Euro 4 and 5

[ashleyalcaline]

Hello everyone, this question keeps coming up
Just trying to get a general idea of how people are dealing with restriction to anything below euro 6 ? Is this a bigger problem for commercial users ? My current van is only euro 5 but looking at coach conversion which within my budget tends to be euro4 - would appreciate your answers
Regards

 

[1967bowesj]

Don’t go into the areas that are starting to “clean up the air” by stopping all these pollutants from vehicles, use rural or coastal areas and the cities can dry up and all the shops close, unless you use the buses to get into these areas.
Remember it’s just a money making thing, if it was to clean the air then simply ban those that pollute!

 

[dunnah01]

Pay to pollute is being rolled out at more and more cities but so far never had any problems with our Euro IV 4 25t van except for Abbey Wood in that there London no longer being an option but public transport exists there, all the other cities have pretty woeful public transport so if I need to go to then it could be a problem

 

[ashleyalcaline]

Don’t go into the areas that are starting to “clean up the air” by stopping all these pollutants from vehicles, use rural or coastal areas and the cities can dry up and all the shops close, unless you use the buses to get into these areas.
Remember it’s just a money making thing, if it was to clean the air then simply ban those that pollute!

I totally agree with you, like I said my sprinter is 5 and have had no issues for the last 3 years, as I tend to and prefer to stay away from cities, and take the scenic route, it’s just that I found a coach for sale 2002 Volvo b10 which is euro 4, friend of mine is saying soon I won’t be able to drive anywhere, my understanding is as long as I stay away from the city type (restricted areas) I would be ok right ?

 

[ashleyalcaline]

Pay to pollute is being rolled out at more and more cities but so far never had any problems with our Euro IV 4 25t van except for Abbey Wood in that there London no longer being an option but public transport exists there, all the other cities have pretty woeful public transport so if I need to go to then it could be a problem

lol I live in London and planning to move out very soon and I have a euro 5 van ulez is going to cost me soon. Who wants to go to cities anyway I certainly had enough of it after 49years

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[Brains]

I simply would not buy any diesel vehicle older than 2014/Euro 6

At the moment a 2013 Euro 5 vehicle is priced a few percent less than those that are one year newer and Euro 6, however the reality is they should be half the price.

Sooner or later the older Euro vehicles will find larger and larger areas where they are forbidden.
Today its the centre of 5 cities in the UK.
By the end of 2023 it will be the centre of about 30 UK cities
5-7 years from now it will not only nearly every major city, but also many larger towns.
Then they start to restrict major traffic pinch points such as road bridges, sections of main road forcing the older vehicles to take the long way around

Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol and the Lake District are looking at a collective idea of banning all non Euro 6 vehicles from the M5/M6 corridor down the entire western side of England.

A decade from now will you be able to drive a Euro 5 or earlier van from Lands End to John O'Groats ?

I suspect it will still be possible, but it will be a very convoluted route avoiding all cities, most major towns, the main bridges and most of the motorway system

 

[ashleyalcaline]

I simply would not buy any diesel vehicle older than 2014/Euro 6

At the moment a 2013 Euro 5 vehicle is priced a few percent less than those that are one year newer and Euro 6, however the reality is they should be half the price.

Sooner or later the older Euro vehicles will find larger and larger areas where they are forbidden.
Today its the centre of 5 cities in the UK.
By the end of 2023 it will be the centre of about 30 UK cities
5-7 years from now it will not only nearly every major city, but also many larger towns.
Then they start to restrict major traffic pinch points such as road bridges, sections of main road forcing the older vehicles to take the long way around

Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol and the Lake District are looking at a collective idea of banning all non Euro 6 vehicles from the M5/M6 corridor down the entire western side of England.

A decade from now will you be able to drive a Euro 5 or earlier van from Lands End to John O'Groats ?

I suspect it will still be possible, but it will be a very convoluted route avoiding all cities, most major towns, the main bridges and most of the motorway system

Ah ok, I presume you have a euro 6 then ?

