Help needed! Broken down in 35C France... Turbocharger maybe??

yodeli said:
YoungDave I had the garage, they understood perfectly what the problem is , and said if they can find the part quickly it should be ready by wednesday. Finding the part is the main thing. They can't make a quote until they see the Moho, but then you will have it quickly.
If any problem to understand each other they will contact me so you don't use your English phone! (y):dance2:

They are waiting for you on Monday as said!

Job done as far as I am concerned!;):p:Grin::sun::sun::sun:

Amicalement
Frankie:party3:
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Well done Bill and Jean Claude can stand down lol ( do u know that expression in English ?)
 
Hi Dave.

Sorry to hear of your woes :(
From your description of the problem it sounds like the Turbo......have a good look around it and make sure all hoses pipes attached to it are tight and fitted correctly.

Good luck mate.
 
airwave said:
Many people who buy a vehicle , will only look under the bonnet once , as if just to say , engine , yeah check , shut the bonnet , and never look in there again . Yet , when it let's them down , which at some point it will , they will curse it to high heaven and back again . I know this , i've actually seen it . They have more important thing's to do , like travel to the seaside or a drive in the country , can't afford the time to spend on a mere car . My younger brother is one of them , "don't do cars" he say's , yet he's always complaining he has no money , hmmmm , connection maybe ? . Many garages refer to these people as "happy if it had four wheels" customers , you could sell anything so long as it had four wheels . Ironically many don't even know where the spare wheel is , so lets not get involved with actually changing the dam thing . My brother at least does and can , whether he actually would is another matter . We were both brought up with engines , our dad was ex-military , from the last war . Part of his duties were maintaining the vehicles he drove , and he passed some of that knowledge on to us , well at least , he tried . Like others , we had more important things to do , too . However all that changed when i brought a motorbike . It was brand new and from one of the then big four companies , but needed constant attention , and i was forced to pay attention . The flame was lit , though i will admit it took a bit of time .
I was 17 then , and have been dabbling with engines ever since . I moved on to cars , "exactly the same , only four of everything" , my dad would say , however it's only really got serious in the last 20 years or so .

Now i won't bore you anymore except to say , it's never too late to learn . The single biggest improvement you can make to any engine , is change the oil . This is the lifeblood of the thing , yet many don't bother . I was taught the more you change it , the better . Old oil will not give the protection , and will cause greater engine wear , than anything else , I have in the past , removed oil that resembled treacle , horribly thick black gooee stuff . Just try and imagine that on starting your engine , it's not gonna reach vital parts of the engine , let alone the turbo . Oil should flow , will this stuff , and it's in your engine . Oh and don't be fooled by this long life stuff either . That should start a debate ! . :reel: weeeeeeeeee .

