Is EHU on the up

[Jewellbags]

Has anyone seen any evidence of , justifiably I guess , increases in pitches with EHU ? - I think we might be living on solar at the sites a bit more this year .

 

[wp1234]

Do you know people who pay that much I certainl

Do you know people who pay that much I certainly don't.

You would be surprised ….try booking into Chatsworth CS in July with two adults and a couple of kids.

Do you know people who pay that much I certainly don't.

You would be surprised ….try booking into Chatsworth CS with two adults and a couple of kids

 

[gus-lopez]

What we should be doing is bombing the russian scum that has caused all this.

 

[Bleau’s]

Has a park owner we have to cater for all type of units so each pitch needs a hook-up supply the problems with letting someone on a pitch not using electric is when the office closes they just hook up and use it without paying so the site owner looses out and it is true you can not be seen to be making a profit if charging for electric separately that is why a all in price is used .A few years ago I put a rv on a new metered static pitch due to size and after they had gone just for curiosity checked the meter and they had used double the electric to what I charged them for the stay so lost money completly.

 

[82125]

Has a park owner we have to cater for all type of units so each pitch needs a hook-up supply the problems with letting someone on a pitch not using electric is when the office closes they just hook up and use it without paying so the site owner looses out and it is true you can not be seen to be making a profit if charging for electric separately that is why a all in price is used .A few years ago I put a rv on a new metered static pitch due to size and after they had gone just for curiosity checked the meter and they had used double the electric to what I charged them for the stay so lost money completly.

out of curiosity how did you calculate what it cost you? Taking say an average £25pn site fee ( i dont know what you charge), how does does that relate to overall running costs? (staff wages, site running costs, maintenance, actual costs of facilities like hot water provision for showers e.t.c, waste disposal)? Their pitch fee was less than any return you might have made? Is that based on any booking capacity? I.E in off season less pitches are occupied.
Or is that purely in terms of electricity costs! I.e they paid "x" amount site fees, and used more in electricity alone!?
Genuinely interested.

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[Kups]

Just had an email from CAMC telling me that my pitch fee for the night of 15 April is going up £2.50 to cover new electicity charges.

This is the email.

We look forward to welcoming you shortly on our UK Club campsites.

Ahead of your arrival, we wanted to let you know that on 5 April we made a small increase to our UK Club campsite prices for stays between 5 April 2022 and 3 January 2023 inclusive.

The unfortunate and sad events which have engulfed the world in recent weeks have meant worldwide electricity costs have increased exponentially. In fact the Club's electricity costs are forecast to increase by an unprecedented amount of around 50% this year.

The fairest way for the Club to manage the rising cost of energy required to run our UK Club campsites is for all members to pay a little bit extra when staying with us this year. This small price increase will support the Club in the face of the rising cost of energy and also help ensure that we can continue to reinvest in improving the UK Club campsite network.

What this means for you

The increase will be between 70p and £2.50 per night depending on the season and the campsite you are planning to stay on. These calculations are based on a standard touring pitch and two adults. My bold underline.

You can see the exact new price you’ll pay by logging into ‘My profile’ and clicking on the ‘My UK Sites Bookings’ section.

There’s no need for you to do anything, on arrival at the campsite you will be charged the appropriate amount.

We appreciate this price increase will not be welcomed, however we would like to share that members have saved over £12.5 million on stays at our UK Club campsite network since July 2020, as the Club passed on the full Government VAT rate saving to members.

We need your support to ensure our wonderful Club can continue to operate all of our amazing campsites at the same high standards during the busy summer season and into the winter, when we expect utility costs to rise further.

What can you do to help

Below are a few hints and tips to help reduce the cost of electricity usage when you are staying on one of our campsites.

1. If you have a solar unit on your outfit please use it as much as possible
2. Make sure indoor and outside lights, any heating appliances and electrical equipment are all turned off when you go out for the day and overnight Another job for the wardens??

We want members to enjoy many holidays with the Club this year, so thank you for your continued loyalty and support, and we wish you an enjoyable 2022 season of touring.

Best wishes,
The Caravan and Motorhome Club

 

[AndyPK]

‘1. If you have a solar unit on your outfit please use it as much as possible….’

I wonder what they mean by that……..?

 

[Wabs]

I think Jim was saying his electricity was going up to 45 p a unit so allowing for the heater in the awning mob could be £15 a day at cost without paying anything towards the infrastructure.

Why would you want to heat an awning?

 

[The Wino]

Why would you want to heat an awning?

I wouldn't but evidently some tuggers do

 

[599]

we have seen people with those stupid washers & dryers & heaters in awnings BUT our favourite & very rarely uk used cl put a stop to it by installing meters ITS the only way to go . with our solar panels & inverter we only need electric to top up our 4 /110ah battery's if its a dull rainy day & on a 5 day stay it costs us under £2 plus the guy can do his twin tub washing & awning heating without ME subsidizing him & in our view if site owners put the price of electric up people will use more so he will be no better off

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[VXman]

I find it fascinating that folk pay £40 - £50 plus for a pitch per night and then whinge about it. … why !
Just don’t pay it and go elsewhere otherwise campsite owners will continue to charge £40 - £50 plus .

