Had covid19? How do you think you caught it?

[movan]

I don't understand why those that want it can't just ask for a test and get one.

Hi Jon, don't know whether availability is a problem.

I didn't push for one vbecause, as doctor said, it might show I have antibodies but not from WHEN, or also whether a test in another month would still show same result..... the results seem a bit haphazard from what some people say.

 

[joe and sue]

Just listening to the news. All over Europe the 19 is rising massively. Thinking the only answer is a massive FULL lockdown, even more than last time..............................but once again it will be the accountants and economists who will have the last word.

It is [positive test results which are rising, against a date in June when virtually no tests were being carried out as opposed to millions worldwide now, it is not difficult to see that if you only carry out a few hundred tests you will get a low number of positives, carry out millions and the positives will be higher.
The piece of information needed is the ratio of positives to tests, as a percentage, I think that would paint a completely different picture of where we are with this virus
Joe

 

[Janine]

It is [positive test results which are rising, against a date in June when virtually no tests were being carried out as opposed to millions worldwide now, it is not difficult to see that if you only carry out a few hundred tests you will get a low number of positives, carry out millions and the positives will be higher.
The piece of information needed is the ratio of positives to tests, as a percentage, I think that would paint a completely different picture of where we are with this virus
Joe

Also, I think, everyone is very focused on the virus and if they have the slightest symptom, they get tested. Previously, it would be brushed aside as just flu - an inconvenience but part of life.

 

[Odd-no-more]

I don't understand why those that want it can't just ask for a test and get one.

I have been told that Superdrug have an antibody test but it costs almost £100 and doesn't mean anything apart from you have had it. There is no guarantee that you can't get it again so what is the point?

 

[movan]

Yes

I have been told that Superdrug have an antibody test but it costs almost £100 and doesn't mean anything apart from you have had it. There is no guarantee that you can't get it again so what is the point?

. Some people I know paid £70.but they are no wiser whether they are protected.

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[SmithsInFrance]

The piece of information needed is the ratio of positives to tests, as a percentage, I think that would paint a completely different picture of where we are with this virus
Joe

The French covid app has been updated and now shows quite a lot of data:

• Number of new cases (45,422 yesterday)
• R rate (1.4 on 20 October)
• Incidence rate per 100,000 (314.9 on 21 October)
• positivity rate (16% on 21 October)
• ICU beds occupancy rate (49.2% yesterday)

But take-up of the app has been very low (under 2 million I think), and up to last week it had been used to trace under 500 people.

 

[spongebob]

Nelly the elephant has been tested positive for COVID when I asked her how she caught it she said TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!

sorry if I’ve caused offence on a raw subject but sometimes humour helps

 

[gus-lopez]

My doctor said antibody test wouldn't prove anything, as it wouldn't PROVE it was from that period.

No, but it WOULD prove that you had had it & would allow them to monitor your health & offer treatments that are available.

 

[EuroTrotters]

My neighbour caught it in hospital and passed away. She was moved to 5 different wards within a couple of weeks.

 

[The Wino]

I think this may be the report that is being referred to.

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But that doesn't say they are not differentiating between the different illnesses just they are being included in the same report they are still identified as the separate causes not at all what was being suggested.

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[The Wino]

Also, I think, everyone is very focused on the virus and if they have the slightest symptom, they get tested. Previously, it would be brushed aside as just flu - an inconvenience but part of life.

It is [positive test results which are rising, against a date in June when virtually no tests were being carried out as opposed to millions worldwide now, it is not difficult to see that if you only carry out a few hundred tests you will get a low number of positives, carry out millions and the positives will be higher.
The piece of information needed is the ratio of positives to tests, as a percentage, I think that would paint a completely different picture of where we are with this virus
Joe

You don't think daily deaths going from a low of about 8 to over 200 is significant!

 

[jockaneezer]

My neighbour caught it in hospital and passed away. She was moved to 5 different wards within a couple of weeks.

The doctor visited my uncle, (who had started with pneumonia) at home and called for an ambulance at 11am, it arrived to take him to hospital at 2:30am the next morning. He was on 3 different ward's after the obligatory "long stay" in casualty, ending with him contracting covid round about his third week in hospital, which finished him off.
During the first week or so, he managed to phone home (no physical visits) to explain he needed a new dressing gown, slippers and pyjamas as the hospital had destroyed his (for reasons that we're still not sure of) and weren't sure that the £70 worth of new stuff my aunt bought wouldn't suffer the same fate?
I'm a bit pee'd off with the whole situation, but realistically, it's probably just the "anger phase" of grief and knowing I can't get down to Cardiff to see him off.

 

[joe and sue]

You don't think daily deaths going from a low of about 8 to over 200 is significant!

Of course it is serious, but compare the current situation against the original high in March / April, not the lowest available between then and now, and let us have the ratio between tests, positives, actual cases and deaths, then we may be able to believe what we are being told,

 

[Sundowners]

Our grandson has just had to isolate for a fortnight. He sat next to a boy at school who was ill and had it but didn’t know it at the time, he had caught it from his grandad. The school did not inform other pupils or parents for a whole week about it. I wonder how far it had spread during that week. Thankfully our grandson has had no symptoms nor the rest of the family, the two weeks is over, sigh.