Like mine , your engine is old generation . I change my oil twice a year , i also change the filter at the same time , and just for good measure i run an oil flusher through the system too . It's an easy job and a good place to start . Almost instantly you begin to make friends with your engine , knowing where the oil goes in , where it comes out , where the filter is . Hah , i'm guessing you already know where the dipstick is , sorry , i'm sure you do , but you see where i'm coming from . The other filters are just as easy , but one step at a time , huh .
Another job , that has an added hidden benefit , but is equally as easy , is cleaning the engine . Without the crud it will run slightly cooler , which benefits the oil . It will look better , a leak will show sooner , and should you ever need to put the van into a garage . A mechanic could be more inclined to help , if they open the lid and see a clean engine inside . After all , no one likes working in dirty conditions . A mechanic has a dirty job anyway , why make it worst . I've had a couple of mot examiners comment of my vehicles and a garage owner say it cleaner than his . This job is simple , get some degreaser from a motorist shop . Gunk is one brand , a brush , and a hose . By brush i mean paint brush , 1-2 inch is fine , but if your really serious a collection of sizes is better , and if you have a pressure washer , so much the better . Don't set about , trying to do the whole thing in one go , it's a bloody big motor . Set about areas , your soon finish it , and the bits you have done will spur you on . Don't let the water near electrics , open fuses , battery , work carefully round them . General engine electrics will take splashing , but don't aim directly at them . Another benefit to cleaning the engine , is your beginning to examine it too . Cleaning a pipe and you see wear , one to keep an eye on , a nick maybe one to replace , one that comes away in your hand , err hello ! . As i say , making friends . I know this sounds silly , but it's true , you start to associate different parts of the engine , you may not know what they do yet , but you know they are there and where they go . Remind me again , how did i get involved in this thread ! .
None of these are expensive , an oil change with filter and flusher oil , should cost around 50 quid , points from your engine , priceless . I would recommend buying the proper tools , the sump plug is easily damaged , but replacements are available on ebay , actually the first thing i brought for mine , and get a good quality oil . I use Castrol , but the shop will help you out there , just remember your turbo , they need a higher grade . As for reading material , hmmm , now that's a difficult one , quite frankly , there ent one for these engines . The one i've got is more penguin book than service manual , but it is useful to me . It's far from complete , and a bit mixed up into the bargain . Maybe suggest , reading the mechanical section on fun , there's a lot to read and they cover an awful lot of subjects . But don't be afraid to ask questions , even on an old thread !
Oh and when i say getting to know your engine , i don't mean in a literal sense . I do not , wanna to see a post from your missis , saying "he's talking to that bloody engine again" , either . It's not that kinda care . Flowers might , the jury's out on that one , engines , hmmmm , nah !
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airwave that seems like incredibly sage advice - thank you. I am most certainly going to start cleaning my engine - and regularly changing its oil!

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YoungDave said:
airwave that seems like incredibly sage advice - thank you. I am most certainly going to start cleaning my engine - and regularly changing its oil!
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You would be amazed to see the state of some engines. Fairly new vehicles, a year or 2 out of warranty and people just stop getting them serviced. The vehicle starts, runs and does as asked until suddenly, it doesn't. Then the owner starts slagging the vehicle off as a piece of junk and baulks at the high bill to repair it. Bottom line though it is the owner's fault for neglecting the vehicle. And the cumulative cost of a couple of years servicing would have been cheaper and a lot less hassle than repairing a neglected vehicle

The problem is that it was never deliberate, just no warranty to comply with or reminders from the dealer to service the vehicle. It is just so easy to forget stuff in the course of normal life and the only time many cars get looked over at a garage is the annual MOT.

Moving on, people are far too trusting when they buy vehicles and look at the shiny bodywork and comfy seats. That so called full service history is just a handfull of stamps in a book. What you should be looking for is a folder of receipts for work done. One very good reason that anyone who knows about vehicles checks back through the MOT history online to see how well the vehicle has been cared for, indicated by fails and advisories
 
These are light commercial vehicles and need servicing, how many obtain a service schedule and take note of it. Garages can be the owners saviour or downfall, so often the phrase used is "check" customer thinks that item has been checked, well think again may be adequate on a new vehicle or one three years old (maybe) however past that it's often quite inadequate, it's worthy of note many base vehicle manufacturers support spare parts for no more than 7 years, thus they consider a 10 year old chassis as past it's sell by date the courier industry rarely keeps a vehicle for 3 years if that.
My point is develop your own schedule of servicing, and replacements, hoses do not last for ever as with other components, such as hub and wheel bearings, brake hoses wheel cylinders etc etc. Take a view and schedule replacement not hope it will last. With limited use oil replacement in my view is vital on a calendar basis not mileage. Finally an MOT is not assurance of reliability or serviceability, merely a snap shot in a very small window of time and then to a very basic standard.
 
