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[dunnah01]

these comments are just making me laugh more and more... Sorry I'm causing society such a problem.

yes it's reasonable....

Why?

because no one else wants the work, my local relable old school mechanic who has looked after my vans for 20 +years, (other funsters use him) charges about 80 per hour for his skills.

He said he can look at it, but no guaruntee as he is not sure of the Hab side of things, it might take him a couple of hours to fathom it out and still no guaruntee. His words, better going to someone who knows what they are dealing with.

So yes, it's perfectly reasonable to go there and pay for that knowledge.

I had a dentist for years and years, all of a sudden I NEEDED new teeth, implants all over and loads or reconstruction work. My dentist despite being an implantologist had to refer me to a specialist, a leading surgeon and implantologist, it cost as much as that 5 year old motorhome you quote. I could have course gone to Turkey and got Dr Butcher to do the work for 15k -- I suspect 3 years later I would be going back to the same specialist i went to anyway, maybe? it was worth paying the huge cost to get it done properly, the results are amazing, I paid her for her extradoinary skills in the works she done.

You are all assuming I am happy to pay this cost, I'm not chaser is correct, I might get there and they might start the clock whilst drinking coffee and smoking woodbines, I might find that the 1 hour allowed him to lift the carpets and open the bonnet, or, I might find that they find a simple solution in record time in which case, the £160 will be very very reasonable. We will know next week when I update the other thread. What I do know, is that the help of several funsters on that thread has helped hopefully narrow it down as I can go in and say here's what I have checked, here's how the system works etc etc...

On another thread, I asked about the cost of a service (from this same company) and posted the price. It was in my view too expensive and many others said the same. Some said it was the going rate. It's expensive because many people have that skill and are prepared to do it. whereas this, is different.

Pay me £160/hr + VAT + sundries and I'd have a go at sorting it

 

[Landy Andy]

these comments are just making me laugh more and more... Sorry I'm causing society such a problem.

yes it's reasonable....

Why?

because no one else wants the work, my local relable old school mechanic who has looked after my vans for 20 +years, (other funsters use him) charges about 80 per hour for his skills.

He said he can look at it, but no guaruntee as he is not sure of the Hab side of things, it might take him a couple of hours to fathom it out and still no guaruntee. His words, better going to someone who knows what they are dealing with.

So yes, it's perfectly reasonable to go there and pay for that knowledge.

I had a dentist for years and years, all of a sudden I NEEDED new teeth, implants all over and loads or reconstruction work. My dentist despite being an implantologist had to refer me to a specialist, a leading surgeon and implantologist, it cost as much as that 5 year old motorhome you quote. I could have course gone to Turkey and got Dr Butcher to do the work for 15k -- I suspect 3 years later I would be going back to the same specialist i went to anyway, maybe? it was worth paying the huge cost to get it done properly, the results are amazing, I paid her for her extradoinary skills in the works she done.

You are all assuming I am happy to pay this cost, I'm not chaser is correct, I might get there and they might start the clock whilst drinking coffee and smoking woodbines, I might find that the 1 hour allowed him to lift the carpets and open the bonnet, or, I might find that they find a simple solution in record time in which case, the £160 will be very very reasonable. We will know next week when I update the other thread. What I do know, is that the help of several funsters on that thread has helped hopefully narrow it down as I can go in and say here's what I have checked, here's how the system works etc etc...

On another thread, I asked about the cost of a service (from this same company) and posted the price. It was in my view too expensive and many others said the same. Some said it was the going rate. It's expensive because many people have that skill and are prepared to do it. whereas this, is different.

I don’t think any of this is a dig at you. It is just discussing the very high amounts of money all things now cost, especially when they go wrong. And this is made worse by manufacturers adding complicated things and keeping the information to themselves.

 

[busby]

As has been said you pay your money and take your choice, if you use a Fiat Professional workshop not only does the Fitter have support from others within the workshop but direct support from the Manufacturer. Go to a one man band for sure it will be cheaper but he doesn't have peer support or that of the manufacturer. I don't think it is about being brainwashed but where you choose to spend your money. Whilst you may not wish to pay for others within an organisation even a one man band deserves sufficient payment to cover their costs which includes pension and holidays etc.

Garage I use the owner has more knowledge regarding mechanics.electrics..electronics..fabrication..bodywork..welding and spraying than any Fiat Professional garage..I used Leyland Iveco Professional garage once when operating trucks...Once was enough. BUSBY..

 

[Nirvanauk]

I used Fiat Professional one. Never again. Only changed the fuel filter and I was dumping diesel all the way down the A1.

 

[chaser]

The laughable thing about all this, is people expecting fiats to not breakdown , they well deserved their old saying from their name,
Fix It Again Tomorrow.
They used to be the worst motor you could buy, a laughing stock , now 75% of hundred grand motorhomes are on a fiat.
And they then have the audacity to charge unbelievable amounts to keep the bloody things on the road.

