Hooooooowwwwwww much!!!!!!!

[Silver-Fox]

I have a chap who is very reasonable but when you have vehicle’s with warranty on you have to go to thr main dealer

That’s not the case.

You can use an Indy garage providing it uses genuine parts and follows the service schedule.

 

[Diabalo]

Dunno why that posted again

 

[gus-lopez]

Dunno why that posted again

I thought I'd read it before.

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

Brake fluid change after 2 years

Top up I expect. Fuel filter will probably be the expensive one.
Mike.

 

[funflair]

That’s not the case.

You can use an Indy garage providing it uses genuine parts and follows the service schedule.

I agree but then we wouldn't have had the software update to the handbrake, yes why the hell does a handbrake need software

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[Silver-Fox]

I agree but then we wouldn't have had the software update to the handbrake, yes why the hell does a handbrake need software

Well you will buy these posh vans

 

[dunnah01]

It would be more than a tenner for brake fluid change.

The £300 labour would be mostly used on the brake fluid change

 

[Silver-Fox]

The £300 labour would be mostly used on the brake fluid change

Quite possibly but I’m saying they would be charging more than ten quid for a complete fluid change at their pricing surely.

 

[dunnah01]

Top up I expect. Fuel filter will probably be the expensive one.
Mike.

£10 worth of fluid to top up

 

[dunnah01]

Quite possibly but I’m saying they would be charging more than ten quid for a complete fluid change at their pricing surely.

I think we're saying the same thing - The cost would be £10 parts and a good chunk of labour to change the fluid properly. If just vacuumed out or topped up then it's a pointless exercise

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[Silver-Fox]

I think we're saying the same thing - The cost would be £10 parts and a good chunk of labour to change the fluid properly. If just vacuumed out or topped up then it's a pointless exercise

Crossed wires a bit.

Yes I agree the Labour would be around a hour no doubt.
But the fluid would be more than a tenner at garage prices full retail.

 

[nicholsong]

The main stealers have all the fancy showrooms, secretaries, coffee machines etc etc.

That’s what your paying for
It certainly isn’t the grease monkeys wages, even if the call them technicians

And the man with the white coat and a clipboard who will not let you talk to the mechainc who actually did the work.

And do they return the changed parts for you to see? Probably not, but places I have used in UK and Poland do.

 

[Silver-Fox]

And the man with the white coat and a clipboard who will not let you talk to the mechainc who actually did the work.

And do they return the changed parts for you to see? Probably not, but places I have used in UK and Poland do.

You may also be surprised how many parts and fluids make it home to some mechanics homes for a weekend service cobble

A known practice in the past.

 

[Insider]

Ducato manual for my 2016 say brake fluid every 2 years irrespective of mileage. I know I know but maybe descending from a few thousand meters up with a few ton might be the reason...???

 

[Silver-Fox]

Ducato manual for my 2016 say brake fluid every 2 years irrespective of mileage. I know I know but maybe decending from a few thousand meters up with a few ton might be the reason...???

I see where you’re coming from but I had cars in the past that were driven with enthusiasm that was probably running donkeys years old brake fluid.

This changing fluid seems to be a more modern phenomenon.

A nice little tickle for the main stealers.

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[activecampers]

Fuel filter

My service, £485 for my20, 1st service, motorhome place but fiat pro, the van was in workshop for 3-4 hours.

Importantly, the ECU was updated to v32 software and driveability is 10x better (economy, power delivery, low down torque) - hugely better than prior to service. I'm sure lots if not all is down to ECU update as it was instant improvement. (6000 miles). though it did clock 10,000km at the same time so may've been different map.

Search here and fiat forums the perils of not getting ECU updated. Seems to have caused issues in the non ad blue euro 6 ducatos. Sadly, thats what you get for not getting a fiat pro garage doing the work and getting the full updates.

Ducato P0401 P0402 P0236 P0238 and limp mode its 2017 Euro 6, EGR changed, What do I check next | FIAT Ducato

Van is 2017 Euro 6 bought new , now with 26K on clock. Problems started this summer with dash engine light and code P0401 appeared on a country lane at low speed going into a corner so it would be low airflow going in to the engine as it wasn’t ‘working’. Bought FCR and cleared fault, happened...

www.fiatforum.com

Pay your money, take your choice - but on a ££££ van - why be tight and DIY or local garage when the engines can be finikity b**gers?