 

[Phill D]

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Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol and the Lake District are looking at a collective idea of banning all non Euro 6 vehicles from the M5/M6 corridor down the entire western side of England.

interesting statement, as i have a euro V and have little intention of changing I would interested in reading the source of your information, if its available.

 

[dunnah01]

I simply would not buy any diesel vehicle older than 2014/Euro 6

At the moment a 2013 Euro 5 vehicle is priced a few percent less than those that are one year newer and Euro 6, however the reality is they should be half the price.

Sooner or later the older Euro vehicles will find larger and larger areas where they are forbidden.
Today its the centre of 5 cities in the UK.
By the end of 2023 it will be the centre of about 30 UK cities
5-7 years from now it will not only nearly every major city, but also many larger towns.
Then they start to restrict major traffic pinch points such as road bridges, sections of main road forcing the older vehicles to take the long way around

Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol and the Lake District are looking at a collective idea of banning all non Euro 6 vehicles from the M5/M6 corridor down the entire western side of England.

A decade from now will you be able to drive a Euro 5 or earlier van from Lands End to John O'Groats ?

I suspect it will still be possible, but it will be a very convoluted route avoiding all cities, most major towns, the main bridges and most of the motorway system

Euro VI will be punished in a couple years so where do you draw the line for a motorhome doing 5k a year

 

[ChrisL]

I simply would not buy any diesel vehicle older than 2014/Euro 6

At the moment a 2013 Euro 5 vehicle is priced a few percent less than those that are one year newer and Euro 6, however the reality is they should be half the price.

Sooner or later the older Euro vehicles will find larger and larger areas where they are forbidden.
Today its the centre of 5 cities in the UK.
By the end of 2023 it will be the centre of about 30 UK cities
5-7 years from now it will not only nearly every major city, but also many larger towns.
Then they start to restrict major traffic pinch points such as road bridges, sections of main road forcing the older vehicles to take the long way around

Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol and the Lake District are looking at a collective idea of banning all non Euro 6 vehicles from the M5/M6 corridor down the entire western side of England.

A decade from now will you be able to drive a Euro 5 or earlier van from Lands End to John O'Groats ?

I suspect it will still be possible, but it will be a very convoluted route avoiding all cities, most major towns, the main bridges and most of the motorway system

My van is Euro 3, i've had no issues travelling anywhere I want to go, I don't want to travel into cities, there are some areas in France where there might be an issue if pollution is high and the areas become off limits for short periods, but there is always a way around, I have a motorcycle that is ULEZ friendly and I use that if I wish to visit anywhere inside the zone.

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[ianp]

Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol and the Lake District are looking at a collective idea of banning all non Euro 6 vehicles from the M5/M6 corridor down the entire western side of England.

I'm not even sure that travelling / restricting travel on the motorways is within the gift of councils is it?
Anyway forget engine emissions, the next issue that is soon to hit home is the particulate pollution caused by the tyre compounds wearing, apparently much more injurious to health then the emissions of E5/E6 engines etc...........

 

[the1andonly]

Euro VI will be punished in a couple years so where do you draw the line for a motorhome doing 5k a year

the discrepancy in selling price between 6 and lower will only increase and euro 6 will not be penalised until the majority of commercial vans are euro6 then the tide will turn and 6 will not be exempted. Then look to spend £100 a day almost anywhere, Yes expect the M6 around manchester to be charged. "they" don't want us to have the freedom.

 

[pagey]

it wont be long until we we be back to horses and carts then i suppose there will be a tax on horse shi*

 

[poppycamper]

I simply would not buy any diesel vehicle older than 2014/Euro 6

At the moment a 2013 Euro 5 vehicle is priced a few percent less than those that are one year newer and Euro 6, however the reality is they should be half the price.

