EU Pet passport.. latest information??

[Kozikot]

In relation to my comments earlier there is an 'alert' on the linked page which supports my supposition that the issue is the address being a GB one, if it is an EU address it should (in theory!) be okay to use it:

From 1 January 2021, EU pet passports issued to a pet owner resident in Great Britain are no longer valid for travel with pets from Great Britain to an EU country or Northern Ireland.​

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EU rules on travelling with pets and other animals in the EU - Your Europe

Rules for travelling with dogs, cats and ferrets in the EU and to the EU from abroad; information on pet passports and EU animal health certificate; information on other pets; rules for entry to the EU from a non-EU country.

europa.eu

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The bigger issue is, if I understand all of this correctly, that in order to get a EU passport you in effect have to tell a porkie and use an EU address, if you use your GB address it 'could' cause issues.

Think the problem with trying to use the UK PP would be the Front Cover...

 

[maz]

Also from the europa.ec website is the following information:

This is under the ‘Exceptions’ heading and really needs to be read with the rest of the page, link below:
https://ec.europa.eu/food/animals/m...n/non-commercial-movement-non-eu-countries_en

It effectively says that to enter the EU from a third country, you do not need an AHC but can use an EU Pet Passport that you obtained on a previous visit.

 

[maz]

In relation to my comments earlier there is an 'alert' on the linked page which supports my supposition that the issue is the address being a GB one, if it is an EU address it should (in theory!) be okay to use it:

From 1 January 2021, EU pet passports issued to a pet owner resident in Great Britain are no longer valid for travel with pets from Great Britain to an EU country or Northern Ireland.​

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EU rules on travelling with pets and other animals in the EU - Your Europe

Rules for travelling with dogs, cats and ferrets in the EU and to the EU from abroad; information on pet passports and EU animal health certificate; information on other pets; rules for entry to the EU from a non-EU country.

europa.eu

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The bigger issue is, if I understand all of this correctly, that in order to get a EU passport you in effect have to tell a porkie and use an EU address, if you use your GB address it 'could' cause issues.

That paragraph appeared on the Animal Health Certificate Facebook group months ago, and was repeatedly posted by one Bruce Dowding and a few groupies. The consensus was that this paragraph refers to GB-issued Pet Passports, which obviously became invalid from 1 Jan 2021. Otherwise there is nothing on that webpage that informs you of that important point.

Re the ‘bigger issue’, who is the stated owner’s address going to cause issues with? Border Control are not the slightest bit interested in the owner’s address. Americans, Australians etc have been using EU Pet Passports for years to travel into the EU without problems. Why should Brits be treated any differently to any other third country? If the address in the Pet Passport can be ‘changed at any moment’ what’s to stop anyone writing in their favourite European campsite address whenever they choose?

NB This is not a go at you Minxy but at the ludicrousness of the situation.

 

[Minxy]

It effectively says that to enter the EU from a third country, you do not need an AHC but can use an EU Pet Passport that you obtained on a previous visit.

It gets more confusing! If a PP has been issued by an 'authorised vet' prior to us leaving the Union then as our PPs were issued before then by an authorised vet in the UK should they still be valid????? My head hurts!

 

[Minxy]

NB This is not a go at you @Minxy but at the ludicrousness of the situation.

I know, as I've just posted it gets even sillier!

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[maz]

It gets more confusing! If a PP has been issued by an 'authorised vet' prior to us leaving the Union then as our PPs were issued before then by an authorised vet in the UK should they still be valid????? My head hurts!

No, the ‘before leaving the Union’ bit refers to visiting the EU from a third country and then obtaining a Pet Passport before exiting from the EU to go back to that third country. That webpage refers to all non-EU countries and is not going to have a specific provision for one particular country that was once part of the EU and then decided to leave it.

 

[Darling]

Last year the lady at Brittany Ferries check in told us we should get a Spain Pet Passport which we did with our local vet. He registered the passports to our Spanish address and registered their chips with Spanish tracking system. He also gave them additional rabies injection and assured us these passports would now be all we need to use from now on. Not going back until April so hoping these will be ok

 

[Mousy]

We’ve just had a Spanish vet issue a new PP and rabies 3 year vaccine for €30. Pets world La Zenia

shes filled in the check microchip section which has the same date as the rabies vac. Am I right in thinking that as long as we are away for at least 21 days, we will be ok to return to Uk? Does it matter that the chip date and vac date are the same?

