Gas on/off on the ferry?

[Dorset Diver]

This is the information provided by BF on their website:

"You can take a maximum of three butane/propane gas cylinders, with a combined weight that does not exceed 47 kg, for the purposes of lighting, heating and cooking, in your vehicle.

All cylinders should be adequately secured against the movement of the ship, be stored away from sources of heat and ignition and must be shut off during the sailing."

 

[Roby2008]

Never mind ferries, you should always turn your gas off when travelling, unless your gas system is adapted for running with the gas on.

I turn off when on ferries but leave on when travelling, we have an automatic shut off in case of a shunt and that is required here, the MH will fail it´s gas Tüv safety check if not fitted or operational.

 

[Lenny HB]

I turn off when on ferries but leave on when travelling, we have an automatic shut off in case of a shunt and that is required here, the MH will fail it´s gas Tüv safety check if not fitted or operational.

Why would it fail a TUV safety check if not fitted?
Standard fit on German Vans is a bottle top regulator so no crash sensor or anti rupture hoses.

 

[Roby2008]

Why would it fail a TUV safety check if not fitted?
Standard fit on German Vans is a bottle top regulator so no crash sensor or anti rupture hoses.

Took my MH in for it`s first Tüv and Gas check back in 2015 and had to fit a gas shut off system before it would pass, that was with Tüv Sud in Bavaria. I have no idea if the rules have been changed as it wasn`t a big deal at the time and of course passed every Tüv since.

 

[Lenny HB]

Took my MH in for it`s first Tüv and Gas check back in 2015 and had to fit a gas shut off system before it would pass, that was with Tüv Sud in Bavaria. I have no idea if the rules have been changed as it wasn`t a big deal at the time and of course passed every Tüv since.

I've had 3 Hymers 2008, 2014 & 2017, the 2008 had a bottle top regulator the other two we had the optional bulkhead changeover valve/regulator standard fit was a bottle top regulator. Have a Carthago on order that is the same.

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[EuroTrotters]

Recently when motorhoming in Canada we took a ferry to Vancouver Island. Prior to boarding the officials instructed us to turn off the gas and put a seal across the locker to prevent tampering.

Great Idea. Wonder who would moan about the sticky seal !

We turn ours off. But wandering whether all that necessary. When electric cars appear to be spontaneously catching fire. If one goes off on a ferry it will sink anyway.

Id like to think the fire prevention systems would extinguish the fire before it got that far.

 

[EuroTrotters]

OFF.

 

[Roby2008]

Recently when motorhoming in Canada we took a ferry to Vancouver Island. Prior to boarding the officials instructed us to turn off the gas and put a seal across the locker to prevent tampering.

How did the seal prevent tampering? Did it bite or was it just angry .................

 

[Lenny HB]

How did the seal prevent tampering? Did it bite or was it just angry .................

Flipping heavy if they roll on top of you.

 

[Dorset Diver]

Great Idea. Wonder who would moan about the sticky seal !

Id like to think the fire prevention systems would extinguish the fire before it got that far.

Lithium battery fires are very difficult to deal with.

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[EuroTrotters]

Lithium battery fires are very difficult to deal with.

I thought modern vessels had better suppression systems

 

[johnandi]

Never mind ferries, you should always turn your gas off when travelling, unless your gas system is adapted for running with the gas on.

Yea, we do that as well, always have done, but I know some that don't!

 

[johnandi]

We recently sailed on the Santona. I'm fairly certain they didn't switch off their LNG supply .

It was on the Santona that I was asking the questions last week. Good point tho!

 

[johnandi]

This is the information provided by BF on their website:

"You can take a maximum of three butane/propane gas cylinders, with a combined weight that does not exceed 47 kg, for the purposes of lighting, heating and cooking, in your vehicle.

All cylinders should be adequately secured against the movement of the ship, be stored away from sources of heat and ignition and must be shut off during the sailing."

So the info is out there then, albeit on their website, which I didn't read but that's my failing. You'd think it should be more prominent though and mentioned/instructed at check-in

 

[EuroTrotters]

Lithium battery fires are very difficult to deal with.

