Is this the end of forums or forum participation?

[Minxy]

Wait till the kids get hold of this, they will all finish University with first class honours degrees

Trouble is all the essays and exam answers will be identical!

 

[shrek snr]

I DONT LIKE IT, !!!

 

[kevenh]

Oh! Civil servants can not use it to make policy:

Civil servants warned not to use AI chatbots to write Government policies

Department for Science, Information and Technology urges caution amid soaring popularity of bots like ChatGPT - but doesn't rule out their use entirely

inews.co.uk

 

[Minxy]

Oh! Civil servants can not use it to make policy:

Civil servants warned not to use AI chatbots to write Government policies

Department for Science, Information and Technology urges caution amid soaring popularity of bots like ChatGPT - but doesn't rule out their use entirely

inews.co.uk

I thought the bot was already working for them, some of the answers are certainly 'govt speak'!

 

[funflair]

I asked Fun Bot a factual question thinking that might be it's "forte" but alas it came back (OK very quickly) with a generic and factually incorrect answer.

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[Minxy]

I asked Fun Bot a factual question thinking that might be it's "forte" but alas it came back (OK very quickly) with a generic and factually incorrect answer.

Depends on your 'factual' question ... it could be you that's wrong, especially if it was a 'size' question as we know men always exaggerate!

 

[Coolcats]

This is a question that Nick Cave was asked, and his reply, I have posted the last couple of Paragraphs you may like to read all he wrote.

I asked Chat GPT to write a song in the style of Nick Cave and this is what it produced. What do you think?​

It may sound like I’m taking all this a little too personally, but I’m a songwriter who is engaged, at this very moment, in the process of songwriting. It’s a blood and guts business, here at my desk, that requires something of me to initiate the new and fresh idea. It requires my humanness. What that new idea is, I don’t know, but it is out there somewhere, searching for me. In time, we will find each other.

Mark, thanks for the song, but with all the love and respect in the world, this song is bullshit, a grotesque mockery of what it is to be human, and, well, I don’t much like it — although, hang on!, rereading it, there is a line in there that speaks to me —

‘I’ve got the fire of hell in my eyes’

— says the song ‘in the style of Nick Cave’, and that’s kind of true. I have got the fire of hell in my eyes – and it’s ChatGPT.

 

[Coolcats]

Wait till the kids get hold of this, they will all finish University with first class honours degrees

Erm no, they cant the Uni's are always on the look out for Plagiarism, now they may be able to reference one or two responses but that is no different to referring to something on the web. But what you will find is that Web referencing is poor the original source disappears as is the fickle nature of the internet.

A university will require accurate referencing but also the essay's will go through a tool such as "Turn it in"

Plagurism is bad news an undergraduate pays around £9k per year for fees an if caught can be expelled,

"Plagiarism is presenting work or ideas from another source as your own, with or without consent of the original author, by incorporating it into your work without full acknowledgement. All published and unpublished material, whether in manuscript, printed or electronic form, is covered under this definition, as is the use of material generated wholly or in part through use of artificial intelligence (save when use of Artificial Intelligence - AI for assessment has received prior authorisation e.g. as a reasonable adjustment for a student’s disability). Plagiarism can also include re-using your own work without citation. Under the regulations for examinations, intentional or reckless plagiarism is a disciplinary offence"

So if you reference something it has to be correctly laid out both in the main text and how the referencing is formatted. Undergrads get away with some mistakes (not Plagurisem) Post grad and Masters get away with far less (they would be viewed as mid to higher managers) and those undertaking a Phd do not get away with anything.

This is the Harvard guide for those who have not seen it

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Erm no, they cant the Uni's are always on the look out for Plagiarism, now they may be able to reference one or two responses but that is no different to referring to something on the web. But what you will find is that Web referencing is poor the original source disappears as is the fickle nature of the internet.

