Flooding in Wales

[cyberyacht]

Perhaps they should employ beavers. They seem to have a grasp of water management.

 

[AlunandFelicie]

Perhaps they should employ beavers. They seem to have a grasp of water management.

At your age perhaps avoid grasping a beaver (must watch your blood pressure )

 

[ChrisL]

CCC Chertsey is flooded now again, we got evacuated last night and some of us are at CCC Hertford, a big thank you to the wardens for staying up until past 10:00pm to show us to our pitches.

 

[Silver-Fox]

But people still buy the houses .why would you buy a house on a flood plain?

If we stopped buying them they would stop building them

I can’t fathom out why anyone would buy a house on a flood plain.

Before I’ve bought any house or even considered one.
I pay several visits in different climatic conditions and various times of the day.
You just never know

 

[Silver-Fox]

People don’t understand that they are on a flood plain, and sellers aren’t going to advertise it.

Easy enough in this day and age with the internet to see the local area and how it’s affected by rain etc.

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[cyberyacht]

At your age perhaps avoid grasping a beaver (must watch your blood pressure )

Blood pressure's OK. It's my hernia op that's cramping my style.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Easy enough in this day and age with the internet to see the local area and how it’s affected by rain etc.

My BIL bought a waterfront house (recently constructed posh development) on a river bank, in a flood risk area. For not much short of a million. One day ...

 

[SpeedyDux]

Perhaps they should employ beavers. They seem to have a grasp of water management.

Experts at building homes underwater too ...

 

[Silver-Fox]

My BIL bought a waterfront house (recently constructed posh development) on a river bank, in a flood risk area. For not much short of a million. One day ...

Words fail me

 

[Nanniemate]

Words fail me

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[olley]

A couple on one of the building programs built a house on a Thames island, if the water reaches their house it floats.

 

[AlunandFelicie]

A couple of one of the building programs built a house on a Thames island, if the water reaches their house it floats.

Grand designs

Of course you could buy a caravan ,same effect but cheaper

 

[olley]

Grand designs

Of course you could buy a caravan ,same effect but cheaper

Didn't save all those people on duck shit city (also know as Billing.) they had to evacuate.

 

[TDub49]

Thank you for granting permission. I'm still after facts and obve anhalysis rather than ideolgically distorted interpretations of events so here is an interesting article (not from the BBC but from a Spanish source) that maybe discounts EU influenced weir removal as the major cause.

Disinformation narratives blaming imaginary “dam and reservoir demolitions” of the consequences of the floods in Valencia·Maldita.es - Periodismo para que no te la cuelen

What disinformation narratives have gone viral: that the “destruction of reservoirs and dams in recent years” is responsible…

maldita.es

That depends on whether you rely on the BBC for example as your fount of knowledge. I don't. Some other sources say that the removal of weirs to prioritise fish migration played a significant role in the scale of the Valencia floods (which are not unprecedented and flooding there was a concern even during Roman times). That claim about the removal of weirs has a ring of truth about it despite the efforts of the usual biased fact checkers to poo-poo it. There's a probably a whole bunch of causal factors, some directly or indirectly due to misguided Spanish government interference and EU eco-directives, but as we might expect, climate change seems to be the standard COP-out for a cock-up. Such tragedies happen when all the holes in the cheese suddenly line up.

Feel free to disagree.

 

[Mikey RV]

Didn't save all those people on duck shit city (also know as Billing.) they had to evacuate.

That place is always flooding. No surprise if you have been there the canal waterway is up above the caravans.

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[Nanniemate]

A couple on one of the building programs built a house on a Thames island, if the water reaches their house it floats.

Seen that on telly grand designs? Really clever

Grand designs

Of course you could buy a caravan ,same effect but cheaper

Yes but it don't stay in the same place as its then a boat

 

[olley]

Thank you for granting permission. I'm still after facts and obve anhalysis rather than ideolgically distorted interpretations of events so here is an interesting article (not from the BBC but from a Spanish source) that maybe discounts EU influenced weir removal as the major cause.

Disinformation narratives blaming imaginary “dam and reservoir demolitions” of the consequences of the floods in Valencia·Maldita.es - Periodismo para que no te la cuelen

What disinformation narratives have gone viral: that the “destruction of reservoirs and dams in recent years” is responsible…

maldita.es

I read a report that said after the floods in the 50's the river was diverted around the city, they then allowed people to build on the lower side of the new river which is the part which flooded.
No idea if any of that is true.

 

[AlunandFelicie]

I read a report that said after the floods in the 50's the river was diverted around the city, they then allowed people to build on the lower side of the new river which is the part which flooded.
No idea if any of that is true.

I read similar articles about diverting the river to prevent another disaster and then later allowing buildings on the new flood plain

 

[SpeedyDux]

Thank you for granting permission. I'm still after facts and obve anhalysis rather than ideolgically distorted interpretations of events so here is an interesting article (not from the BBC but from a Spanish source) that maybe discounts EU influenced weir removal as the major cause.

Disinformation narratives blaming imaginary “dam and reservoir demolitions” of the consequences of the floods in Valencia·Maldita.es - Periodismo para que no te la cuelen

What disinformation narratives have gone viral: that the “destruction of reservoirs and dams in recent years” is responsible…

maldita.es

3 significant extracts from your cited fact-checking source (my emphasis in italics):

What can be explained: it is not possible to verify what would have happened if the hypothetical world imagined by these narratives existed. However, we can explain that weirs and small dams, not reservoirs or large dams, have been demolished, and they are removed for flood safety, legal obligations, and ecosystem restoration. Not removing obsolete or poorly maintained weirs poses a greater flood risk because it raises water levels in uncontrolled areas and can create blockages, according to two experts.