Sooner or later the older Euro vehicles will find larger and larger areas where they are forbidden.
Today its the centre of 5 cities in the UK.
By the end of 2023 it will be the centre of about 30 UK cities
5-7 years from now it will not only nearly every major city, but also many larger towns.
Then they start to restrict major traffic pinch points such as road bridges, sections of main road forcing the older vehicles to take the long way around

Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol and the Lake District are looking at a collective idea of banning all non Euro 6 vehicles from the M5/M6 corridor down the entire western side of England.

A decade from now will you be able to drive a Euro 5 or earlier van from Lands End to John O'Groats ?

I suspect it will still be possible, but it will be a very convoluted route avoiding all cities, most major towns, the main bridges and most of the motorway system

I simply would not buy any diesel vehicle older than 2014/Euro 6

At the moment a 2013 Euro 5 vehicle is priced a few percent less than those that are one year newer and Euro 6, however the reality is they should be half the price.

Sooner or later the older Euro vehicles will find larger and larger areas where they are forbidden.
Today its the centre of 5 cities in the UK.
By the end of 2023 it will be the centre of about 30 UK cities
5-7 years from now it will not only nearly every major city, but also many larger towns.
Then they start to restrict major traffic pinch points such as road bridges, sections of main road forcing the older vehicles to take the long way around

Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol and the Lake District are looking at a collective idea of banning all non Euro 6 vehicles from the M5/M6 corridor down the entire western side of England.

A decade from now will you be able to drive a Euro 5 or earlier van from Lands End to John O'Groats ?

I suspect it will still be possible, but it will be a very convoluted route avoiding all cities, most major towns, the main bridges and most of the motorway system

You seem VERY confident that your Euro 6 will always be compliant..

 

[gus-lopez]

I just ignore them.

it’s just that I found a coach for sale 2002 Volvo b10 which is euro 4,

You need to make sure 100% that you can convert the coach to a motorhome as I was reading a thread only last night where someone had bought one but they are not on the list of convertable vehicles issued by dvla. Therefore it can't be changed to goods or a class 4 mot but would remain a coach with all the nonsense required to keep it on the road.

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[Brains]

You seem VERY confident that your Euro 6 will always be compliant..

Yes, it will be until such time as Euro 7 comes out (which for the larger motorhomes will be in 2027, but you know how these dates get moved on by a few years .... )
or
At least 25% of the private vehicles on the road are electric.

Either way I think Euro 6 is safe, even in urban/LEZ areas, until at least the mid 2030's

Although I can foresee a slow introduction of a progressively higher toll for entering a LEZ from the early 2030's onwards. Whereas Euro 5 vehicles are already effectively banned from the LEZ zones

Hence: I would not buy a Euro 5 (or earlier) diesel powered vehicle, unless it was either dirt cheap (IE less than half price of the the same vehicle, one year newer and Euro 6), or it was a banger intended for short term use.

As I stated earlier, I think Euro 5 vehicles are grossly overpriced.
Within a few years people who have spent their hard earned cash on Euro 5 motorhomes will end up being stuck with the motorhome equivalent of a home in negative equity.

 

[gus-lopez]

At least 25% of the private vehicles on the road are electric.

could be a while as at the mo it is less than 3% as at december 2022

 

[Reallyretired]

I have no problem with my Euro5 motorhome as I never visit any urban areas, and rarely anywhere else in the UK.

 

[Brains]

could be a while as at the mo it is less than 3% as at december 2022

But could be over 50% by December 2042 .......

 

[Tonks]

Within a few years people who have spent their hard earned cash on Euro 5 motorhomes will end up being stuck with the motorhome equivalent of a home in negative equity.

That may well be true, but my option is to keep my excellent condition Euro5 campervan, which is fully paid for, and accept that it's going to cost more over time to use it. (I'm not likely to be visiting LEZ/CAZ places, but in due course I expect that it will be impossible without huge detours to get to some of the places I like to visit without transiting an LEZ/CAZ.)
The other option is to replace my van with a newer model. This would mean a very large loan or HP agreement (def don't want that at the moment, and ideally not at all) in order to make any sort of significant upgrade, and in real use terms would make absolutely no difference to the way I use my van or the level of comfort. So, pay charges as and when I need to, or make finance payments every single month in order to upgrade...
If planning to keep a van for some time, I'd still say it's better to keep what you have, especially if it's finance/loan free. But if you're planning to change, then deciding when to do that against when the value of older vans will drop off hard will be the challenge, as you say.