 

[xsparks]

Did you need a local address?

 

[Mousy]

Did you need a local address?

She was happy to use our campsite.

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[Minxy]

No, the ‘before leaving the Union’ bit refers to visiting the EU from a third country and then obtaining a Pet Passport before exiting from the EU to go back to that third country. That webpage refers to all non-EU countries and is not going to have a specific provision for one particular country that was once part of the EU and then decided to leave it.

Yeah I know but it shows just how silly it is and how it can be interpreted differently ... it would be wonderful if it was as I said thought wouldn't it!

 

[Minxy]

We’ve just had a Spanish vet issue a new PP and rabies 3 year vaccine for €30. Pets world La Zenia

shes filled in the check microchip section which has the same date as the rabies vac. Am I right in thinking that as long as we are away for at least 21 days, we will be ok to return to Uk? Does it matter that the chip date and vac date are the same?

Great stuff! I've been researching where to get our pooches done when we go over and that'll be perfect!

 

[maz]

We’ve just had a Spanish vet issue a new PP and rabies 3 year vaccine for €30. Pets world La Zenia

shes filled in the check microchip section which has the same date as the rabies vac. Am I right in thinking that as long as we are away for at least 21 days, we will be ok to return to Uk? Does it matter that the chip date and vac date are the same?

The microchip read date and vaccination date being the same is fine. The 21 days ‘wait’ period doesn’t apply if the rabies booster was given before the previous one expired. But it will depend on what date the vet has entered in the pet passport as the ‘valid from’ date.

 

[Mousy]

The microchip read date and vaccination date being the same is fine. The 21 days ‘wait’ period doesn’t apply if the rabies booster was given before the previous one expired. But it will depend on what date the vet has entered in the pet passport as the ‘valid from’ date.

Pretty sure ours will be ok. The chip date and rabies valid from are the same date.

In regards to the address, there are actually lots of space for additional addresses.

 

[maz]

Mousy

Interestingly, your vet has left the ‘valid from’ date box empty. This is fine according to the ‘How to Complete Pet Passports’ booklet. See below:

Also interestingly, the ‘valid until’ date is 2 days earlier than expected. I wonder why the vet entered 14 Feb 2025 instead of 16 Feb 2025? And at first glance the two dates seem to have been written by different hands with different pens!

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[Minxy]

Mousy

Interestingly, your vet has left the ‘valid from’ date box empty. This is fine according to the ‘How to Complete Pet Passports’ booklet. See below:

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Also interestingly, the ‘valid until’ date is 2 days earlier than expected. I wonder why the vet entered 14 Feb 2025 instead of 16 Feb 2025? And at first glance the two dates seem to have been written by different hands with different pens!

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Leap year in 2024 thus deducting an extra day?

 

[Minxy]

She was happy to use our campsite.

Did you have to show proof?

 

[Figaro]

Minxy I think the paragraph below from the europa.eu website Peg Star linked to is just a badly worded piece, leading to the confusion.
I think it refers to UK issued EU PP's, not EU PP.
Another error being that no PP required for entry into NI from UK or GB as they refer.

"From 1 January 2021, EU pet passports issued to a pet owner resident in Great Britain are no longer valid for travel with pets from Great Britain to an EU country or Northern Ireland"

Apologies if you'd all already reached that conclusion

 

[Mousy]

Did you have to show proof?

No she just asked what address would we like?

 

[maz]

Interesting. The first reply quoted is pretty much the same as one posted on the Animal Health Certificate Facebook group, by an Ian Credland on 16 February. This link to it may or may not work ….
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3614458798622552/

Also interesting is the fact that the posts started by Ian Credland (both the one dated 16 Feb and a more recent one) have now vanished from the Facebook group. I wonder why?

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[Charente16]

Reference my previous Post #16: it transpires that the '90 Day' ruling re the issue of Pet Passports applies to Second Home owners as well as visitors. Just having an address in France is no longer a valid reason for the issue of a EU Pet Passport.

