Fined after taking Chausson for hab check & service

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Molly A said:
Firstly nobody has called you names., but your views have been challenged robustly. You have made assertions with no evidence about a broad conspiracy between scientists, epidemiologists doctors and our admittedly mendacious government, but are to quite prepared to dismiss the ONS data on excess deaths because it does not fit without agenda.
Your point on positive cases not necessarily implying that someone is ill, is ignoring the impact of asymptomatic cases merrily spreading the disease into the population and therefore causing more damaging infections and deaths.
There is no medical evidence that exposure to others carrying the virus will build immunity, and medical studies have shown the potential for multiple reinfections are possible, that we only start to build immunity if we catch it and survive and there is no guarantee that immunity will persist as the virus mutates.So you are promoting another fallacious principle based on nothing but your own beliefs.
This is also evident in your conclusion that the spike in deaths is directly related to the rise in the numbers of those vaccinated. There is no data, evidence or connection available which substantiates this assertion. It is more likely that we are seeing the results of an increased level of household and generational mingling over the Christmas period which has served to spread the infection more widely, particularly the Kent variant which appears to be significantly more infectious than the initial variant.
So it would appear that by asserting that our natural immunity should take care of us in preventing infection and drawing an entirely fallacious link between vaccination and increased death rates you all also veering into anti vaxxer territory , another Facebook favourite trope.
Lockdown, despite its dire socio economic impacts, buys us time to establish a viable track and trace process( still waiting...) a vaccination programme to protect the population and importantly, a means of slowing the infection rates so that hospitals can cope with the excess demands on ICU.
Would you sacrifice yourself or your loved ones, or indeed, another 130000 deaths of other people's mothers fathers, spouses, siblings and, yes, chiildren to allow the early resumption of those freedoms you reference? Somehow I doubt it.
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You are clearly an expert perhaps you could share your credentials.............

Or is it just an opinion.......................
 
monzer said:
Sorry, as usual I'm a bit late to the thread and don't have time to read every page.

So why did the hab check guy have a gun and why was he shooting in to darkness after learning that the government had been lying to him about covid numbers?

And why was it dark? Something simple like a breaker or were the batteries totally gone?
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361 replies but this is the best one yet. 😂😂😂
 
David and Sally said:
Unlike many offences I think this is all down to the individual officer's interpretation. As far as the OP goes what has he to lose in appealing?
How do you interpret essential? An MOT is not only essential but a legal requirement.
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Not if its a secondary, non essential vehicle. There is no offence being without an MOT if its left on your drive / property. However it would be a legal requirement if it was kept on a public highway. In that case, the trip for an MOT is legal.
Not a trip for a Hab' test though. That is definitely not essential is it. The OP and the dealer should probably have known better.
 
Sorry. I think I have missed some pages out!!!

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Now what is this thread about? Fake thread on face ache, Covid or a one sided gun fight at the old coral.
 
Minxy Girl said:
You are wrong, no-one should have been there but it doesn't give him the right to shoot/kill them. However you also think it's okay to drop a bomb on China ... perhaps you're a liiiiitttttttlllllllleeee bit too excitable to make these sorts of decisions?
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no I'm perfectly rational& rarely get excited. It is just work to me.
 
Barclaybasher said:
You are clearly an expert perhaps you could share your credentials.............

Or is it just an opinion.......................
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No, facts freely available from official sources other than Facebook. Credentials are the ability to think critically and research data. Doesn't take an expert public health or epidemiology to call out those arguments, if they could be dignified with such a description.

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OMG... Whit a post
Started as a spoof post when somebody had read about 2 people going for a HAB check in van when they shouldn't do it... wouldnt have been caught if only one in van....but ok for mot because mot's are allowed because essential...to you dont/do need insurance if sorn'ed.. can't use moho to go essential shopping to Tescos..need to use essential car.. to police not responding to breakins..to its ok to break the rules if the side of your van falls off in storage...to covid is a con and "they are lying to us" and it is just a minor disease...to only shoot somebody if they are running towards you and not away or you be locked up..
Gosh have I missed anything.. sure I must have cause that was epic.
Ppphhheeewwww 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
 
tonyidle said:
Regardless of whether a lockdown is a good way to save lives longterm it definitely is the only way to ensure the NHS isn't overwhelmed. Which as I understand it as been the Government's intention all along.
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Exactly
 
Molly A said:
No, facts freely available from official sources other than Facebook. Credentials are the ability to think critically and research data. Doesn't take an expert public health or epidemiology to call out those arguments, if they could be dignified with such a description.
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So you are not an expert, just someone who has an opinion on statistics that others put forward...............and that's it... so in your own words........... it doesn't take an expert..............

There are NO experts in Covid 19.............
 
