Had the letter box open - bonnet...

Yes
Total 7000 is the semi synthetic
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Techno said:
Yes
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Andy, on a slightly different tack, How long would you expect fresh oil to stay fresh looking , before it goes black, ie how many miles, how long in time? Within reason ? In a fairly young engine of less than 18,000 miles to date.

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As Mel said it only takes one drive and its black
 
Minxy Girl said:
Anyway, when you put oil in an engine I was always under the impression that as soon as you take it round the block it goes black so even if you took it out immediately it would look 'bad' so how can you tell the difference between oil that's been drained after a very short period of being in the engine and that which has been in for say 2 years?
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You use the taste test.

If it's fresh, it tastes, well, the best way to describe it is 'oily'.

If it's old, then, as Crocodile Dundee once said, "it tastes like sh*t"!

:xgrin:

Ian
 
Minxy Girl said:
when you put oil in an engine I was always under the impression that as soon as you take it round the block it goes black so even if you took it out immediately it would look 'bad' so how can you tell the difference between oil that's been drained after a very short period of being in the engine and that which has been in for say 2 years?
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This puts my mind at ease , as when we purchased our MH from a dealer they serviced it, ( well got the garage locally to service it ) , when we got it home after a few days i checked the oil level and the oil was as black as your boots.. but yet obviously you could see there had been a new oil filter fitted to it , so i'd be pretty sure the oil would also of been changed.
 
WillH said:
You say the van is only 18 months old, should have had an oil change and fluid check at 12 months. How was the coolant level then?
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Minxy Girl said:
The service interval is up to 2 years on newer ones.
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Both wrong on an imported vehicle first service is due at 45000km regardless of age but they recommend checking belts & brakes at 2 year intervals.
 
I change my oil every year... I've never been abe to go along with the manufacturer claims of hugely extended service intervals..
I , like John said earlier think it's driven by the eco lobby...and very attractive marketing...
I've no doubt modern oils are very good and breakdown is extended. .. but I see a year as long enough when I consider I used to do it every quarter on old diesels running mineral oil...
( it comes from a merchant navy engineering background ....where you were taught that the one thing that keeps an engine right was regular oil and filter changes ).. let's take an engine I'm familiar with ... the Ford transit... it has a hydraulic cam chain tensioner...
Why would I take a chance on that becoming sluggish due to the oil not doing its job.. oil change at what I consider to be a safe interval or risk the chain jumping teeth..
Shelf life may be fine if it stays in the tin but but once in the engine is subject to contamination ...
Each to their own and old habits that worked die hard I suppose...
Andy...

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Back to the op and antifreeze. .. I would just check with engine manufacturer and use a antifreeze to their spec. .
When I changed the coolant on a 08 ford engine a while back I thought I would just pop out and buy some antifreeze. .. that was a laugh....as I then learnt that the old glycol based mix wasn't suitable for that engine and could harm it if mixed...
Nothing srtright fwd these days...
Andy
 
Lenny HB said:
Both wrong on an imported vehicle first service is due at 45000km regardless of age but they recommend checking belts & brakes at 2 year intervals.
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I'm not saying the manufacturer recommends it or otherwise, the fluids should be checked and the oil changed because it's a good thing to do. (actually read the handbook, it probably recommends a fluid check every week).
 
WillH said:
I'm not saying the manufacturer recommends it or otherwise, the fluids should be checked and the oil changed because it's a good thing to do. (actually read the handbook, it probably recommends a fluid check every week).
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Sorry.. once again I disagree
It is NOT a good thing to change oil too often.
Every single modern oil has a detergent agent in it that dissipates over the first few thousand miles
Changing oil every five minutes means you are effectively and constantly running an engine on a detergent oil, and that, by any stretch of the imagination, is not good.
Why second guess the information supplied by the people who design and build the engines ?
The people who have spent millions of pounds over the years getting the best most reliable engine they can ..
Why would a manufacturer suggest a regime that would ( could ) cause damage to their product ?
I will stick to what ( in my case ) Fiat recommend..
 