Do you know people who pay that much I certainly don't.

Me!! Well just this weekend. Fancied staying in the centre of Bristol and that's what they charge. Interestingly they have just informed us of an increase of £2.50 a night due to electric costs but cheekily are also asking us no to use much electric and rely on our batteries/solar as much as possible.

At their prices I will be using electric as much as I can!

Note - I wouldn't normally consider a site at this price. It's a one off and far cheaper than a Bristol city centre hotel. (even a bad one!)

 

[Lenny HB]

Me!! Well just this weekend. Fancied staying in the centre of Bristol and that's what they charge. Interestingly they have just informed us of an increase of £2.50 a night due to electric costs but cheekily are also asking us no to use much electric and rely on our batteries/solar as much as possible.

At their prices I will be using electric as much as I can!

Note - I wouldn't normally consider a site at this price. It's a one off and far cheaper than a Bristol city centre hotel. (even a bad one!)

Is that on the so called club site? If so that is taking the pee, not there to support the members them.

 

[Ivory55]

So it’s cheaper then a bad hotel but still a rip off, haha

 

[VXman]

gas heater than can be run off electric though. The 1Kw setting someone else suggested I use is nigh on useless other than in Summer.
Most motorhomes from the factory are no where near equipped to not need EHU. Self contained but spec'd to be reliant on EHU unless the owner changes that.
I was actually shocked when I got this Burstner (second hand) how utterly useless it was off grid. Completely reliant on EHU. Solar only charged the starter battery, and no inverter let alone sockets for off grid use.
I dont have a toaster personally as I never eat breakfast, but I would like to use the microwave (which I cant currently). I dont want to need to use gas other than for things I cant really avoid like heating and the fridge. Salads and Sandwiches arent appealing mid Winter.

I just booked in for hopefully another 480w panel (if it will fit, which would take me to almost 1Kw of solar) and another 2 batteries to be fitted taking me to 4, but from the factory and even used, most are nowhere near capable of being self sufficient from what Ive seen).

The point being, that when I do periodically book in to a campsite and pay, yes I do want to run everything from the electric and not use my gas which can sometimes a pain to find and expensive.

£25 pn to sleep in my own van in essentially a field isnt particularly appealing to me unless I also get to fire up the xbox on 240v mains for media steaming, cook in the microwave or toasty maker, run my ice machine, get heating and hot water on electric. Other than emptying the loo and taking on water its the only reason I go to sites in the first place. So yes I want 16a EHU when Im paying.

So it really depends on how you live. I really don't need all that 'stuff' when away on a holiday.

My Burstner had only one battery - no solar. I added a second battery so now have 180amh.

I have managed 3 nights off grid with plenty of power to spare. Cooking by gas, (including toast). Gas kettle. Can manage without a microwave. Heating by gas (a little electric to control it/fans) LED lights use little power. USB to charge devices and a small inverter (150W) to charge the lap top.

I have just added 175W of solar and reckon that will allow me almost permanent off grid in Europe in the summer.

 

[VXman]

Is that on the so called club site? If so that is taking the pee, not there to support the members them.

Yes - Caravan and Motorhome Club.

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[VXman]

1. If you have a solar unit on your outfit please use it as much as possible
2. Make sure indoor and outside lights, any heating appliances and electrical equipment are all turned off when you go out for the day and overnight Another job for the wardens??
Best wishes,
The Caravan and Motorhome Club

Number 1 can only work if you unplug from the EHU and use your battery. That really isn't going to work. They need to introduce cheaper non electric pitches or metering if they are serious at reducing electric use.

I think number 2 is fair enough and any sensible person would do this anyway

 

[Toady]

Time for people to wake up regarding electricity usage.

You use it you pay for it!

Way forward is solar, inverter/chargers, battery storage, B2B etc.

Wish I had the skills but I am able to do the research. Visited Vanbitz. Sorted.

MH totally self contained. Coffee machine, hair drier, electric bikes on charge.

As far as I am concerned all MHs should be fitted with this equipment from the start.

 

[Tio64]

Me!! Well just this weekend. Fancied staying in the centre of Bristol and that's what they charge. Interestingly they have just informed us of an increase of £2.50 a night due to electric costs but cheekily are also asking us no to use much electric and rely on our batteries/solar as much as possible.

At their prices I will be using electric as much as I can!

Note - I wouldn't normally consider a site at this price. It's a one off and far cheaper than a Bristol city centre hotel. (even a bad one!)

Is that Baltic Wharf? I thought it had closed, it's one of our favourite sites.