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[busby]

The laughable thing about all this, is people expecting fiats to not breakdown , they well deserved their old saying from their name,
Fix It Again Tomorrow.
They used to be the worst motor you could buy, a laughing stock , now 75% of hundred grand motorhomes are on a fiat.
And they then have the audacity to charge unbelievable amounts to keep the bloody things on the road.

Thought that when I bought my 2010 Panda...bought it cheap 8 years ago as a stop gap.Never failed an M.O.T...never let me down..Can leave it standing for 8 weeks and it still starts..One of the cheapest most reliable fun cars I have owned.BUSBY.

 

[Coolcats]

Garage I use the owner has more knowledge regarding mechanics.electrics..electronics..fabrication..bodywork..welding and spraying than any Fiat Professional garage..I used Leyland Iveco Professional garage once when operating trucks...Once was enough. BUSBY..

Is that true though? The individual or individuals may be highly skilled and possibly ex employees of main dealers. But how do they up skill on the latest technology and electronics and how do they work with the manufacture in a fault ? The answer is they probably can’t.

 

[Coolcats]

I used Fiat Professional one. Never again. Only changed the fuel filter and I was dumping diesel all the way down the A1.

Can happen in any workshop, whoever worked on your vehicle may have been distracted. People are only human who knows they may just heard of a bereavement. Life is like that.

 

[Coolcats]

The laughable thing about all this, is people expecting fiats to not breakdown , they well deserved their old saying from their name,
Fix It Again Tomorrow.
They used to be the worst motor you could buy, a laughing stock , now 75% of hundred grand motorhomes are on a fiat.
And they then have the audacity to charge unbelievable amounts to keep the bloody things on the road.

your spot in with the reputation of Fiat, Alfa Romeo ( and at one time rusted before being delivered), how about Lancia

I hesitated buying a Fiat MoHo, and was going to buy a Mercedes but reading reviewing modern Fiats I changed my mind and took the plunge. One fault I had was an occasional hesitation and loss of power at roundabouts. Took it to a Fiat professional garage who updated the software and all was good. I wonder if a non Fiat dealer has access to such wizardry! Software and latest release notes and bug fixes are probably not generally available to Bobs Garage.

 

[busby]

Is that true though? The individual or individuals may be highly skilled and possibly ex employees of main dealers. But how do they up skill on the latest technology and electronics and how do they work with the manufacture in a fault ? The answer is they probably can’t.

Do you know I havnt a clue but he has just fitted a V8 yank engine in his forward control Landrover R.V..converted it to electronic fuel injection and tuning etc is all carried out on touch screens above the wind screen...He has only one qualification to his name ..M.O.T tester BUT you should see the quality of the 2 Hot Rods he shows ...the stainless steel exhausts he manufactures etc..Baffles me.BUSBY.

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[gus-lopez]

But how do they up skill on the latest technology and electronics and how do they work with the manufacture in a fault ?

Many can work it out far quicker than any dealer can.look at O'Reilly.He fixes stuff the dealers are telling people they "have no idea" or that they need 6k worth of repairs .

Can happen in any workshop, whoever worked on your vehicle may have been distracted. People are only human who knows they may just heard of a bereavement. Life is like that.

Where I worked if you got"distracted" & that happened you'd have been sacked. As to a 'bereavement' you are far more understanding than anyone I know?

 

[haganap]

Do you know I havnt a clue but he has just fitted a V8 yank engine in his forward control Landrover R.V..converted it to electronic fuel injection and tuning etc is all carried out on touch screens above the wind screen...He has only one qualification to his name ..M.O.T tester BUT you should see the quality of the 2 Hot Rods he shows ...the stainless steel exhausts he manufactures etc..Baffles me.BUSBY.

Many can work it out far quicker than any dealer can.look at O'Reilly.He fixes stuff the dealers are telling people they "have no idea" or that they need 6k worth of repairs .

Where I worked if you got"distracted" & that happened you'd have been sacked. As to a 'bereavement' you are far more understanding than anyone I know?

Ok can you tell me this then please.

Firstly as an aside, I love fiat's, I know many don't but overall my fiat MHs have been better than my Merc and and Iveco ones. Especially the tag axle 3.0l

But to get to your point...

I have a Fiat Panda 4x4 bought to use in he winter for nikki so we can garage her JCW mini Cooper convertible, basically the JCW is terrible in winter.

So the panda 4x4....probably the best pound for pound car to ever venture on to these shores... they are awesome.

My local garage looks after it, services etc it's a 2014 version.
However, it has a problem with a flashing milometer caused by a faulty blue tooth module. I removed the blue tooth module, and sent it to a company to repair. They repaired it for £95 common fault apparently.