Clipgate said:
These are light commercial vehicles and need servicing, how many obtain a service schedule and take note of it. Garages can be the owners saviour or downfall, so often the phrase used is "check" customer thinks that item has been checked, well think again may be adequate on a new vehicle or one three years old (maybe) however past that it's often quite inadequate, it's worthy of note many base vehicle manufacturers support spare parts for no more than 7 years, thus they consider a 10 year old chassis as past it's sell by date the courier industry rarely keeps a vehicle for 3 years if that.
My point is develop your own schedule of servicing, and replacements, hoses do not last for ever as with other components, such as hub and wheel bearings, brake hoses wheel cylinders etc etc. Take a view and schedule replacement not hope it will last. With limited use oil replacement in my view is vital on a calendar basis not mileage. Finally an MOT is not assurance of reliability or serviceability, merely a snap shot in a very small window of time and then to a very basic standard.
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i was on my fifth car when i found out engines dont come coated in oil and grease
 
Similar issue to my old van that happened to me on way to Birmingham NEC show, turned out to be the turbo and a split in the manifold.

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Before retiring in technical export marketing I used to translate lengthy techy documentation into French or German to give to groups of engineers abroad when I was presenting new products to them or to new distributors.
Literal technical translations from the English are often nonsense or the term required is a very specialised word unique to that language, product or technology. My solution was to search competitors' techy manuals/illustrated parts lists or in the OP's case refer to that vehicle's manual in the local language required, found on the Web. I appreciate that it would be a bit of a faff, especially for a stressed OP on a foreign pitch.
 
YoungDave

Perhaps what is needed is a Haynes manual in French, they are available but the one I've found is the 2.8jtd. I've no idea if it is similar.

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YoungDave said:
airwave that seems like incredibly sage advice - thank you. I am most certainly going to start cleaning my engine - and regularly changing its oil!
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Good man , the motor will reward you for that . The basic lump we have fitted is pretty much bulletproof , but only if you look after it . Feed it clean air , clean fuel , change the oil and basically it will run forever . It's the extra bits that will let you down , things like the cooling system , exhaust , turbo , oh and lets not forget the gearbox . The most likely thing , that will stop you is the fuel system , I know i said clean air and fuel , i don't mean together , get air in the fuel system and that will stop any diesel . Old fuel lines can cause that .
We don't have the fancy stuff like egr valves , electronic ignition , or dpf filters . They are major parts that will stop any engine , but they are things a diesel don't need , yet they are being built into the modern diesel , with the result of making a reliable engine , unreliable . Hell , with a small modification , and the removal of one small component , our engines will even run without a battery , so why would you need an alternator . Now i do mean run here , starting is another issue .
Don't get worried about parts , a comment has been made regarding availability . Yes it true , but the first to go is usually trim . Body panels will be next , followed by mechanical . You can forget the first two as we are custom anyway , and though some parts are becoming short , their mostly in the electrical dept , most mechanical parts are still generally available . Right now , i've got my engine in bits , overhauling the cooling system . I will admit , some hoses have been a struggle , but i have sourced all but 2 . I can't find those anywhere , so i'm gonna have to make them . I'm just waiting on a water seal , so i can get it all back together again . I'm also replacing the four bolts holding the water pump on , but again only because i gave them so much grief while removing them . It's standard practice for me , they could snap if i have to remove them again . Last year , i found a small weep from a wheel cylinder in the rear brakes , that lead to a full overhaul of the rear braking system . Pretty much everything from the fuel tank back is new . Only the hub back plate , and 3 way divider are original . Even these parts can be sourced fairly easy . Some of those parts replaced didn't actually need replacement , corrosion forced the issue .

Once you get over your first maintenance job , maybe the air filter could be next . More simple than an oil change , and not even any tools required . Then maybe a fuel filter , though this is a little more involved , so it maybe better for you to sing out , before trying that one . If you read some of the old threads , you should see what i mean . But lets not run before we can walk here .
One thing i did forget to mention for the oil change is a filter removal tool . From what your saying , i would guess it's possible this could be seized . That tool will solve that issue before it even becomes one .

But for now your on holiday , it would appear your problem is now well in hand , so you enjoy the rest of it .

