Full timing in Europe post brexit

[BreweryDave]

What you posted after I posted , confirmed my observation .
You mention your past activities , and the resultant problem you envisage that causing you , but then go on along the same path by saying about bending rules, and ignoring others . I am not saying you need to become a saint but you need to risk assess better .
Re read some of the other posts and what the general trend is of the advice , and try going with the flow , as suggested , might start giving you better outcomes . I hope you get the end result you want .

Possibly the most diplomatic post ever, rule 1 and all that
......good job I haven’t drunk more than I already have
Well done sah

 

[soreeyes]

I was reading some European countries when take up nationality you have to renounce your original nationally .

 

[The Wino]

The practical problem of just going and not coming back will be your motorhome tax insurance MOT. You cant get an MOT in another country so will have to return here each year and it will be a problem getting insurance without a UK address. I would research other options the first being any Irish blood in your family and the possibility of obtaining a n EU nationality but not sure how that would affect your pension when old enough and NHS eligibility.

 

[Barclaybasher]

The only ones I came across that were worried about the 90 day rule were the mega-rich who made sure they had their passports stamped so as not to get caught in that country's tax system - I never had that worry.........

 

[The Wino]

Just have to hope their immigration control is as good (not)as ours!!

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[Barclaybasher]

Just have to hope their immigration control is as good (not)as ours!!

Yep, and the 'problem' now is that passports are scanned, so Big brother knows where you've been and for how long..............

 

[soreeyes]

Can you live off grid today in a digital world anywhere ?

You must have a passport now to be able to travel to Europe now from the UK and can you disappear . As said pensions and medical records and vehicle details and ANPR systems .

In Europe a UK number plate might become attract more interest from authorities to check .

 

[Spriddler]

If you intend using toll motorways/service stations (and many more places) they'll have your movements on camera anyway from your vehicle reg'n.

 

[Spriddler]

I lived, worked and travelled in Europe long before the borders were opened up. It was not much different then other than slower getting through borders. Only the old Commy block countries were a bit tricky. As has already been said, EU countries are not going to start manning border posts to check UK passports now they are open. I dont know of one Johnny Foreigner who is going to say "Sorry Englander, we don't want your cash." I truly believe nothing much will change after Brexit finally is sorted.

Agreed. I lived and worked in 7 European countries over a 14 year period, 5 of those years before we joined what I voted for, i.e. The Common Market of 7 countries, each having similar economies, cultures, industries, health and education services (NOT a meddling bureaucratic European State of 27, many of which are greedy, unruly and impoverished countries). Crossing borders by plane or road was never an issue unless I had product samples with me but even then the paperwork was simple enough. Mind you, very few land borders are manned these days and several which I knew in the past are either derelict, deserted, or have been demolished.

The short answer to the OP is that he'll have to wait and see - even our Gov't doesn't know yet. Anyway, he probably has two years before anything changes.

 

[Glandwr]

I have it on good authority that Jacob will insist that our lovely new blue passports will include the old " her Britannic majesty will allow the bearer to pass without let or hinderance" wave it at any Johnny foreigner petty official should there be any question.

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[Snowbird]

Agreed. I lived and worked in 7 European countries over a 14 year period, 5 of those years before we joined what I voted for, i.e. The Common Market of 7 countries (NOT a meddling bureaucratic European State of 27, many of which are greedy, unruly and impoverished countries). Crossing borders by plane or road was never an issue unless I had product samples with me but even then the paperwork was simple enough. Mind you, very few land borders are manned these days and several which I knew in the past are either derelict, deserted, or have been demolished.

Exactly, we lived in France 40 years ago and although we had to have a cart de sejour to work, it was no big deal. The kids went to school and it was not much different than it is now. One of my ex wives was an Amsterdamer, and it was no problem for me living in Holland and no problem for her living in the UK. I drove from Dunkirk down to Istanbul in the summer and never went through one closed border. Am sure all the borders in Europe are not going to be rebuilt just to check UK passports after Brexit. People are panicking for something to panic about. Do people honestly believe that places like Benidorm will send all the Brits home after there 90 days are up. Good Lord, the Spanish may be a bit slow, but they are not stupid. Money will spend anywhere, it has always been that way and always will be that way.

 

[Snowbird]

I have it on good authority that Jacob will insist that our lovely new blue passports will include the old " her Britannic majesty will allow the bearer to pass without let or hinderance" wave it at any Johnny foreigner petty official should there be any question.

Or in the immortal words of the legendary Andrew Wilson Young, "Excuse me Im English" as he waved his passport and marched to the front of the queue to get papers stamped. By the time Johnny Foreigner had realised what was going on Andrew had gone.

 

[jonandshell]

You don't have to be an EU citizen to live full time in Europe.
A quick drive around Calais will confirm that.