Might be a few motorhomes with lithium then !

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[johnandi]

Flipping heavy if they roll on top of you.

and they smell!

 

[Lenny HB]

Might be a few motorhomes with lithium then !

It's car ones that burn, LiFePO4 used in Motorhomes are very safe and don't burn or explode.

 

[bigtwin]

Might be a few motorhomes with lithium then !

Entirely different technology; it is very difficult to get a LiFePO4 battery to combust, even when being deliberately pierced by a screwdriver.

It's car ones that burn, LiFePO4 used in Motorhomes are very safe and don't burn or explode.

Indeed.

Ian

 

[RobertJary]

EV fires are very difficult to put out, even more so on a ferry. Ship sank due to EV catching fire:

Cargo ship carrying thousands of luxury cars sinks in Atlantic Ocean with cars on board

The Felicity Ace, a cargo ship carrying thousands of luxury cars, sank into the mid-Atlantic after 13 days afloat. The vehicles sank with it.

www.usatoday.com

A Norwegian ferry line will no longer take EVs:

Havila Bans Electric & Hybrid Cars on Ferries - FerryGoGo.com

The ferry company Havila Kystruten bans the transport of electric cars on their fleet of ferries in Norway due to increased fire danger.

ferrygogo.com

 

[kev54]

OFF, please!

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[bigtwin]

OFF, please!

To which particular response are you referring?

Ian

 

[gus-lopez]

When electric cars appear to be spontaneously catching fire. If one goes off on a ferry it will sink anyway.

as posted one ferry company banned them.

This is the information provided by BF on their website:

"You can take a maximum of three butane/propane gas cylinders, with a combined weight that does not exceed 47 kg, for the purposes of lighting, heating and cooking, in your vehicle.

Amazing how different laws & regulations do not link up.
If you did the above & arrive at Santander you are immediately illegal in spain , transporting that amount of gas & with more than 2 cylinders.

 

[Funnymunny]

Dover has always insisted on the gas being turned off

 

[johnandi]

as posted one ferry company banned them.


Amazing how different laws & regulations do not link up.
If you did the above & arrive at Santander you are immediately illegal in spain , transporting that amount of gas & with more than 2 cylinders.

Wow, didn't realise that. We only carry one 13Kg and a 6Kg bottle so ok.

 

[Dorset Diver]

as posted one ferry company banned them.


Amazing how different laws & regulations do not link up.
If you did the above & arrive at Santander you are immediately illegal in spain , transporting that amount of gas & with more than 2 cylinders.

So what are the rules in Spain?

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[busby]

You’d think they’d reinforce the point when going through check-in.

They will after an accident,,BUSBY.

 

[busby]

Lithium battery fires are very difficult to deal with.

And Gas explosions,,BUSBY.

 

[cyberyacht]

My gas is off for travelling, so unless I had an exceptionally long wait at loading, it still would be.

 

[Odd-no-more]

like to think the fire prevention systems would extinguish the fire before it got that far.

Not on an EV. We're all doomed

 

[gus-lopez]

So what are the rules in Spain?

They are actually written for the refilling of domestic propane & butane bottles but apply to any vehicle transporting lpg.
A maximum of 2 cylinders is allowed with a maximum weight of 15 kgs per cylinder & can only be transported in an upright position & securely fixed.
So as I said if you come off the boat with 3 cylinders you are illegal straightaway, regardless of weight . Technically if you have 2 x refillables cylinders & carry seperate bottle that should be classed as 3 cylinders.
An underslung bulk tank does not come in to it as spanish regulations would assume that it was installed correctly & certificated as a spanish vehicles would be..here are links.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.es/faq/is-it-illegal-to-transport-gas-bottles-in-private-vehicle/

& N332;

https://n332.es/carrying-gas-canisters/


You will also note that they both mention that it is illegal to park in an underground car park,which i didn't bother mentioning as most motorhomes & pvc's are too big to do so, but anyone with a low roof camper van should be aware they must park above ground.

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