Peppadog said:
Not if its a secondary, non essential vehicle. There is no offence being without an MOT if its left on your drive / property. However it would be a legal requirement if it was kept on a public highway. In that case, the trip for an MOT is legal.
Not a trip for a Hab' test though. That is definitely not essential is it. The OP and the dealer should probably have known better.
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I have read through this thread, a number of members who keep quoting the term ‘essential’ a term which the press and others including politicians are using, however the legislation in regards to travelling states (below bold). Clearly everyone will all have their own idea of reasonable excuses, and there is a fair mix of those who agree with the initial thread creator, and those who strongly disagree. But reasonableness is an objective view, and a court will consider a subjective test if the person can convince them thats what they genuinely believed was reasonable, and it’ll be for the court to decide if it was reasonable... the test will not be whether the journey was essential. the term reasonable is a lower threshold than essential (as was the case in the first lockdown). Clearly we must all be mindful of staying at home to prevent the spread of this awful disease, but activity that seems necessary, and if carried out as safely as possible in the circumstances which can be justified as reasonable can still be conducted.

When you can leave home​

You must not leave or be outside of your home except where you have a ‘reasonable excuse’. This is the law. The police can take action against you if you leave home without a ‘reasonable excuse’, and issue you with a fine (Fixed Penalty Notice).

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Barclaybasher said:
So you are not an expert, just someone who has an opinion on statistics that others put forward...............and that's it... so in your own words........... it doesn't take an expert..............

There are NO experts in Covid 19.............
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I do not pretend to be, nor do i spout opinions which are clearly based on the murkier depth of the internet's crazier fringes .
If one doesn't wish to be called out on views which lack intellectual robustness one should stick to the data from reputable, independent sources rather than opinions whose logic and integrity all too easily countered.
However, this exchange clearly validates the old adage that one cannot educate ignorance, nor can one vaccinate against it....
 
Chazzer924 said:
I have read through this thread, a number of members who keep quoting the term ‘essential’ a term which the press and others including politicians are using, however the legislation in regards to travelling states (below bold). Clearly everyone will all have their own idea of reasonable excuses, and there is a fair mix of those who agree with the initial thread creator, and those who strongly disagree. But reasonableness is an objective view, and a court will consider a subjective test if the person can convince them thats what they genuinely believed was reasonable, and it’ll be for the court to decide if it was reasonable... the test will not be whether the journey was essential. the term reasonable is a lower threshold than essential (as was the case in the first lockdown). Clearly we must all be mindful of staying at home to prevent the spread of this awful disease, but activity that seems necessary, and if carried out as safely as possible in the circumstances which can be justified as reasonable can still be conducted.

When you can leave home​

You must not leave or be outside of your home except where you have a ‘reasonable excuse’. This is the law. The police can take action against you if you leave home without a ‘reasonable excuse’, and issue you with a fine (Fixed Penalty Notice).
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Good analysis.
 
Molly A said:
I do not pretend to be, nor do i spout opinions which are clearly based on the murkier depth of the internet's crazier fringes .
If one doesn't wish to be called out on views which lack intellectual robustness one should stick to the data from reputable, independent sources rather than opinions whose logic and integrity all too easily countered.
However, this exchange clearly validates the old adage that one cannot educate ignorance, nor can one vaccinate against it....
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Smugness does not become you.........or maybe it does

Still no evidence of any expertise...........
 
frogijock said:
Just think if the police had not been busy with you they may have had to arrest some poor criminal
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Really? You think if a call came in of a more serious nature they would have ignored it? Apart from that, the roads policing force has a first duty to roads policing. They are called upon to do other jobs, but what you are saying is they should ignore this?

What may have tipped this is the fact that there were two people in the motorhome. Obviously travelled to Newark by other means, so no need for two. Therefore the passenger was definitely outside the rules. Having said that, I guess an appeal may get this quashed.
 
The number of people on this thread that think they are special! The rules are very simple. If you have a car, do your shopping in that. If the motorhome is your only source of transport, use it! It doesn't matter if you don't actually own the car you have on the drive, it is registered to you if it is a company car at the company or lease company that supplies it. If it is a "Pool" car, then it will be booked out to you every time you take it. Trying to find ways round it is just plain silly. Why have some owners to be so argumentative when they know that they are in the wrong, at least morally!

Covid is terrible and I would not wish it on anyone. Flouting the rules is what's keeping it going round. Travelling 75 miles and maybe picking up the virus from the steering wheel or gear lever, door handles or many other surfaces and taking it back home is not wise. Lots are asymptomatic so you could contract it from anywhere.

If your vehicle is on your property, you have no need to take it anywhere, for anything. It can wait. Sorry to go on, I know some won't be happy, but maybe they are the ones who have not lost anyone...

