Google now to decimate the recruitment industry

Tanya_and_Mick said:
We all have a choice and typically if you are not prepared to align to the preferred supplier agency the alternative is to not engage with them and lose the contract - depending on ones financial situation you have a choice......
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Same point just put more eloquently. (y) :D
 
Tanya_and_Mick said:
Yes, in the world of contractors many guys secure contracts through their own network but are typically steered to a preferred supplier recruitment agency to drive the contract engagement - hence they get garage loads of commission for doing Jack.....

Again in the world of contracting recruitment agents are typically of low quality and anything to move the quality bar up the maturity curve is welcome in my view - so shake ‘em up Google
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This would be a good time to check your own agencies out too, some sit with your week or months in hand, for many contractors this can be a large amount of cash. Google will be putting pressure on the agencies cash flow and many dont have much of a flow to begin with. If the agency goes tits up so will your month in hand.
 
buttons said:
This would be a good time to check your own agencies out too, some sit with your week or months in hand, for many contractors this can be a large amount of cash. Google will be putting pressure on the agencies cash flow and many dont have much of a flow to begin with. If the agency goes tits up so will your month in hand.
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Definitely a risk, and in some cases a risk for perm’ staff....

However, it’s a hard risk to manage if you are unable to directly engage, but working for known brands (e.g. Resource Solutions, Lorien, Hays, etc) can typically moderate the risk in a positive direction - well you’d like to think it would :)
 
buttons said:
Google could need the extra income from recruitment after today, the EU court will decide on a potential 9 billion pound fine for rigging the search results in favor of Android users.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...gging-alphabet-shopping-service-a7768621.html
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Surely there would be no chance of them doing the same for their recruitment business would there. :rolleyes:

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buttons said:
Being an Android user I think it right that Google favor it's own platform users.....:)
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So do I, as an Apple user I much prefer tons of dross heading in your direction and not mine :)
 
Some firms like using an agency as it puts them 1 step away from any problems. Ie if firm has a load come in that has to go they can off load the problem to an agency. The agency will ring the driver at 6pm saying the load is due to leave at 7pm get in as quickly as you can. The firm doesn’t care when you last slept etc only if it shows on your tachometer/digit card. Your sent out with the load and they have no problems it’s down to the agency.
 
Many construction companies will only use agency labour, sil had to start his own 1 man ltd. company to get his present job.
 
olley said:
Many construction companies will only use agency labour, sil had to start his own 1 man ltd. company to get his present job.
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Think a lot to do with firms avoiding tax and national insurance, ie employers contributions plus holidays etc.

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Ivory55 said:
Think a lot to do with firms avoiding tax and national insurance, ie employers contributions plus holidays etc.
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"Firms avoiding tax and national insurance, ie employers contributions plus holidays etc." Says it all really!! :mad:

Add in zero hrs contracts and we are back to the pre Union days when workers were exploited to the hilt and the fat cats got fatter!! :(:(:(
 
Teuchter said:
"Firms avoiding tax and national insurance, ie employers contributions plus holidays etc." Says it all really!! :mad:

Add in zero hrs contracts and we are back to the pre Union days when workers were exploited to the hilt and the fat cats got fatter!! :(:(:(
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On the flip-side there's many a contractor doing OK.......more than OK in some cases!
 
i will admit to knowing bugga all about the recruitment industry/contractors etc, just cant help thinking that a world run by google, facebook and twitter is rapidly heading our way...........
 
Silver-Fox said:
So do I, as an Apple user I much prefer tons of dross heading in your direction and not mine :)
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Lets face it SF the only reason that Google is in court is that Apple cant keep up with the technology of it's adversary....;)
 
Tanya_and_Mick said:
On the flip-side there's many a contractor doing OK.......more than OK in some cases!
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Yep..my son managed to take redundancy from his permanent position in the US and returned to the UK recently. He decided on contracting here rather than taking a number of good job offers.(y)

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Ivory55 said:
Think a lot to do with firms avoiding tax and national insurance, ie employers contributions plus holidays etc.
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Absolutely, saves on cost and you can be booted instantly. Sil's working on 3 month contracts, and being treated like shit, got asked the other day to write the rams for another contractor, said yes but you will sign them off, they changed their minds.

Before anyone asks, money that's why. Loads of work and loads of money in London.
 
buttons said:
Lets face it SF the only reason that Google is in court is that Apple cant keep up with the technology of it's adversary....;)
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It would appear Apple let their adversary make all the cock ups then hoover up the good stuf :)
Clever ehh
 
I do not DO FB GOOGOL or TWATER (twiter) never ever ever ever ever worked for an agency and work for them so thay can earn money of my hard work, always found my own work, even if was for less money.