The 'pet' in question has to be registered with I - CAD, an agency of the Min of Ag and this has to to be done through a Vet in accordance with the rules. You are also 'supposed' to advise them of the 'passing' of your pet! The issue of a new French/EU Pet Passports to British owners' can only be done on the basis of prior I - CAD registration which requires that the pet has been in France for in excess of ninety days.

Source, The ConnexionFrance.com

Robert

 

[Thedriver]

If you look at the "details of ownership" page on previous post PP, at the bottom it says (optional), Does that put to bed whether or not we have to have an address on the PP, my Irish PP has no address. Or does it depend on the requirements of the country that issued the PP?
If that is the case, that over rules the "optional" at the bottom of that page. Bruce. ( confused again) Sorry I seem to have started this thread off again.

 

[maz]

If you look at the "details of ownership" page on previous post PP, at the bottom it says (optional), Does that put to bed whether or not we have to have an address on the PP, my Irish PP has no address. Or does it depend on the requirements of the country that issued the PP?
If that is the case, that over rules the "optional" at the bottom of that page. Bruce. ( confused again) Sorry I seem to have started this thread off again.

Hi Bruce. It’s only the telephone number that is optional - indicated by the asterisk.

 

[Thedriver]

Hi Bruce. It’s only the telephone number that is optional - indicated by the asterisk.

Hi maz, Thanks for reply, I missed that. But when I went back to have another look I noticed that underneath the address details there should be a signature , Missing, No asterisk to exclude that. So should my vet in Eire have put an address in there or can we ad one, should be ok because of multiple address's possible. Sorry I 'm a bit behind with this, I thought I had sorted it with my trip to Ireland. Bruce

 

[maz]

Hi maz, Thanks for reply, I missed that. But when I went back to have another look I noticed that underneath the address details there should be a signature , Missing, No asterisk to exclude that. So should my vet in Eire have put an address in there or can we ad one, should be ok because of multiple address's possible. Sorry I 'm a bit behind with this, I thought I had sorted it with my trip to Ireland. Bruce

Yes, you are quite right - a signature is required. Perhaps Mousy hadn’t got round to doing that when she posted the photos. If not, it’s good that you have pointed that out so she can fill it in.

Re the address: yes, you should have something in there. You can write it in yourself. If you read through this thread you will see there is some debate as to whether the address should be in the EU or whether it can be a UK(GB) address. There is nothing in EU legislation that specifies this has to be an EU address, and indeed my dog’s French pet passport has my UK address in it and has been used with no problems. And as you have noted, the address can be changed by the owner anyway. I’ll leave it up to you what address you choose to enter.

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[Downsie]

Just looked in my Irish passport. The signature required on page 4 is surely that of the owner. Details of the vet are on page 7. I have no intention of signing page 4 now though, be terrified I could invalidate the whole thing. I could always prove my identity with my own passport.

 

[maz]

Just looked in my Irish passport. The signature required on page 4 is surely that of the owner. Details of the vet are on page 7. I have no intention of signing page 4 now though, be terrified I could invalidate the whole thing. I could always prove my identity with my own passport.

Yes, the signature has to be that of the owner. Apologies that I didn’t make that clear in my reply to Bruce.

 

[Thedriver]

Yes, you are quite right - a signature is required. Perhaps Mousy hadn’t got round to doing that when she posted the photos. If not, it’s good that you have pointed that out so she can fill it in.

Re the address: yes, you should have something in there. You can write it in yourself. If you read through this thread you will see there is some debate as to whether the address should be in the EU or whether it can be a UK(GB) address. There is nothing in EU legislation that specifies this has to be an EU address, and indeed my dog’s French pet passport has my UK address in it and has been used with no problems. And as you have noted, the address can be changed by the owner anyway. I’ll leave it up to you what address you choose to enter.

Hi Maz, again, I have some catching up to do, Haven't been on here for a while , following engine blowing out a piston on return from Ireland. I also Have Fibromyalgia and suffered a massive flare up of symptoms after covid vaxine, like having long covid, still not over it.
This PP thing needs more dots and eyes than we seem to have thought originally.
Most expensive holliday I have had for a while, Scotland, west coast Ireland and back then BANG on M62. £4000 for engine rebuild Ouch. Merc parts not cheap. Bruce.

 

[Thedriver]

Posted in error

 

[Mousy]

Thanks for pointing out that I need to sign our passport.

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