 

[vwalan]

Exactly, we lived in France 40 years ago and although we had to have a cart de sejour to work, it was no big deal. The kids went to school and it was not much different than it is now. One of my ex wives was an Amsterdamer, and it was no problem for me living in Holland and no problem for her living in the UK. I drove from Dunkirk down to Istanbul in the summer and never went through one closed border. Am sure all the borders in Europe are not going to be rebuilt just to check UK passports after Brexit. People are panicking for something to panic about. Do people honestly believe that places like Benidorm will send all the Brits home after there 90 days are up. Good Lord, the Spanish may be a bit slow, but they are not stupid. Money will spend anywhere, it has always been that way and always will be that way.

but the only borders will be the borders to the rest of the world . inland borders arent required as you wont have left eu.
mind it was possible before and it will be after . just not as easy as now .
customs duty will come back though i believe. well more for return to uk . only food i would want to take abroad . might limit that like they used to.

 

[Spriddler]

One of my ex wives was an Amsterdamer, and it was no problem for me living in Holland and no problem for her living in the UK.

Hmm, parallel lives @Snowbird. One of my ex wives was German. We spent 5 years nipping between our company flats in Paris, Cologne and Florence and my house in U.K. and used to drive back and forth up to Denmark to visit her daughter. No problems whatsoever.

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[Hollyberry]

If life is so great in France can you tell me why 'immigrants' are trying to get from France to the UK and not the other way round?

Sometimes Brits have a 'romantic' idea for life in another country, as an expat (years ago) I concluded that most expats, apart from retirees, were trying to escape debt, tax, or prosecution........

.......but eh.....I'm just an old cynic................

Completely depends on your circumstances. If you're impoverished, without property, income , forced to leave your own country you are entitled to very little in France unless you're a French citizen, EU member or aFrench tax payer.
I found when I worked first of all in Eastern Europe (1990s) and then Africa ( 2003-4) there was a huge myth of " Britain provides" I had African women, qualified teachers, begging to work for me in a care home for £2 an hour. When I pointed out this was illegal for them and me I was looked at as if I was mad. To them the streets of Britain really were paved with gold. In Eastern Europe I was told it was easy living in Britain because everyone got given a mobile phone and a car. I was more or less called a liar when I stated this was untrue.
If you've retired ( or got a good trade and are willing to work hard) and a bit of money in reserve, then moving abroad can be wonderful---- less stressful, warmer, interesting, better food. If my partner hadn't died I'd still be living on a mountain in the Pyrenees.... but France got too tough on my own and now I have a chronic illness my head knows I'm better off in the UK but my heart wishes I was still on that French mountain.

 

[The Wino]

Also shows the lie that its the French fault the migrants are trying to get here its our own faulr for setting the rules on our benefits

 

[SpeedyDux]

If you get French residency and happen o need a builder/landscape gardner. I may have a proposition for you.

I'm not pro or anti brexit, same as I wasn't pro or anti independence
I haven't ever voted in my life and have no intention too.
I'm not fulltiming I'm off grid, n I mean as far off grid as I can get.

I thought independence was right for Scotland but with the oil industry crash globally it may not have been the right decision, I'm guessing time will tell if brexit is the right decision or not, nothing we can change now.

I like my EU citizenship, for my own personal reasons, the same reasons that lead me to investigate what options are available to me. If that means I have to bend a few rules I will. If I get caught then it's on my own head and I will stand up and take the punishment

I was a wild child in my teens and early 20's, a hat means I'm terrified I won't be able to get a visa to enter the EU. If I can't get a visa I can't visit my son!!!

That makes a lot of difference to what I'm willing to try, how far would you go to be able to keep in contact with your child

Being off the grid and doing cash-in-hand work as a builder/landscape gardener will be harder than in the UK, at least in France. I don't know about other EU countries.

Even if you only work for British expats, you risk being grassed up by the local French tradesmen and arrested. This is not uncommon.

The Macron government recently announced it is stepping up spot checks to catch unlicensed foreign workers who undercut French labour rates and don't pay taxes and social charges. They are specifically targetting the building industry first, notorious for Polish labour gangs who cheat the French system.

 

[The Wino]

Being off the grid and doing cash-in-hand work as a builder/landscape gardener will be harder than in the UK, at least in France. I don't know about other EU countries.

Even if you only work for British expats, you risk being grassed up by the local French tradesmen and arrested. This is not uncommon.

The Macron government recently announced it is stepping up spot checks to catch unlicensed foreign workers who undercut French labour rates and don't pay taxes and social charges. They are specifically targetting the building industry first, notorious for Polish labour gangs who cheat the French system.

makes you wonder why we don't do the same here!!

 

[Barclaybasher]

makes you wonder why we don't do the same here!!

Too many of our own doing cash jobs...

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[The Wino]

Too many of our own doing cash jobs...

Exactly why we should!!!!. same with qualifying for benefits we should make it as hard to qualify as the rest of Europe would cut the migrants trying to get through the tunnel at a stroke why don't we???