TheBig1 said:
The problem is that it was never deliberate, just no warranty to comply with or reminders from the dealer to service the vehicle.
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I'm sorry mate , i fully agree with pretty much everything you have said , but i just can't agree with that one . Rarely do people who buy a new car , keep it any longer than 3 years , they sell or rather trade it , for another . The car goes to a second owner , where though some do , most have no intention of keeping up with servicing . Service history will sell the car , as they will have little or no knowledge of mechanics , and probably don't want any either . They won't intend keeping it long and of those that don't get written off , most will be moved along quite quick . Others , in the main family's however , will get caught by events that keep getting in the way , and so will continue to bounce along until the day it starts to cost real money , where they then out it , for another . They may add their own bills to the pile , mainly large mot repair bills , as they think it will add value . But , as it's merely a record of what they have spent , even that will stop , when they discover the car is worth less than they thought . The third owner ends up with a car that's basically worthless , so won't care , one way or the other . It's may actually get some form of servicing , but it will be by the owner . Likely repaired the same way , this is where the bodges start . If it makes the the forth owner , it's scrap , though probably still in good condition . Brought for hundreds instead of thousands , it will be run into the ground , or until something breaks that will cost more than the cars worth .
 
WJACC not a bad idea. My van is actually on the 1st Generation Ducato, which they don't seem to have, but they do have Citoren C25 which I believe is essentially the same van. Might bite the bullet for €30 to help things go smoothly.

What do you think yodeli ?

All the best,
YoungDave
 
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I found this but it says it's in German. I've been on a few french forums about Ducato , and some say The C25 has things in common with Ducato but not all.
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I have been reading with interest. A bit like a TV soap really. Like on a Wednesday night when Corri used to finish and wouldn't resume again until Monday. This site is amazing. You people are amazing. I can't include myself as I haven't anything to contribute, but just to know you are all there and willing to give up your time, assistance, and accommodate is beyond what I have been accustomed to on any other site. I am proud to be a member of this community. I am waiting for the next stage and have all my fingers and toes crossed. Pedro x
 
Thanks
yodeli said:
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I found this but it says it's in German. I've been on a few french forums about Ducato , and some say The C25 has things in common with Ducato but not all.
It was on this forum https://www.c25-j5-ducato.com/t1223-recherche-revue-technique-fiat-ducato-2-5-td-de-1993.htm
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yodeli . Maybe let's see what the garage says tomorrow and take things from there. Hopefully, if it's a fiat garage, he is used to the engines!

All the best,
YoungDave
 
YoungDave said:
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yodeli . Maybe let's see what the garage says tomorrow and take things from there. Hopefully, if it's a fiat garage, he is used to the engines!

All the best,
YoungDave
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YoungDave , don't worry too much , from what I have read the oil separator is not that much of a problem.
Losing pressure for the turbo seems to be the issue. Not due to any turbo failure but due to a pipe of connection coming off and limiting your boost.
I am sure it won't tun out so bad.
(speaking as a retired automotive design and development manager)
 
also at the age of your engine a possible cause of power loss is a part seized or stuck part open turbo wastegate its a little flap on the turbo which stops the turbo overboosting
 
airwave said:
Another job , that has an added hidden benefit , but is equally as easy , is cleaning the engine . Without the crud it will run slightly cooler , which benefits the oil . It will look better , a leak will show sooner , and should you ever need to put the van into a garage . A mechanic could be more inclined to help , if they open the lid and see a clean engine inside . After all , no one likes working in dirty conditions . A mechanic has a dirty job anyway , why make it worst . I've had a couple of mot examiners comment of my vehicles and a garage owner say it cleaner than his . This job is simple , get some degreaser from a motorist shop . Gunk is one brand , a brush , and a hose . By brush i mean paint brush , 1-2 inch is fine , but if your really serious a collection of sizes is better , and if you have a pressure washer , so much the better .
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I used to use Gunk until I was introduced to Jizer by some mechanic friends many years ago. Gunk looks brown and dirty before you start but Jizer is a sort of transparent rose pink sort of colour and therefore easier to see when you have rubbed it in with your brush and its turns dirty brown as it removes the oil and grease. just a slight word of warning - take care that all rubber boots intended to protect things like universal joints, bearings etc don't have any cuts in them or the degreasant will get in and will be removing grease or oil that you don't want removed!

