Idling Engine Illegal....Do you do it ??

[frogijock]

It's a question of individual judgement as to how long the hold up will be. Like so many daft new laws who's going to enforce it? Whenever I've seen a copper they've had more priorities than worrying about an engine idling.

If they follow the US idea it will be Joe Public who will police it by taking photographs and submitting them to relevant body, a 25% fee will be paid to the photographer, a bloke on the news in NY said he made $10,000 doing this tax free as it is paid in cash

 

[pappajohn]

I guess drivers of turbo vehicles would have to remember to disable the 'Stop-Start' function then?

Mine disabled itself when the AGM battery began to fail.

 

[frogijock]

Very true U.K. contribution to global emissions is around 2% I believe.

I believe ginger nut Harry and his Yankee bird are doing their best to increase this percentage by their hopping on and off private planes

 

[Ivory55]

I believe ginger nut Harry and his Yankee bird are doing their best to increase this percentage by their hopping on and off private planes

It’s ok it’s reported that Elton John has made a carbon neutral donation to off set it for them.

 

[Loveshack]

I’ve always thought that “political correctness” was more appropriately applied to prejudices and abusive language, and that global warming denial is simply a reluctance to contemplate change.
I accept that as a baby boomer, I’ve had a good life, and the very least I can do for my kids and their kids is to take the science seriously.
Not to do so would be a final act of selfishness, ( IMVHO)

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[GWAYGWAY]

A conspiracy theory? Maybe a conspiracy if you like: but not a theory.
As you appear to be a believer in AGW you are probably a non-scientist, so I'll make it simple:

1) Beers Law. The Beer-Lambert law states bascially that if you paint something that is already black, black, it doesn't matter how much you paint it because it's still black.
The CO2 in the atmosphere already filters out ALL the IR it is capable of. Adding twice as much, ten times as much has the same effect: It's all filtered.
Beers law therefore states that CO2 increase is IRRELEVANT. This is basic physics.

2. Clouds: Clouds account for around 2/3rds of the earth albedo: More cloud = more solar energy reflected = cooler earth. Less cloud = more sun = hotter earth. The IPCC in their AR4 paper (Read it please) guesses the total albedo to be between 0.30 and 0.33 of earth.
A 1% albedo change is the total amount of 'forcing' predicted by the IPCC within certain error conditions. Because climate scientists cannot and do not predict cloud movements they do not and cannot predict how much solar energy reaches the earth, therefore their models cannot and do not work.

Over the past 20 odd years of AGW scaremongering 98% of their models have been WRONG. Please feel free to discuss the physics behind AGW with me, it's an interesting subject that I have looked into and feel qualified to comment upon, without or without your fear of the phrase 'conspiracy theory' which many people use to proclaim "There have never been any cospiracies". Guy Fawkes and Bernie Madoff would agree with you BTW LOL


But what is my 'bit'? If the major problem is WAR then surely my 'bit' is to point out these illegal, immoral, polluting wars - is it not? Is awareness of a problem not the first step in curing it?

So it appears that I am ALREADY doing my bit, thank-you for noticing!

Most of the scientists that put their name on global warming reports are from NOAA and NASA if they do not do as they are told to they lose the wellpaying job or research grants etc.
CO2 effect on warming is expidentia and to increse the last increase requires twice the rise in CO2 and four times next etc.. Plants are fed it in the new closed greenhouses to give better yields.

 

[EuroTrotters]

There is one tin hat who idles outside my daughters house on the school run. Winter and summer, window open.

So annoying.

Like Jim says, some handbooks suggest allowing the engine to idle after heavy driving. Mine used to suggest this. Something to do with allowing turbo bearings and engine to cool .

 

[SpeedyDux]

It’s ok it’s reported that Elton John has made a carbon neutral donation to off set it for them.

Sounds like a gesture for PR purposes. It encourages Harry and Meghan (and other rich elite polluters) to continue their jetsetting lifestyle regardless.

I'm hopeful that public opinion and St Greta of the Thunderbox might help to curb their extravagance. One day, maybe, we will have a cycling monarchy that cares about the environment.

 

[GPW]

the very least I can do for my kids and their kids is to take the science seriously.

For me taking the science seriously means studying it and reading the IPCC's AR4 report. Have you done that?

If not, perhaps by 'taking the science seriously' you mean 'believing the executive summary politicians and media commentators told you at face value'. This happened with Iraq and Libya BTW - guess what - they were wrong. Two less countries to visit. Millions dead. Animal, insect and plant life destroyed, pollutants released, especially depleted uranium with a half life of 4.5 bn years. Science is supposed to start with data and facts: The data and facts tells us that WAR is destroying the environment, and the growth based debt money financial system is driving it.

The Beers Lambert law is very clear, as is the inability of climate scientists even to guess the correct albedo to without specifying a huge error range. 0.30 to 0.33 represents an error of around 10% - the effect they are trying to estimate is around 0.5% to 1%.

Can you see the problem? How can they pick on CO2 when one side of the equilibrium equation is missing? This is the equation:

Solar heat in = Earth heat out + delta heat forcing

The IPCC claim CO2 is trapping heat and this increasing the delta heat forcing term, but THEY DON'T KNOW the Solar heat in. This is basic algebra, they use an unknown value, and an estimated value and then come up with a forcing that they then attribute - again with no evidence and contrary to that popular law of physics - Beer-Lambert - to man producing CO2, against the evidence of the Vostok Ice Cores.

An additional problem is that the IPCC's forcings case for warming with a mean error applied was around 0.5C, but according to the climate scientists we are already about 0.5C warmer (they keep making the past colder in general to achieve this, and position new sensors near tarmac, runways etc) - so according to them 0.5C (predicted) - 0.5C (seen) = 0.0C left to worry about.

Additionally even the BBC has had to admit that greater CO2 has caused higher crop and tree growth, creating not only more abundant food but a strong negative feedback factor.

Then there is the Vostok ice core samples, that track temperature and CO2, ALL of them show that the temperature moves first, then the CO2 moves later in response. This confirms when Beer-Lambert tells us and illustrates the known physics that heating the seas releases CO2 as an indicator: not a driver.

You really have to avoid jumping on these bandwagons of scientists searching for grant funding from a government who jumps on the 'green' bandwagon of Global Warming. The SAME government that helped bomb Yugoslavia for the Albanians and Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen etc causing endless pollution and CO2, and brought in the scrappage scheme that took a lot of perfectly good cars off the road to boost the car manufacters. How green.

Today we see our tree hugging government try to start a war with Iran - tell me, how many journeys to Tesco can you make in a 4x4 to use up the fuel of a single burning supertanker or a single burning oil well that we set fire to in kuwait, Iraq, Syria etc?

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I'm reluctant to believe I'm the problem when the same government who lectures me on emissions has personally set dozens of oil wells on fire - some of these burn for MONTHS.

 

[PeteH]

When Marine Engines started to employ Turbocharging, it was common to have a header tank somewhere high up in the engine room to supply the turbocharger(s). The capacity of these tanks was sufficient to continue to supply oil to the bearings and cooling for said chargers for period of often in excess of 10 min, after "Finish with Engines". This was considered necessary in order to prevent damage.

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