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Rumour and Innuendo said:
The rules are very simple. If you have a car, do your shopping in that. If the motorhome is your only source of transport, use it!
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By rules I presume you mean the laws produced by the Gov. and laid out in an official document. Can you put a link to an official Gov. document which states;

If you have a car and and also have a motorhome then the car must be used in preference to the motorhome when you drive out for essential shopping ?
 
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Sandancers said:
By rules I presume you mean the laws produced by the Gov. and laid out in an official document. Can you put a link to an official Gov. document which states;

If you have a car and and also have a motorhome then the car must be used in preference to the car when you drive out for essential shopping ?
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Yep, I did know that but tried to avoid the pedants on here who will argue that they are not laws but rules. But here you are trying to prove a point. I am quite sure you know how to Google and read from Google. Try it, it is empowering. Perhaps read the OP about a guy using his motorhome for a non essencial journey and getting fined for it?

I'll leave it with you...
 
Rumour and Innuendo said:
Yep, I did know that but tried to avoid the pedants on here who will argue that they are not laws but rules. But here you are trying to prove a point. I am quite sure you know how to Google and read from Google. Try it, it is empowering. Perhaps read the OP about a guy using his motorhome for a non essencial journey and getting fined for it?

I'll leave it with you...
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In other words you decline to back up your statement, fair enough.
 
Rumour and Innuendo said:
The rules are very simple. If you have a car, do your shopping in that.
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Oki doki... I have followed this thread from the very start and I have read a lot about you MUST use a car to do essential shopping.
I therefore challenge you to publish the revalent rules here on this forum which state that you must only use a car for essential shopping.
On receipt of above rules I will quite gladly offer a full apology and donate £20 to Jim charity
(Assuming he shows me how to). Over to you Rumour and Innuendo
 
Sandancers said:
In other words you decline to back up your statement, fair enough.
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You really are a pedant! I don't have to back up any statement! That is the rules as I understand them. You may well put a different interpretation on it, but given the fact that the police are stopping leisure vehicles and asking the question, and fining people without a good enough reason to be out in it, how can you argue with that?

I have always believed that some people could actually argue with themselves if no one else was around, I'll bet you are one of them. It is simple really, be sensible and do what you want, but if you just want to flout the rules/laws just because they are there, more fool you. Have a nice evening...

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Rumour and Innuendo said:
You really are a pedant! I don't have to back up any statement! That is the rules as I understand them. You may well put a different interpretation on it, but given the fact that the police are stopping leisure vehicles and asking the question, and fining people without a good enough reason to be out in it, how can you argue with that?

I have always believed that some people could actually argue with themselves if no one else was around, I'll bet you are one of them. It is simple really, be sensible and do what you want, but if you just want to flout the rules/laws just because they are there, more fool you. Have a nice evening...
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OOOhhhhh, hit a nerve somewhere did I ? So sorry.

But you told me that the rules stated that taking a MH to a supermarket for shopping was illegal if I also owned a car.

I only asked you to prove it !!

As you cannot / will not prove it then obviously I will assume it was a false statement.
 
poppycamper said:
Oki doki... I have followed this thread from the very start and I have read a lot about you MUST use a car to do essential shopping.
I therefore challenge you to publish the revalent rules here on this forum which state that you must only use a car for essential shopping.
On receipt of above rules I will quite gladly offer a full apology and donate £20 to Jim charity
(Assuming he shows me how to). Over to you Rumour and Innuendo
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Oh dear, another pedant! I never said must! Where did you get that from? And the quote is "If you have a car, do your shopping in that. If the motorhome is your only source of transport, use it!" nowhere did I say you must! If you are talking about the preceding sentence, the full stop denotes the end. To have that as a carry on into the next sentence, there would have been a comma.
 
Sandancers said:
OOOhhhhh, hit a nerve somewhere did I ? So sorry.

But you told me that the rules stated that taking a MH to a supermarket for shopping was illegal if I also owned a car.

I only asked you to prove it !!

As you cannot / will not prove it then obviously I will assume it was a false statement.
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Now you are just making it up! I never said that at all. If you have run out of reasoned argument, I reckon you should put the JCB away and stop digging!
 
Rumour and Innuendo said:
Perhaps read the OP about a guy using his motorhome for a non essencial journey and getting fined for it?
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As you have just admitted yourself... using a motorhome for non essential journey...
Going to Tesco is an essential journey be it a car a bike a 42t truck a van or a MOTORHOME.
 
poppycamper said:
As you have just admitted yourself... using a motorhome for non essential journey...
Going to Tesco is an essential journey be it a car a bike a 42t truck a van or a MOTORHOME.
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Just looked at your previous posts. 942 and I struggled to find many constructive posts at all. So I guess you just come on here to argue.. Not will me pal.

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