A third reason is that removing these obstacles promotes the continuity of rivers and allows water, sediments, fish, and other species to move freely through the basins, as explained by the European Environment Agency. This has a positive impact on water quality. These measures also help maintain river ecosystems in good condition and protect biodiversity, as noted by MITECO. This benefits, for instance, fish populations, providing both ecological and economic advantages (fishing).

We have also asked several experts to explain whether, in any case, river weirs could help reduce flooding, and we will update once responses are available.

My takeaways from this are:

1. weirs and small dams have been demolished sometimes because they were badly maintained (i.e. to save money on maintenance)

2. I was right about the ecological reasons behind this.

3. The jury seems to be still out pending expert opinions regarding the controversy whether weirs could help reduce flooding.

4. At least the Spanish authorities aren't trying to blame AGW or man-made climate change for every extreme weather event, unlike the Biased Broadcasting Corporation over here.

 

[SpeedyDux]

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The extra build cost is why the resi developers do not build houses that are actually flood resilient. The government should either ban all resi development on flood plains / in flood risk areas; or, amend the Building Regs to compel them to build flood resilient houses that fit your description. At present the Cartel puts less savvy housebuyers at risk.

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[David and Sally]

The extra build cost is why the resi developers do not build houses that are actually flood resilient. The government should either ban all resi development on flood plains / in flood risk areas; or, amend the Building Regs to compel them to build flood resilient houses that fit your description. At present the Cartel puts less savvy housebuyers at risk.

Why do the mortgage lenders still lend or the surveyors warn buyers of the risks. ? Surely that would make those houses unsaleable.

 

[Nanniemate]

Why do the mortgage lenders still lend or the surveyors warn buyers of the risks. ? Surely that would make those houses unsaleable.

It's quite easy pit in postcode and check flood risk on gov website.
Why wouldn't you ?
There are so many checks that you can carry out now without surveyors si you know before they step over the door or searches are completed

 

[AlunandFelicie]

Why do the mortgage lenders still lend or the surveyors warn buyers of the risks. ? Surely that would make those houses unsaleable.

Hasn’t the government (including previous governments) leaned on the insurance and mortgage companies to force them to lend on and insure flood prone developments as part of the housing strategy? I believe we all pay higher rates to mitigate the losses those companies incur

 

[Nanniemate]

Hasn’t the government (including previous governments) leaned on the insurance and mortgage companies to force them to lend on and insure flood prone developments as part of the housing strategy? I believe we all pay higher rates to mitigate the losses those companies incur

Do a quote search for Sion St and see how much
It would be interesting some have said they can't get it on that street
Not sure if it's not available or cost is unattainable

 

[Silver-Fox]

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That is true but if the flood water is more than a couple of feet deep you won’t be going home that night.

Then there is the sewage that is drawn into the flood water.

If and it’s a big if you build particularly on flood plains raise the lowest level of the property above any known flood heights.

You would need to do a lot of ground works to ensure dry feet and developers won’t spend the money.

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[Nanniemate]

That is true but if the flood water is more than a couple of feet deep you won’t be going home that night.

Then there is the sewage that is drawn into the flood water.

If and it’s a big if you build particularly on flood plains raise the lowest level of the property above any known flood heights.

You would need to do a lot of ground works to ensure dry feet and developers won’t spend the money.

My parents self build was on 1 storey high stilts looking over the bay for the view . But the approach to building was different to the little boxes that property developers have. (I live in a new build box)

 

[Silver-Fox]

But the approach to building was different to the little boxes that property developers have

This is the thing, it requires a massive amount of time and money to make access and the build a good one.

 

[Mullet Man]

Hasn’t the government (including previous governments) leaned on the insurance and mortgage companies to force them to lend on and insure flood prone developments as part of the housing strategy? I believe we all pay higher rates to mitigate the losses those companies incur

No.

 

[AlunandFelicie]

No.

‘Floodre is a Uk government scheme to assist owners of flood risk properties to get insurance’

 

[sedge]

‘Floodre is a Uk government scheme to assist owners of flood risk properties to get insurance’

The way that reinsurance has always, traditionally, worked in the UK (and let's not forget that Lloyd of London was also in the past the 'natural base' of insurers worldwide to provide that cover to their customers also worldwide) is that insurers have always 'laid off' some huge risks to those outlets, all quietly and efficiently completely unseen by the average man in the street insuring his whatever Bloggs and Co on the High Street. If he gets as far as the small print there will be info saying he's actually insured with Aviva or Sun Alliance etc etc. However the terms and conditions that those reinsurers apply to each contract can and will be different for each insurer. Head Office Finance function and not even apparent to those in the front offices. So the cover might only kick in when that insurer's cumulative claims for fire, flood, theft, volcanic eruption or Tsunami or whatever specific cause exceed several million or even several billion. I have no experience whatsoever of members of the public or a UK registered UK company or charity being able to approach a reinsurer themselves for insurance.

But I've now been retired from the industry (which always was more than 'a bit' er, incestuous might be an appropriate word or might not) since 1998 so simply no longer know what's currently what.

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