonne. BUSBY.

I’m familiar with that being an ex transport man, however like many you are making reference to commercial vehicles and there associated rules, laws and fines which are different to privately owned cars and motorhomes.

 

[busby]

I’m familiar with that being an ex transport man, however like many you are making reference to commercial vehicles and there associated rules, laws and fines which are different to privately owned cars and motorhomes.

May be different but overloading a motorhome is as illegal as overloading a delivery van.The only difference is the penalty would be much lighter for a motorhome.BUSBY.

 

[Parrot Face]

May be different but overloading a motorhome is as illegal as overloading a delivery van.The only difference is the penalty would be much lighter for a motorhome.BUSBY.

Has anyone on here been caught overloaded and if so what was the fine? How much over weight were they?

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[Pausim]

Has anyone on here been caught overloaded and if so what was the fine? How much over weight were they?

A friend got pulled over several years ago on the A303 when towing a boat. He was not heavy enough to be fined but had to redistribute weight and dump water. It was the first weekend of the summer holidays and he said they were pulling up caravans, motorhomes and boats in a big lay by. A couple of years later another friend said they were doing a similar exercise at the same spot on cars with bikes where the lights and number plates were obscured. He said he could see a big trailer full of impounded cycles.

No idea if they still do this, not heard of it recently but I no longer live in Wiltshire.

 

[Btg]

If your motorhome is looking overweight than the police might pull you when they do they will check dates on tyres cos that’s the new thing now out of date tyres ,

 

[tonyidle]

If your motorhome is looking overweight than the police might pull you when they do they will check dates on tyres cos that’s the new thing now out of date tyres ,

There is no law relating to out-of-date tyres (actually there's no such thing as an out-of-date tyre - the only date marked is date of manufacture). If an elderly tyre is noticed during a roadside safety check the driver might be offered advice about keeping an eye on it for cracking or delamination.

 

[Manxcat]

There is no law relating to out-of-date tyres (actually there's no such thing as an out-of-date tyre - the only date marked is date of manufacture). If an elderly tyre is noticed during a roadside safety check the driver might be offered advice about keeping an eye on it for cracking or delamination.

That's right. We traded our 6 year old van in earlier this year. One of the dealers said that they would have to change they tyres as they were out of date. We were fine as the tyree were ok but apparently it is not legal for the dealer to sell out of date tyres.

 

[CazPaul]

That's right. We traded our 6 year old van in earlier this year. One of the dealers said that they would have to change they tyres as they were out of date. We were fine as the tyree were ok but apparently it is not legal for the dealer to sell out of date tyres.

Well i have never heard that one, was it a ploy to just lower the price of the van?

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[Themselves]

I have just seen an advert for an Auto-Trail Tracker FB.
Payload of 200kg. Is this a new low ?

 

[Cheshirecat57]

I have just seen an advert for an Auto-Trail Tracker FB.
Payload of 200kg. Is this a new low ?

And thats BEFORE you actually weigh it

 

[busby]

I have just seen an advert for an Auto-Trail Tracker FB.
Payload of 200kg. Is this a new low ?

Well that me 80 kg,the other half 55 kg ,,couple of bottles of gas and thats it,,no chairs,no bikes,no water,no food,,,BUSBY.

 

[Themselves]

I expect the first time it rains it will soak up another 50 kg. Is this going to become a minus payload.

 

[busby]

Pilote Galaxy A-class @ 3.5T:

1. G741FGJ: 310kg.

2. G741J: 310kg.

3. G741GJ: 310kg.

(Excludes solar, awnings etc)

Would be illegal then if loaded, Must be hundreds driving overloaded..BUSBY..

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[nicholsong]

Niesmann&Bishoff when talking about their new iSmove slimline 'A' Class do write that in 3500kg format with normal extras added that the payload will limit its use and that consideration be given to the uprated 3700kg and 4500kg versions.

At least they are honest and warning buyers.

Our own Arto model from 2003 in 3500kg has only 202kg above 'unladen weight' but I suspect that should read MIRO, but really only usable at our 3850kg.

Geoff

 

[Waveski]

Niesmann&Bishoff when talking about their new iSmove slimline 'A' Class do write that in 3500kg format with normal extras added that the payload will limit its use and that consideration be given to the uprated 3700kg and 4500kg versions.

At least they are honest and warning buyers.

Our own Arto model from 2003 in 3500kg has only 202kg above 'unladen weight' but I suspect that should read MIRO, but really only usable at our 3850kg.

Geoff

 

[mitzimad]

im in the crazy situation where the van can be uprated as a paper exercise but if i do its no longer right for the lez so if i was charged and fined for being overweight i would be fined for over paying road tax as i cant be a safety issue

 

[Jim]

Our own Arto model from 2003 in 3500kg has only 202kg above 'unladen weight'

Pretty much unusable at 3500kg then

 

[grumps147]

There is no law relating to out-of-date tyres (actually there's no such thing as an out-of-date tyre - the only date marked is date of manufacture). If an elderly tyre is noticed during a roadside safety check the driver might be offered advice about keeping an eye on it for cracking or delamination.

For coaches and HGV’s an age limit law has recently been passed. The SI to implement it has yet to be published, but is expected before too long.

Government bans old coach, bus and lorry tyres from roads in new measures to improve road safety

Tyres aged 10 years and older will be banned.

www.gov.uk

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