A university will require accurate referencing but also the essay's will go through a tool such as "Turn it in"

Plagurism is bad news an undergraduate pays around £9k per year for fees an if caught can be expelled,

"Plagiarism is presenting work or ideas from another source as your own, with or without consent of the original author, by incorporating it into your work without full acknowledgement. All published and unpublished material, whether in manuscript, printed or electronic form, is covered under this definition, as is the use of material generated wholly or in part through use of artificial intelligence (save when use of Artificial Intelligence - AI for assessment has received prior authorisation e.g. as a reasonable adjustment for a student’s disability). Plagiarism can also include re-using your own work without citation. Under the regulations for examinations, intentional or reckless plagiarism is a disciplinary offence"

So if you reference something it has to be correctly laid out both in the main text and how the referencing is formatted. Undergrads get away with some mistakes (not Plagurisem) Post grad and Masters get away with far less (they would be viewed as mid to higher managers) and those undertaking a Phd do not get away with anything.

This is the Harvard guide for those who have not seen it

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Sounds like they are already all over it like a bad suit

 

[Coolcats]

Sounds like they are already all over it like a bad suit

To be honest I think they have to otherwise there is no academic rigour and the value of under and post graduate degrees would be meaningless, but I guess its like policing its always catch up

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[DuxDeluxe]

To be honest I think they have to otherwise there is no academic rigour and the value of under and post graduate degrees would be meaningless, but I guess its like policing its always catch up

Very true

 

[Realist]

Forums have died years ago when Fakebook took over, only a very small handful are surviving but from the years I’ve ran forums they tend to not last years anymore.

This automated response system naaa I don’t like it, nothing like a human response.

 

[Jim]

Forums have died years ago when Fakebook took over,

That has been debated for years on forum owners forums. Facebook did kill a lot of forums, all the rubbish ones.

The forum format thrives, just look at the likes of Reddit, Quora and Github. Some of the UKs largest traditional forums still around are massive, think Arrse, AV Forums, Student Room and Mumsnet. MotorhomeFun Facebook are not the guilty party, it's just place where complacent forum owners customers went.

 

[maison]

Erm no, they cant the Uni's are always on the look out for Plagiarism, now they may be able to reference one or two responses but that is no different to referring to something on the web. But what you will find is that Web referencing is poor the original source disappears as is the fickle nature of the internet.

A university will require accurate referencing but also the essay's will go through a tool such as "Turn it in"

Plagurism is bad news an undergraduate pays around £9k per year for fees an if caught can be expelled,

"Plagiarism is presenting work or ideas from another source as your own, with or without consent of the original author, by incorporating it into your work without full acknowledgement. All published and unpublished material, whether in manuscript, printed or electronic form, is covered under this definition, as is the use of material generated wholly or in part through use of artificial intelligence (save when use of Artificial Intelligence - AI for assessment has received prior authorisation e.g. as a reasonable adjustment for a student’s disability). Plagiarism can also include re-using your own work without citation. Under the regulations for examinations, intentional or reckless plagiarism is a disciplinary offence"

So if you reference something it has to be correctly laid out both in the main text and how the referencing is formatted. Undergrads get away with some mistakes (not Plagurisem) Post grad and Masters get away with far less (they would be viewed as mid to higher managers) and those undertaking a Phd do not get away with anything.

This is the Harvard guide for those who have not seen it

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Quoting from one person’s book is plagiarism.

Quoting from several is research!

 

[steve69]

Don't do it. It's just another way for them to spy on you

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[suavecarve]

Wait till the kids get hold of this, they will all finish University with first class honours degrees

They ve been plagiarising for some time

 

[violet]

The Fun Bot is still online answering your questions, but the posts are not showing in Whats New at the moment because there are quite a few of you testing him and its upsetting some of the more elderly, crotchety old funsters

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That must be me then, I looked at several answers and thought them anodyne in the most boring, bland and insipid sense of the word. Though might not be me as I wasn't upset, I just whizzed past the rest of this Bot experimentation.

 

[Realist]

That has been debated for years on forum owners forums. Facebook did kill a lot of forums, all the rubbish ones.

The forum format thrives, just look at the likes of Reddit, Quora and Github. Some of the UKs largest traditional forums still around are massive, think Arrse, AV Forums, Student Room and Mumsnet. MotorhomeFun Facebook are not the guilty party, it's just place where complacent forum owners customers went.

Yes I cannot argue against that reply where the striving forums with quality content are still up and running like my sons forum ragezone.com that’s have a few members and been running for years.