DYOR etc

IMO the parts were fair priced, and the labour was v fair - as I say it was in the workshop for ages and engine stopped/restarted many times (assuming for ecu updates), and a full test drive that I asked them to do (as I wasn't happy with power/torque pre service). Joys of tracker.

Annoying, but comfortable paying that knowing it was done thoroughly and with care

 

[EuroTrotters]

Thought I would share this as it caused a very sharp intake of breath.

Swift 674 Motorhome 2020 on a Fiat Ducato 2.3 euro 6, first service (mileage just under 6,000)

Quote from Haynes in Maidstone: £575.44!!!

The labour alone was £250 + VAT
List of chargeable parts (+ VAT)
Oil filter £15 (fair)
Gasket £4 (fair)
Filtering element £47
Unspecified filter £56
Air filter £34
Brake fluid £10
Sundries £5
Oil £60 (fair)

I was in the motor trade for 12 years up until 2002, and it looks to me like they are quoting for a high mileage, major service, but even so, £250 for labour!

I will decline, not just on price but also because it seems to me that they haven’t got a clue.

All about covering costs these days for many of us in business. That and liabilities.

One of my jobs is maintaining million pound printer cooling systems. . I did a job for one company at £8,000, saving the company a further £8,000 on the authorised agents £16,000 price for the same job

When the company was taken over, they refused to pay my charges. Stating “ you are only down the road”. So when they were shocked by the sole UK Agents price for coming from London. They came back to me cap in hand. I told them I was too busy and they suffered the London agents costs.

Another small job on other cooling systems, I quoted £75 + VAT inspection charge . Including travel, and unlimited time, fixed price. They said I was too expensive, so called the main agent, again from London . The agent charged them £250+VAT initial visit including 30 mins time on the job. But, £6, yes SIX POUNDS per minute plus VAT.

 

[Silver-Fox]

Importantly, the ECU was updated to v32 software and driveability is 10x better (economy, power delivery, low down torque) - hugely better than prior to service. I'm sure lots if not all is down to ECU update as it was instant improvement. (6000 miles). though it did clock 10,000km at the same time so may've been different map.

Would you not get an ECU remap even without having to get the service done.

Just wondering.

 

[activecampers]

Would you not get an ECU remap even without having to get the service done.

Just wondering.

I'm sure you can ask for just that and pay for it. It wasn't a remap, it was ECU software update. Hope that makes sense. Would have a cost for sure.

The service included the fiat software reads/updates. Parts were the correct ones and fair price. And labour wasn't expensive. For me, it was worth it for the warrantee and confidence of a well serviced van when we do 5000+ mile trips.


edit: to be clear, post service/update the van drove 10x better in many ways - which I can only put down to the updates as there was nothing "wrong" prior (e.g. computer readouts on test drives showed the engine was doing what the computer requested - e.g. fueling/turbo & ego positions/boost levels etc). Of course, can't *prove* it was ECU update, may've just been a "relearn" of default values post update, or clocking 10000km and changing out of running in map (if it has one) or changing to another map post 1st service. No idea on the details - but the results are fine and I'd have paid more for the driveability improvement lol

 

[Hagstrom]

Oil change plus oil filter change on 2020 Ducato at FIAT Professional garage, York. Oil £85, filter £15, both inclusive of VAT. Total bill £324 inc VAT. Labour must therefore be £200+ per hour as it can't be more than one hour's work?

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[Silver-Fox]

I'm sure you can ask for just that and pay for it. It wasn't a remap, it was ECU software update. Hope that makes sense. Would have a cost for sure.

I can’t see a charge for the ECU remap/update so I’m guessing that’s due to the age of your vehicle?

At the end of the day if your happy with the service and what you’ve paid alls good

 

[bobnick]

Had a oil and filter change on our van at 6000 miles (6 months). £145
When the proper service is due i will deffo be shopping around, and they will deffo be told NOT to change the brake fluid.

 

[activecampers]

I can’t see a charge for the ECU remap/update so I’m guessing that’s due to the age of your vehicle?