 

[gus-lopez]

I was reading some European countries when take up nationality you have to renounce your original nationally .

Yes but in most cases it is just a formality & you actually have dual citizenship. Just renouncing it when obtaining your new nationality isn't enough to comply with the UK requirement of how it should actually be done.
I.e. you have to show you have another nationality before you can renounce the UK one ; & in the Uk.
This is to prevent anyone renouncing & ending up stateless.
It cannot be done whilst attaining another nationality. Even if you surrender your UK passport & they return it to the UK it will be forwarded back to you.

 

[Pyke13]

Your awareness is lacking , anywhere you travel you need the original country legality , so current MOT and insurance , and road tax. In some countries you can buy insurance at the border . In some countries eg China , you have to have all local requirements , eg they even give you new number plates . If you get caught with
non complying vehicle , some places will immediately confiscate.

Somehow I dont think you will pass the attitude test on your first encounter .
If you can afford to lose the lot , and get deported go for it .

Please please tell me you miss spelt and don't really think it's an attitude test and that you understand it's an aptitude test??
I spent 2 years studying psychology, in that time a lot of it was spent designing IQ and aptitude tests as well as completing them.
In two years I managed to get my iq test results from 139 to 161
I'm fairly sure I can pass a simple aptitude test on the first go, chances are I've done many similar previously

 

[Pyke13]

Bloody refugees coming here, claiming £37.75 a week to live on. https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

Now I've got this rediculous idea on how to stop refugees.
How about we stop bombing there homes, killing there families and destroying there way of life. That way it may be safer for them to stay in their own country.
Just an idea

 

[Pyke13]

I am actually shocked and appalled at the arrogance of some ppl on this forum, I clearly stated that this thread WAS NOT about voicing your opinion on the EU or BREXIT. But yet half the posts are exactly that.
So to everyone who posted their opinion in this thread, thank you very much. It makes me miss my son loads less knowing your racist bigoted uneducated opinion, please go back to reading the daily mail!!!

As for anyone with a view on how I may be able to see my son grow up in a post brexit world please feel free to comment. Any advice is great fully received.

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[Jim]

I am actually shocked and appalled at the arrogance of some ppl on this forum, I clearly stated that this thread WAS NOT about voicing your opinion on the EU or BREXIT. But yet half the posts are exactly that.

No one can insist in what direction a thread meanders or what it should contain, That said, the vast majority of posts in this thread are bang on topic. Yet rather than thank the people trying to help you, you call them arrogant. Please read Rule 1 before posting further. Thanks.

 

[tacr2man]

Please please tell me you miss spelt and don't really think it's an attitude test and that you understand it's an aptitude test??
I spent 2 years studying psychology, in that time a lot of it was spent designing IQ and aptitude tests as well as completing them.
In two years I managed to get my iq test results from 139 to 161
I'm fairly sure I can pass a simple aptitude test on the first go, chances are I've done many similar previously

I didn't misspell as you put it , and my choice of word seems to be confirmed by the post at 10:45 , and I am quite happy to tell you such

 

[Pia]

Good Lord, the Spanish may be a bit slow, but they are not stupid.

...coming from a Brit probably the MOST stupid on the planet!!!

 

[airwave]

Can you live off grid today in a digital world anywhere ?

You can , but it comes at a very heavy cost , and i'm not talking money here . Walk everywhere , no phone , no computer , work for cash and live in a tent . There are many ways you can be tracked . You couldn't even have a regular roof over your head , let alone a bank account . It's possible , but i seriously doubt many people could it .


Edit , i can see where the op is coming from , but his direction , is not the way to go about it .

Sorry .

 

[bobandjanie]

The modern world and all the technology has made it very difficult, big brother is always watching.
We like to think we are flying under the radar, but gone are the days when you got stopped in your car and documents checked , only yesterday near our apartment in Spain they had road blocks testing for drink and drugs, a couple of weeks ago they set up at 2100hrs doing the same.
When they pull a vehicle to check they already know it's illegal.
I don't think anyone will be able to swan around before long, I know here in Javea things are moving at speed. For years in Spain nothing has been a problem, but it is now, there are a lot of worried people that have lived here for years, not declared money they earned paid tax drove around in dodgy cars going back or becoming resident.
Because we rent our apartment we decided to do it right, registered and pay taxes, up until now we by law take the main person booking passport / nie number.
We were sat round a friends last Monday and the phone rang it was Gardia Civil we had to visit them the next day and sign all this paperwork and now have to log into their computer and put in everyone over the age of 16. It's going to kill two birds with one stone, not only will it flag up who's where, but all the illegal rentals will be registered and taxes paid.
So the Spanish that were laid back and bit slow, are up to speed now !
I know it's all the terrorist attacks, but they are doing things that stops it. Bob.

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