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Hmmm , sorry guy's but i really have to question some of these statements here , in so much as do they really know what their talking about . Yes i work for an agency , i have done for the last 21 year's . I do it because i want too , not because i have too . Why would i want to work up the road , be restricted to 4 week's holiday , and get less money . I'm offered full time position's at least once a week , which in the case of one company , total's 7 time's now . I turn them down , simply because i'm not interested . I get holiday pay , pension (even though i have my own) , and sick pay . In addition , i get far more holiday than any company would offer , and i'm actually better payed than many full timer's , at the company's i'm contracted to . I never hit barrier's when i want time off ( you can't have that week off , so and so has it) , and i have the final choice to take an assignment , or not . I can ask to be reassigned at anytime , and have . Along with the impossible run's , which i've also refused , stating no other reason than , it can't be done .
Yes the company earn money off my back , around half what i earn an hour , however they don't just sit around , they also have to work for it , they deal with my tax , my ni , my pension and all the other crap any employer's have to do . I'm self employed , but without the hassle , i turn up , do the job , go home , and at the end of the week get payed . Everything else is done for me including finding the work , if you expect all that to be done for nothing , then i'm sorry you live in a dream world .
Now i'm not gonna get too deeply involved here , however at the beginning of the year i worked for three main company's . All asked for me by name , as i'm well known for being reliable , and getting on with the work , i don't sit in laybys to make my hour's up . Even so , however i noticed a decline in available work , since then , one has shut it's oxfordshire operation down , another has lost a major contract (and i believe is heading for big problem's) , leaving one , strangely this is the company that has been trying to employ me for the last 5 year . For this reason my work has dropped off further , and i'm now beginning to branch out again , to find new company's to replace the one's lost . One could be in the fold already ..
 
Silver-Fox said:
Yeah but are you happy with a inferior equipment.
You need to embrace change, not fight it :)
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Inferior equipment in some cases for sure ... but it's the OS that's the attraction to most of us. Massively more popular than ios ... and used in so many different devices ...
 
@airwave I fully agree with the +'ive benifits that you have highlighted in being a contractor.

However, the arrangements you have (management of your tax, NI and pension) with your agency is not typical for many contractors. Hence, many contractors work with brand agencies who typically arrange the contract and little else for their commsion.
 
Just as an add on to my last post .

On tuesday i was contracted to drive for the second company (lost contract) . I turned up at my alloted time to find the windscreen severely damaged on the vehicle i was due to drive . The whole quarter nearside was seriously cracked , running top to bottom , it self enough . However at the impact site about 6" in dia , the screen had been indented to a depth of approx 15 mm . The only reason this screen was still in place was wholly due to the fact , it was being laminated . The overall damage was such that the o licence (basically a tax disc) was totally unreadable .
I refused to drive it on the ground's of it being dangerous and unroadworthy , whereby i was told , the company driver had being using it for the last week , and they didn't have another unit .


I went home ! ! ! ! .
 
airwave said:
Just as an add on to my last post .

On tuesday i was contracted to drive for the second company (lost contract) . I turned up at my alloted time to find the windscreen severely damaged on the vehicle i was due to drive . The whole quarter nearside was seriously cracked , running top to bottom , it self enough . However at the impact site about 6" in dia , the screen had been indented to a depth of approx 15 mm . The only reason this screen was still in place was wholly due to the fact , it was being laminated . The overall damage was such that the o licence (basically a tax disc) was totally unreadable .
I refused to drive it on the ground's of it being dangerous and unroadworthy , whereby i was told , the company driver had being using it for the last week , and they didn't have another unit .


I went home ! ! ! ! .
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Yes that’s ok but some people can not afford to loose a shift unpaid.
You was right but in my experience people who do that are usually the first to be dropped off when not needed due to less work. You’re obviously doing ok with agency work, but equally there is the ones who are not.

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My Grandson worked as a care assistant in a care home for the "disadvantaged/impaired adults - all was fine and he was well treated and the residents well treated, the home was then sold to a foreign Company and his hours were cut, any overtime required wad now at basic rate instead of time+ a third and his workload massively increased as he now had to carry out the work of the cleaners & laundry staff who were sacked by the new owners. The standard of care and food for the residents was much reduced!

He left and and was taken on as a labourer by an agency to work for a well known company through said agency - he is on an "Zero hours" contract and is paid £8 per hour. He does 12 hour shifts and finds out which shifts are on offer for the next week on a Friday and would like to do 5 shifts a week but is usually offered only 4 or 3.

Sometimes his "allocated" shift is cancelled with only a few hours notice and some times after being at work for 5 or 6 hours he is sent home as not required. He is on call to cover for extra work and last week was called in at an hours notice as a shift was one man short - after 3 hours work he was told he would not be needed any more that day and to come back the next day for his next planned shift!

Welcome to the world of caring employers who treat their staff well!!!!!
 
Tanya_and_Mick said:
But they are not employers....
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Aren't they? :eek: - even so the "reputable" Company where he actually works are the ones who decide to employ people through the agency and treat them this way!! :(
 
One of the downsides of being a contractor is that at anytime you can get tapped on the shoulder and led to the door.

Some chaps don't like that risk, hence, they go back to 'permie' jobs with all the comforts (e.g. sick pay, holidays, work place pension, etc.)...
 
Trouble is now that are lot more jobs are like that, less full time jobs

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