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YoungDave said:
WJACC not a bad idea. My van is actually on the 1st Generation Ducato, which they don't seem to have, but they do have Citoren C25 which I believe is essentially the same van. Might bite the bullet for €30 to help things go smoothly.

What do you think yodeli ?

All the best,
YoungDave
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The vans are virtually the same, apart from the engine& gearbox. Fiat engine is completely different.
DP
 
Didn't Peugeot ,Fiat & Citroën all use the same 2,5 engine ? I thought it was only the 1,9 where peugeot & Citroën used one engine ,the pug, & Fiat used its own 149.B1 ?
 
Abacist said:
take care that all rubber boots intended to protect things like universal joints, bearings etc don't have any cuts in them or the degreasant will get in and will be removing grease or oil that you don't want removed!
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Whoa , really good spot , i completely missed that one ! . But , that is the point , lol , making friends with the engine . Sorry , i really must stop saying that , i've made the point . That should be spotted before , getting there . That's a replacement , if ever there was ! . Mot issue too .

To be honest , i mentioned Gunk , because that was the only one i could think of , off the cuff . It's a well know brand , and does work , plus most places stock it . Personally , i use a product called Marine clean , which i get from a car restoration company , near Manchester . It does a job i expect , and got a lemony tang to it . I was trying to make it easy to get hold of stuff , you don't want to be spending huge sums , when your starting out . It would also lead to discovering the local motorist centre .
 
Where are we up to with the repair and getting the van back on the road to its full glory??
 
Pedders said:
Where are we up to with the repair and getting the van back on the road to its full glory??
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Nope! .... I'm sure Dave will come along for an update. He will do it in a better English than me.

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Hi Jimbohorlicks , Pedders (and everyone else). Apolgoies for the lack of an update, have also been contending with a 3 way fridge with a mind of its own, helpfully addressed (I think) by both previous posts/resonses on here, as well as the assistance of royw , WJACC & yodeli.

Anyway - we visited the garage yesterday. They were really lovely and great people. WJACC thank you again for the recommendation. As an aside, it made me think that perhaps FUN could use a directory of recommended garages across the continent. We all have problems, and having a list of trusted places to go could be great? Perhaps this already exists and I have missed it? Anyway, one for Big Jim I suspect!

Alas, I digress. Back to the update.

Firstly, without yodeli who knows where I'd be. She deserves to be made a saint. With her kind assistance despite lots of other things going on, we managed to communicate that there was a problem with the turbo, that I had found a loose pipe/hose, refitted and it seemed to be okay. The mechanic took the van for a whirl, checked over all the pipes/hoses, and was happy with everything on that side of things. Great news, and pleased I'd managed to - in the end - fix that problem myself.

The catch can is however another matter. It needs replacing, the mechanic believes this is where the oil is coming from which is coating the rest of the engine which would make sense. The problem the garage is having is sourcing the part. I'm wondering whether any FUNsters - particularly the mechanically-minded of you - would know where I might be able to source one (and get shipped to the local garage)? yodeli reckons it might be easier to pick up parts in the UK vs here.

Does anyone have any useful ideas of suppliers? Google isn't being very helpful, maybe due to me being in France and searching in English.

Thanks everyone, and to all you other FUNsters for your useful comments. I've learnt a bunch from reading everyone's suggestions.

All the best,
YoungDave
 
This is who we use for parts There are many others.

What is the French term for what you are looking for? If you let me know the engine you have and the part you looking for I'll try on a French forum I'm a member of if anybody knows a stockist.

Also yodeli if you are part of a French camping car forum maybe people on their with similar engines etc. will tell you who the best suppliers are.

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