At the end of the day if your happy with the service and what you’ve paid alls good

They said that they link to their Fiat Pro computer which checks stuff, codes, recalls etc, and updates any ECUs necessary as part of the service. (Service price was *exactly* as quoted). So no extra charge, just part of the service. Which you can't get except from a Fiat Pro service place. (Mine was a motorhome dealer/service that were fiat professional rated, not a main dealer)

No mention of age

 

[Stealaway]

My garage would only change the brake fluid after testing it for the water contamination. I thought it was the regular procedure these days. The testers has been available for years

 

[Sapper520]

They said that they link to their Fiat Pro computer which checks stuff, codes, recalls etc, and updates any ECUs necessary as part of the service. (Service price was *exactly* as quoted). So no extra charge, just part of the service. Which you can't get except from a Fiat Pro service place. (Mine was a motorhome dealer/service that were fiat professional rated, not a main dealer)

No mention of age

That’s interesting about better performance.

I had my two year service done last week at a Fiat Professional Garage, £305. The van was fine before I took it in, but after the service it felt a lot better. I checked that Updates were part of the service, and they said Updates had been done.

It definitely feels nippier now. I’ll keep an eye on Fuel figures etc.

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[Nirvanauk]

Oil change plus oil filter change on 2020 Ducato at FIAT Professional garage, York. Oil £85, filter £15, both inclusive of VAT. Total bill £324 inc VAT. Labour must therefore be £200+ per hour as it can't be more than one hour's work?

Have taken my ducato based van into them 3 times now. After first service it dumped diesel all the way down the A1. Had to have a complete fuel filter asembly unit fitted .£400 . second time engine management light on they said said it needed an air filter, light back on! Third time needs sensors changed. No joy. Bloody useless.

 

[activecampers]

That’s interesting about better performance.

I had my two year service done last week at a Fiat Professional Garage, £305. The van was fine before I took it in, but after the service it felt a lot better. I checked that Updates were part of the service, and they said Updates had been done.

It definitely feels nippier now. I’ll keep an eye on Fuel figures etc.

Where did you go if you don't mind me asking? Thats a good price if they did the same as mine.
Prior, my 160ps felt more like 120. Felt choked at low revs and could barely hold cruise in 6th. Power seemed very weak below 2000rpm. Economy was 30+ generally but on a long trip through france (Winter) was 27.5 . As I said earlier, laptop connected and the engine was 100% happy - all sensors working and all "demanded" settings were delivered - so it wasn't a physical problem (TTBOMK)
I was verging on a rolling road session as there is no way the engine was delivering the expected/advertised tourque/power.

Post service, it will pull like a train from <1500, cruise in 6th easily, smoother power from low to high.
It now feels like 160 and matches the torque/power curves that are advertised.

Last long trip (summer) did around 34mpg

Of course too many things changed at the same time as mentioned above to be 100% sure and the comparisons are not identical. But I'm happy and thats all that matters!

 

[cmcardle75]

I agree but then we wouldn't have had the software update to the handbrake, yes why the hell does a handbrake need software

My Hyundai Kona could use a software update to the handbrake. It actually has a couple of software faults, such as disengaging autohold when you press park, only auto-applying the handbrake on shutdown if autohold is enabled and not-reenabling autohold on startup if previously selected.

 

[funflair]

My Hyundai Kona could use a software update to the handbrake. It actually has a couple of software faults, such as disengaging autohold when you press park, only auto-applying the handbrake on shutdown if autohold is enabled and not-reenabling autohold on startup if previously selected.

Luckily ours was working OK before the update and hopefully still is, the tech guy/grease monkey thought it "might" be something to do with the pressure that the system applies to the shoes as they had seen some that looked to have been overtightened and bent something.

 

[Sapper520]

Where did you go if you don't mind me asking? Thats a good price if they did the same as mine.
Prior, my 160ps felt more like 120. Felt choked at low revs and could barely hold cruise in 6th. Power seemed very weak below 2000rpm. Economy was 30+ generally but on a long trip through france (Winter) was 27.5 . As I said earlier, laptop connected and the engine was 100% happy - all sensors working and all "demanded" settings were delivered - so it wasn't a physical problem (TTBOMK)
I was verging on a rolling road session as there is no way the engine was delivering the expected/advertised tourque/power.

Post service, it will pull like a train from <1500, cruise in 6th easily, smoother power from low to high.
It now feels like 160 and matches the torque/power curves that are advertised.

Last long trip (summer) did around 34mpg

Of course too many things changed at the same time as mentioned above to be 100% sure and the comparisons are not identical. But I'm happy and thats all that matters!

Hutton’s, just outside Weston-super-Mare. That didn’t include a brake fluid change though.

Ours is the 140bhp, manual gearbox.

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