He was offered a few good pounds for it but will never part with it, it’s his baby and makes him a living along with his other forums.

All my forums technical based died through the lack of members input and content, the forum format is not in question because a forum is only as good as it’s users base and topic.

 

[Tombola]

Some of the answers sound like those made by a politician, and don't really tell you much. The answer to taking pets abroad was outdated and incorrect, so it doesn't know everything.

It will know a lot more as it learns.
Considering it's artificial it very impressive.

Motorist uses AI tool ChatGPT to reduce airport parking fine from £100 to £15 | RAC Drive

One motorist used ChatGPT artificial intelligence (AI) tool to reduce a airport car parking fine from Gatwick Airport from £100 to £15.

www.rac.co.uk

 

[Jim]

It will know a lot more as it learns.
Considering it's artificial it very impressive.

Motorist uses AI tool ChatGPT to reduce airport parking fine from £100 to £15 | RAC Drive

One motorist used ChatGPT artificial intelligence (AI) tool to reduce a airport car parking fine from Gatwick Airport from £100 to £15.

www.rac.co.uk

If the guy had got the free letter from Money Saving Expert he'd have got the whole fine waived. I did the same but a Heathrow drop off charge. I forget the technicality now, but the parking company thanked me for the letter and tore up the ticket.

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[Coolcats]

They ve been plagiarising for some time

They will get kicked out if they do and if your at a uni where plagiarism is not checked for it’s a rubbish uni and a meaningless degree

 

[suavecarve]

They will get kicked out if they do and if your at a uni where plagiarism is not checked for it’s a rubbish uni and a meaningless degree

Or.....you're docked all your marks for that part of the course.

Which a cynical person might suggest that it means the cheater still has to pay.

 

[nicholsong]

Has the Fun Bot been discontinued?

I mischievously tried to put the following question, but I got the message that there was a problem.


"Can one enter the Schengen area using only a EU country Residence Card, without presenting passport, and which card complies with the following:-

"All the above mentioned documents will bear: “Article 50 TUE” in the field: “type of permit” and “Article 18 ust. 4 Umowy Wystąpienia” in the field: “remarks”

My Residence card bears those wordings.

The reason I ask is that only presenting the card would avoid arguments about whether the officer should or should not stamp the passport, which he should not , but could cause problems in the future since I would certainly be more than 90/180 in Schengen as I live here."

 

[monzer]

Has the Fun Bot been discontinued?

I mischievously tried to put the following question, but I got the message that there was a problem.


"Can one enter the Schengen area using only a EU country Residence Card, without presenting passport, and which card complies with the following:-

"All the above mentioned documents will bear: “Article 50 TUE” in the field: “type of permit” and “Article 18 ust. 4 Umowy Wystąpienia” in the field: “remarks”

My Residence card bears those wordings.

The reason I ask is that only presenting the card would avoid arguments about whether the officer should or should not stamp the passport, which he should not , but could cause problems in the future since I would certainly be more than 90/180 in Schengen as I live here."

Bot probably fell asleep

 

[nicholsong]

Bot probably fell asleep

Or Jim decided not to pay anymore, but did not tell us.

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[Billylou]

Thanks Jim for doing this. I’ve really enjoyed using it and have benefited from the quick responses that appear to be accurate and as good or better than using Google for example. I guess its use is different from the forum and should be considered a useful tool for quick answers rather than opening up a discussion. A couple of question. How long do you plan to keep it running? If someone carries out a general search will it include previous Fun Bot answers?

 

[Jim]

The Fun Bot is only there for a bit of fun. However it can have its uses for basic info. For instance i just asked it what the Truma Error code E513H was, It provided the answer in just two seconds, far quicker than doing a search and trawling through results, so it might have its uses.

The language model is quite cheap to access at the moment, but that's because we're all beta testers, I imagine it will be locked down behind a very expensive paywall soon.

 

[pagey]

I asked it how to fix a Thetford fridge it said that's not a fair question as the answer is not known

 

[Jim]

I asked the Funbot why forums are better than facebook. A good answer I thought.

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[Jim]

I asked it to Write the opening paragraph of The Hobbit, in the style of Yoda from Star Wars it came back with this in seconds, Loved it.

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