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[ChrisL]

It's interesting to see that some councils are taking Mayor Khan to court in an effort to overturn the expansion of his fund raising pay to pollute tax, if they are successful it may transpire that at least in London things may continue as they are now. I think if he actually believed in democracy and had a referendum on the issue maybe things would not change or at least if people did vote for it to expand it would be the will of London residents.

 

[stuartholmes]

Hello everyone, this question keeps coming up
Just trying to get a general idea of how people are dealing with restriction to anything below euro 6 ? Is this a bigger problem for commercial users ? My current van is only euro 5 but looking at coach conversion which within my budget tends to be euro4 - would appreciate your answers
Regards

I'm very happy to have recently 'moved up' to a Euro 6 vehicle because of using it to visit family inside the London zone.
Wouldn't want to put a lot of time or money into something you'd struggle to get many years' use out of. The restricted areas can only get bigger.

 

[KUSKUS]

My van is 2014 Euro five ad blue and as far as I can see compatibile with all low emissions zones in the UK including ULEZ, when is the changing to stop me using it.?

 

[Jolak]

I have a 2015 Peugeot Boxer based Elddis Majestic which does not use Ad Blue. I take it that it's likely to be Euro 5? Is there a way I can find out? Would the V5 tell me anything or the vehicle handbook?

 

[Dazzola]

But could be over 50% by December 2042 .......

We will never get to 50% ev on the roads, have a look into the figures of the mining that would need to be done for the raw materials, and how long it would take to manufacture the batteries.
The capacity isn't there, and the earth cannot supply what would be needed.
EV cars are not the way it's going to go.

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[dunnah01]

Has the legislation to add points to the penalty for no number plates been passed yet? Asking for a friend obvs..

 

[RidersofRohan]

I’ve just got a Crit Air No 2 for my 2014 Euro5 van, and it’s ok for Ulez according its registration mark.
When you look at the specs there is hardly any difference between E5 and E6.
I‘m not buying another van so if I can’t use it or sell it I will get it towed to the Yorkshire coast and use it as a static. But that won’t be for a while I suspect.

 

[Just smiffy]

My 2011 3ltr van’s taxation class is disabled so I don’t have any restrictions or costs going into any city….

 

[jongood]

I simply would not buy any diesel vehicle older than 2014/Euro 6

At the moment a 2013 Euro 5 vehicle is priced a few percent less than those that are one year newer and Euro 6, however the reality is they should be half the price.

Sooner or later the older Euro vehicles will find larger and larger areas where they are forbidden.
Today its the centre of 5 cities in the UK.
By the end of 2023 it will be the centre of about 30 UK cities
5-7 years from now it will not only nearly every major city, but also many larger towns.
Then they start to restrict major traffic pinch points such as road bridges, sections of main road forcing the older vehicles to take the long way around

Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol and the Lake District are looking at a collective idea of banning all non Euro 6 vehicles from the M5/M6 corridor down the entire western side of England.

A decade from now will you be able to drive a Euro 5 or earlier van from Lands End to John O'Groats ?

I suspect it will still be possible, but it will be a very convoluted route avoiding all cities, most major towns, the main bridges and most of the motorway system

I wouldnt buy Euro6 because I dont want all the electronics and I especially dont want adblue. My motor is Euro3, nice and simple, I dont do Crit Air/ umwelt etc and stay away from places that do.

If it all gets too difficult in the future I will fit a couple of big electric motors and tow a Diesel Genny

 

[jongood]

But could be over 50% by December 2042 .......

In another 19 years - hilarious