However the vehicle now needs something called a proxy realignment carried out.
Can your hot rod man fix it?
I doubt it, anyone I've rang including the people who done the repair of the module say the same, this software is the property of fiat.
Fiat want an eye watering £273 to plug it in to their PC to resolve the issue. To date I've resisted it as I don't need the blue tooth and can live with a flashing milometer (see chaser i don't give in to everything )

No matter how skilled some of these mechanics are or what equipment they have, they all have diagnostic kit... some repairs are in the hands and code of the main dealer, do you think the thread on the gearbox update will be done by any of your guys? I doubt it..
Manufactures control what they let out, forcing Joe public to pay out...

Sometimes you have no choice, pay up (as in my HX) or ignore it and live with it (as in Panda?

 

[chaser]

Ok can you tell me this then please.

Firstly as an aside, I love fiat's, I know many don't but overall my fiat MHs have been better than my Merc and and Iveco ones. Especially the tag axle 3.0l

But to get to your point...

I have a Fiat Panda 4x4 bought to use in he winter for nikki so we can garage her JCW mini Cooper convertible, basically the JCW is terrible in winter.

So the panda 4x4....probably the best pound for pound car to ever venture on to these shores... they are awesome.

My local garage looks after it, services etc it's a 2014 version.
However, it has a problem with a flashing milometer caused by a faulty blue tooth module. I removed the blue tooth module, and sent it to a company to repair. They repaired it for £95 common fault apparently.

However the vehicle now needs something called a proxy realignment carried out.
Can your hot rod man fix it?
I doubt it, anyone I've rang including the people who done the repair of the module say the same, this software is the property of fiat.
Fiat want an eye watering £273 to plug it in to their PC to resolve the issue. To date I've resisted it as I don't need the blue tooth and can live with a flashing milometer (see chaser i don't give in to everything )

No matter how skilled some of these mechanics are or what equipment they have, they all have diagnostic kit... some repairs are in the hands and code of the main dealer, do you think the thread on the gearbox update will be done by any of your guys? I doubt it..
Manufactures control what they let out, forcing Joe public to pay out...

Sometimes you have no choice, pay up (as in my HX) or ignore it and live with it (as in Panda?

Yes but should you have to put up with this, when someone has paid out good money to buy something why should the manufacturer still have an hold of it and make you pay through the nose to keep it working.

 

[haganap]

Yes but should you have to put up with this, when someone has paid out good money to buy something why should the manufacturer still have an hold of it and make you pay through the nose to keep it working.

Suppose it's their right and intellectual patent they are looking after...not saying it's right, just what it is...
My point being, if you need something, you "have" no choice.

 

[gus-lopez]

Can your hot rod man fix it?
I doubt it, anyone I've rang including the people who done the repair of the module say the same, this software is the property of fiat.

should be able to

called a proxy realignment carried out.

Same as required for the airbag ecu.there are a few on here do there own using fiat multiscan. I'm sure dunnah01 does his own¿

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[Phill D]

I have had a look on multiecuscan and mine has several fiat panda but not a 4x4 or a 2014, my license was renewed within the last year.

 

[haganap]

should be able to

Same as required for the airbag ecu.there are a few on here do there own using fiat multiscan. I'm sure dunnah01 does his own¿

I have had a look on multiecuscan and mine has several fiat panda but not a 4x4 or a 2014, my license was renewed within the last year.

exactly, they do not do the proxy realignment for the Panda 4x4 You can multieuscan pretty much every bit of it but not the proxy realignement. main dealer only for that bit.

 

[haganap]

exactly, they do not do the proxy realignment for the Panda 4x4 You can multieuscan pretty much every bit of it but not the proxy realignement. main dealer only for that bit.

just further reading on the fiat forum, and I think it's something to do with having the ability to change the mileage on the vehicle? possibly why it's an MD job but who knows, and not sure why it should be.

 

[haganap]

Think I might give these guys a miss and why you might decide to go to a main dealer.​

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[Phill D]

Think I might give these guys a miss and why you might decide to go to a main dealer.​

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MES editionRegisteredAdapters availableKKL, ELM, OBDLink and EOBD Cable Sets. Also FOXWELL NT301
Full and always latest MES version, KKL, ELM, OBDLink and EOBD Cable Sets. Also FOXWELL NT301.

By appointment only - contact via PM

NOTES!

1. This offer can be withdrawn at any time

2. You take full liability and responsibility. You may have to sign to this effect (see 4 and 5)

3. No 3 pin connector ability - all required units to be tested must be accessible via the 16 pin EOBD socket OR you bring your own 3 pin adaptor cable

4. No key programming - (unless I let you do it yourself)

5. No Custom Data Proxi alignments - (unless I let you do it yourself)

With 4) and 5) there is always the possibility that your vehicle will be immobilised and require recovery which you should always be aware of. If you choose/decide you want to do these yourself, and I let you, then it will be done suitably parked in the road or preferably next to fairly local Fiat dealer.

That’s a real admission that they don’t want to do the work

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