Fiat are only passing on what the engine manufacturer has told them, probably the spec that Fiat gave them a few years ago. I, and many others, will continue to change our oil every year, we believe it is good for the engine, not detrimental as suggested. Modern oils may be very sophisticated, diesel engines still operate on the same principles so the oil gets dirty, holds metal and combustion particles, and the filter loses it's efficiency and drops the oil pressure.
 
WillH said:
Fiat are only passing on what the engine manufacturer has told them
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Errrrr .... don't Fiat make engines any more? I know the bigger ones used to come from Iveco, but always though the 2.3s were made by Fiat, or rather their subsidiary.

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I don't think any of the larger Sevel vans, i.e. Fiat, Citroen or Peugot have anything other than the revised Sofim engine, now called the Iveco though the smaller vans may do.
 
WillH said:
Fiat are only passing on what the engine manufacturer has told them, probably the spec that Fiat gave them a few years ago. I, and many others, will continue to change our oil every year, we believe it is good for the engine, not detrimental as suggested. Modern oils may be very sophisticated, diesel engines still operate on the same principles so the oil gets dirty, holds metal and combustion particles, and the filter loses it's efficiency and drops the oil pressure.
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What ever.. I am sorry but I will still stick with believing what manufacturers of modern engines tell me ( and that I have personal experience of as being correct )..

Fortunately it is a free world and if folk wanna increase oil company profits for no reason and at the risk of engine damage that is up to them..:xThumb:
 
peterc10 said:
Errrrr .... don't Fiat make engines any more? I know the bigger ones used to come from Iveco, but always though the 2.3s were made by Fiat, or rather their subsidiary.
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Iveco is totally owned by Fiat and the 2.3 is an Iveco engine.
 
Lenny HB said:
Iveco is totally owned by Fiat and the 2.3 is an Iveco engine.
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I do not think it is that simple any more Lenny.

They were part of Fiat that were "demerged" from Fiat in 2011, and called Fiat Industrial. That was then renamed CNH in 2013, who are the owners of Iveco now. CNH are now a separate publicly quoted company (on Rome and NY stock markets). However I suspect that Fiat have a good few shares still and are a lot closer to them than just any other customer. And I also suspect that when the new engines were being designed a few years ago there was a lot more input from Fiat than just listening to what Iveco told them about the engines.
 
In some ways believing what the manufacturer states is the best way forward, but who reads the manual these days? In the OP had the fluid levels been checked weekly as recommended the loss would have been noted much earlier. When presented with a new engine when I was working we would work out our own service and maintenance routine based on experience and previous knowledge of that engine type. Probably overkill, but only ever suffered two broken crankshafts in all that time. A change in servicing and operation, including more frequent changing of filters prevented any further losses in the following years, this was on Duetz engines of around 1400 - 1600 HP.

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Lenny HB said:
Both wrong on an imported vehicle first service is due at 45000km regardless of age but they recommend checking belts & brakes at 2 year intervals.
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If you read carefully you'll see I said "UP TO" 2 years ...
 
Lenny HB said:
And I said years has nothing too do with it, on an imported vehichle, but you do get stitched up on UK supplied ones.:xrofl:
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WOW ,WOW, WOW, i bet the OP is gonna go away from this thread knowing less than they did before they posted the question about Oil , so many different opinions and ofc as far as each poster is concerned they are CORRECT :) :)

EDIT : actually the op never even asked a question about oil :D
Noticed the coolant level is below min marker... Moho is 18mths old so not due for any kind of dealer/Fiat service...

It's been a long time since I faffed with engines, having had company cars for the last 25yrs of working life...

Apart from having to be a Gynaecologist to do anything on A Class engines.... Does one need to use "special" fluid or particular anitfreeze nowadays?... the liquid in tank is pink..

Or can I just top up with water like we used to do many years ago?
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