 

[Shaun929]

I am sat at home now isolating. One of the lads I was working with last Monday started feeling crap got a test on Tuesday results on Wednesday evening to say he had been tested positive. Me and 4 other guys who was working with him now have to stay at home for 14 days from last Monday. It’s crap no pay now fro last Thursday until next Monday all of us are self employed

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[gus-lopez]

I am sat at home now isolating. One of the lads I was working with last Monday started feeling crap got a test on Tuesday results on Wednesday evening to say he had been tested positive. Me and 4 other guys who was working with him now have to stay at home for 14 days from last Monday. It’s crap no pay now fro last Thursday until next Monday all of us are self employed

https://www.moneyadviceservice.org....-because-youre-sick-or-having-to-self-isolate

Don't know whether the above may help. As usual below only shows help for employed. As is usual the self employed get sweet fa without a real struggle.


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-what-to-do-if-youre-employed-and-cannot-work

 

[The Wino]

Of course it is serious, but compare the current situation against the original high in March / April, not the lowest available between then and now, and let us have the ratio between tests, positives, actual cases and deaths, then we may be able to believe what we are being told,

Just look at the graph!. It was high in the first wave reduced in lockdown and increased as measures were relaxed. The hospital admissions lag a couple of weeks the deaths a few after that which as people are generally tested at the start means a fair few will get missed in the official figures. Its hardly rocket science just muddied a bit by people who want to deny theres a problem and say ah yes cases.....but no hospital admissions,. Ah yes hospital admissions no deaths. ah look how few deaths there are compared to cases (but look at deaths compared to cases now not when the deaths were likely infected).
Whatever way its spun without cracking down on spread it's going to get worse its just a matter of how quickly. If you want to see what happens if it's not cracked down on just look at the states they lagged behind us were below us in deaths per hundred thousand but have now managed to get ahead of us. Their economy is still affected unemployment is still up etc etc.

 

[Happy1]

I am sat at home now isolating. One of the lads I was working with last Monday started feeling crap got a test on Tuesday results on Wednesday evening to say he had been tested positive. Me and 4 other guys who was working with him now have to stay at home for 14 days from last Monday. It’s crap no pay now fro last Thursday until next Monday all of us are self employed

ask your accountant what support is available for you, ours knows the system inside out.

 

[Shaun929]

ask your accountant what support is available for you, ours knows the system inside out.

There is a grant of £500 but if you have savings of £16000 or more you don’t get it. So in other words if you graft and save some money up you get no help but if you spend every penny you earn the government will give you money

 

[bobnick]

Years ago the gov and others bombarded us with safe for your retirement, we did. Now they do everything in their power to get it off you. I am grateful for the £100 heating allowance as i use it to pay for the air conditioning in the hot country we go to for winter.

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[jongood]

is this how a lot of people are getting it?

Covid in Scotland: Police break up hundreds of parties every week

Data obtained by the BBC shows officers in Scotland responded to 3,000 call outs since late August.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[barsteward]

Believe me - sneezing into a mask is not pleasant!

Toooo much information, especially after your earlier comment about the snot....Yuk!

 

[SmithsInFrance]

My neighbour caught it in hospital and passed away. She was moved to 5 different wards within a couple of weeks.

I suppose as her condition deteriorated she may have needed to move to a different ward (or two?) but five sounds terrible, poor thing and not good for infection control either. I’m no medical expert I hasten to as though just feel for her.

 

[barsteward]

My wife works in a care home and last week was sent an anti body test kit. The test was posted on Friday afternoon in a Priority post box on Saturday afternoon she received a text to say she had tested positive.

She has not felt ill at all and is tested regularly for Covid 19, she has had no positive results.
On specking to her colleges it would appear that the majority of them have also tested positive.

Whilst I have been back in the uk which was March 28th I have not felt ill relative to covid but have no idea if I have the antibodies. I was however ill in January whilst in Spain and felt so bad I almost drove back. A month after I returned I was advised to go straight to A&E not pass go and not collect £200

Anyway I was diagnosed with unstable angina and a stent was fitted the next day ,the hospital was nothing short of excellent in every way.

I digress.
My thoughts now are just how far has the herd immunity progressed in the population?
Are the results of these tests being collated?

I don't hold with all the conspiracy theories by the way but I do think that mass antibody testing needs to be stepped up.

 

[Jonno1103]

I think we fall into the trap of being fixated by the aspects of Covid whilst not really understanding.

Antibodies aren't a gauge to rely on, once your body has fought the infection or any infection whether it be viral or bacterial they naturally fall significantly as said infection is no longer active.

The key is immunity... immunity means that you'll still catch it again - we catch coronavirus's regularly - but the bodies 'B' cell response means that the infection is milder.

Look back to the original 1967 flu epidemic which was the same strain as 1957, the mortality rate was less due to cell memory.

We also need to understand that Covid actually isn't that Novel a virus, over 90% of it is the same as every coronavirus we've suffered from for centuries. That funky spikey protein we're shown in images and is used as one of the markers is found in all of them, it's why there are so many false positives.

If you have a common cold and are tested, you'll be classed as a Covid patient.

Unlike the early months we now know how to manage it in 99% of cases - Dexamethasone has been a huge game changer so too has the decision not intubate patients as a matter of course but to use NIV, none invasive ventilation.

Some use of immunosuppressants has also been positive in lessening what's known as a cytokine swarm - when your own immune system essentially kills you - which was happening quite frequently during March, April & May.

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