Government rules for new EV sales

[Ava the Adria]

2030 Petrol Car Ban - Fully Charged Show

Robert Llewellyn discusses the rhetoric and misinformation around the 2030 Petrol Car Ban, sustainable energy and technology.

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"...it’s a complicated and endlessly compromised shift away from endlessly, thoughtlessly and carelessly burning fossil fuel as we have done for 150 years.

But it is happening and it is unstoppable,..."

 

[Ava the Adria]

We have time. It is not like a switch will be flipped and ALL ICE cars stop working and convert overnight to EV. It will be over the next 7 + 13 years it will happen.
7 years till the ban, then 13 year average lifespan of a second hand ICE car.

It's actually 12 years to the ban (ICE Hybrids can be sold new until 2035) then plus the 13 years so total 25 years away.

Will see me out.

 

[pappajohn]

Under a rule to be introduced in January, carmakers will be required to ensure that at least 22 per cent of their new sales in the UK are of emission-free models, rising each year to reach 80 per cent by 2030."

Who do the rules apply to.
British Government can't tell other countries manufacturers what and how many cars they make.
If its just the UK then what happened to banning all new ICE cars from 2030.

 

[Gromett]

British Government can't tell other countries manufacturers what and how many cars they make.

BUT they can tell them how many they can sell in this country. They can count how many they are making in other markets against this if they want. We are an independent nation didn't you know

 

[GJH]

They have been saying that for 60 years ,yet there are more reserves now than back then

It doesn't matter what anyone says about reserves.
The sheer fact that we use more fossil fuels than are being created means they are a finite resource and will run out sooner or later.
My point about acting now or being selfish and leaving it to future generations holds, therefore.

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[nicholsong]

BUT they can tell them how many they can sell in this country. They can count how many they are making in other markets against this if they want. We are an independent nation didn't you know

I think this could be a legal minefield.

The manufacturers do not normally sell to the public. They sell to dealers.

Are dealers, independent ones, not tied, included in the legislation?

Could a manufacturer sell to a dealer in Europe and then then the dealer make a sales contract in Belgium/Holland for delivery to a UK customer.

Would the vehicle need to leave UK soil.

I can see lots of ways that the motor trade could circumvent the 2030 rules, especially since most countries in Europe have a 2035 deadline.

 

[Silver-Fox]

Manufacturers may decide to slash the price if evs to avoid paying fines for not hitting targets?

One things for sure, car manufacturers will find a way around it.

Just like the building trade they brought rules in to try and get subbies on the books.

Next thing you have are umbrella companies with the subbies working through them or payments coming through them.

It’s like thieves, find a security system that works, thieves will find a wAy around it

 

[Silver-Fox]

You can volunteer to do this, e.g. go "off grid" in a shack in the woods

You’d probably need planing permission for that

 

[Gromett]

I think this could be a legal minefield.

The manufacturers do not normally sell to the public. They sell to dealers.

Are dealers, independent ones, not tied, included in the legislation?

Could a manufacturer sell to a dealer in Europe and then then the dealer make a sales contract in Belgium/Holland for delivery to a UK customer.

Would the vehicle need to leave UK soil.

I can see lots of ways that the motor trade could circumvent the 2030 rules, especially since most countries in Europe have a 2035 deadline.

I think you are creating problems where there isn't one. We have registration data. When a vehicle is registered in this country the manufacturer is known.
If they don't meet the target then they will be fined. I don't see the problem.

 

[SpeedyDux]

The EU's plan to delay the ban on ICE passenger car and van sales to 2035 is less straightforward than has been assumed in this thread. Germany is holding things up, in the interests of their luxury car / supercar manufacturers who want the option to carry on making ICE cars to sell to very rich customers under the guise of zero-emission ICE using e-fuels.

EU Commission working on e-fuel exemption for Germany to get combustion car ban finalized

The saga of getting the EU’s proposed ban on sales of new combustion cars by 2035 continues, and more details...

electrek.co

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[SpeedyDux]

It's actually 12 years to the ban (ICE Hybrids can be sold new until 2035) then plus the 13 years so total 25 years away.

Will see me out.

I won't be able to buy a like-for-like repacement for my hybrid car from 2030 onwards. It is only hybrids with significant electric-only range that can be sold until 2035. These plug-in hybrids, mostly bought as company cars because of the BIK tax rules, are some of the worst offenders in terms of emissions according to research studies. That is because so many users can't be bothered to plug them in and recharge the HV battery, which becomes degraded by misuse and neglect. They effectively turn into ICE petrol SUVs. In practice the presumed environmental benefits of such plug-in hybrids haven't materialised to any significant degree.

I can see that this 5 year loophole would benefit a few car buyers and maybe encourage more hybrid light vans.

The big question will be whether the Tories would follow the EU with a 5 year general extension for new ICE car and van sales, to please their voters.

 

[Camdoon]

The EU's plan to delay the ban on ICE passenger car and van sales to 2035 is less straightforward than has been assumed in this thread. Germany is holding things up, in the interests of their luxury car / supercar manufacturers who want the option to carry on making ICE cars to sell to very rich customers under the guise of zero-emission ICE using e-fuels.

EU Commission working on e-fuel exemption for Germany to get combustion car ban finalized

The saga of getting the EU’s proposed ban on sales of new combustion cars by 2035 continues, and more details...

electrek.co

Look how the EU had to go diesel in the early 00's. The Japanese/Korean and US did not. VW are cutting their production of EV's while the latest figures I saw showed Tesla then MG as the top sellers in the UK. EU protectionism.

 

[Camdoon]

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I can see that this 5 year loophole would benefit a few car buyers and maybe encourage more hybrid light vans.

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Used to deliver demonstrators. Thumped up and down a motorway a Hybrid Transit would give 25mpg; the Diesel 40 mpg so unless they were being returned to a base with a number of chargers and had fairly restricted use it would be difficult to justify them. Delivering hybrid cars we used to tell the owners to keep the never to be used cable in a wardrobe rather than the shed as they cost £200. Talked to one who was doing this and drove 40k miles a year. as you say BIK. Why would you come home each night to pug in to gain an extra gallon of fuel out of your own pocket. Silly thing was her daughter just starting out as a nurse some 15 miles away would have been the ideal person for the car.

 

[gus-lopez]

New houses should be built with solar and I don't see any social housing having solar panels here, maybe in Spain!

No Devon. You haven't been abkle to build houing for sale without a portion of social housing .the social has to have energy efficiency including solar.Been like it for over 10 years-

Here in spain all new builds have to have something renewable included be it solar for electric or for water & been like it as long as i have been here

 

[MichaelT]

No Devon. You haven't been abkle to build houing for sale without a portion of social housing .the social has to have energy efficiency including solar.Been like it for over 10 years-

Here in spain all new builds have to have something renewable included be it solar for electric or for water & been like it as long as i have been here

We are new build but no social housing but only 10 plots. Best you stay in Spain as its obviously so much better than the UK

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