 

[Tio64]

we have seen people with those stupid washers & dryers & heaters in awnings BUT our favourite & very rarely uk used cl put a stop to it by installing meters ITS the only way to go . with our solar panels & inverter we only need electric to top up our 4 /110ah battery's if its a dull rainy day & on a 5 day stay it costs us under £2 plus the guy can do his twin tub washing & awning heating without ME subsidizing him & in our view if site owners put the price of electric up people will use more so he will be no better off

Thing is though, can you imagine the cost of putting a meter on every pitch in the UK, and who pays for it? We do, that's the only way it can work.
We have got to accept that all those years, nay decades, of good times have gone. We now live in times of pandemic and war, and the globalism that has changed our lives for the better in the past is now not looking very good at all. Turns out Ukraine supplies large amounts of automotive wiring, and vast amounts of wheat, grain, rape etc and right now it's all gone. Coupled with the price of oil and gas, *everything* is going to go up.
If you're still healthy, and while we're still not yet involved in war, and if you have your leisure vehicle, we just need to keep calm and carry on.

 

[Gellyneck]

Just wondering if the next job for the wardens will be forcing folk onto their site against their will so they can charge them for leccy they don't use?

Just wait 'til hotels and b&b's start charging you for leccy you don't use when staying with them.

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[Minxy]

How can they put the cost up then tell punters to reduce their usage? One or the other but not both!

 

[VXman]

Is that Baltic Wharf? I thought it had closed, it's one of our favourite sites.

It's had a stay of execution. Only for another months at the moment I think.

 

[shawn&emma]

With a lot of older sites they would have to read a meter on arrival and departure to give a bill to the customer. Someone, yes the warden will have to add it to their never ending lust of jobs to be done.
When working on a site in Scotland you paid extra, £4 per night back in 2012 for electric so didn’t have to have it. As has already been mentioned you’d most days go round on the evening late walk round and find people who hadn’t paid plugged in. People abuse the system so the easiest way is to say your paying for it, if you don’t like it go somewhere else there’s plenty of others that will require hookup.
Where I work now it’s just part of the pitch price so no choice, the type of customers we have generally want hookup, I regularly ask for interest and the majority it’s yes we want it.
Everyone is different. We mix it up when out and about. If it’s cold and wet with not much sun we prefer hookup but if dry and sunny we don’t always hookup even if it’s available.
We’ve a new seasonal, mostly caravans, site just opened and we read the meters every month end, had a query this week from a customer, their month bill was around £130 and they have only been for the 4 weekends. Not sure what they’ve been using or leaving on but they need to get it sorted soon if they want to cut the monthly bill down.

 

[cyberyacht]

I don't tend to use sites. I certainly wouldn't use one where I was paying for something I have no use for.

Friends changed an old T4 for a new T6. has a compressor fridge & solar panel. no toilet .they stay off grid all the time rarely ever use a site?

I have that x2 & only use solar. My wife even charges all her stuff in the van here at home so as not to use electricity.

How much do they spend on Immodium?

 

[Spriddler]

The upside of global warming is that heating costs aren't as high as they might have been due to winters definitely becoming far milder than when I was a kid, trudging to school through snow every winter. Have only had one proper snowy (i.e. sledging) winter here in at least the past 8 years - precisely since the year I bought a spare set of wheels with snow tyres for my car as I did a lot of rural driving at that time.

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[JaG]

I think it is only fair we pay for what we use, by meter. The one way of almost guaranteeing the punters pay is to connect your EHU cable into a locked box and not unlock your meter until it is paid before you leave. How many of us would leave our EHU cable to escape payin? I suspect no-one. The cost would be minimal to the site owner, though a bit of hassle.

 

[82125]

The upside of global warming is that heating costs aren't as high as they might have been due to winters definitely becoming far milder than when I was a kid, trudging to school through snow every winter. Have only had one proper snowy (i.e. sledging) winter here in at least the past 8 years - precisely since the year I bought a spare set of wheels with snow tyres for my car as I did a lot of rural driving at that time.

or natural climate change (as its always been since the dawn of time on this planet) as its more accurately known?

 

[82125]

I think it is only fair we pay for what we use, by meter. The one way of almost guaranteeing the punters pay is to connect your EHU cable into a locked box and not unlock your meter until it is paid before you leave. How many of us would leave our EHU cable to escape payin? I suspect no-one. The cost would be minimal to the site owner, though a bit of hassle.

and who will pay for the installation and staffing costs incurred by sites to install all of these meters? Everyone. Everyone will see their pitch fees increase to cover it, including those that use zero units of electric once meters are installed.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Sensible solution is to remove EHU from pitches... motivate users to become more energy self sufficient.
If you absolutely need ehu, then you pay the premium.

 

[Landy Andy]

I think it is only fair we pay for what we use, by meter. The one way of almost guaranteeing the punters pay is to connect your EHU cable into a locked box and not unlock your meter until it is paid before you leave. How many of us would leave our EHU cable to escape payin? I suspect no-one. The cost would be minimal to the site owner, though a bit of hassle.

That’s pretty much what happens on German campsites. You plug you EHU in and when you go to leave they check the meter (or tell a man on site via a cab radio to get meter reading) then you are charged accordingly. Fair to me.

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[poppycamper]

That’s pretty much what happens on German campsites. You plug you EHU in and when you go to leave they check the meter (or tell a man on site via a cab radio to get meter reading) then you are charged accordingly. Fair to me.

Yes that would satisfy me.. turn up.. plug in.... don't switch on...
As Tammy Wynette famously sang..
NO CHARGE!!!!