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Sophie here, my parent’s are French residents. So sorry for all you people on here who voted to leave the Eu well i am ok today i became a French puppy. I hope i don’t get sent to coventry Jim for this post?We keep the original rabies paperwork with the pet passport so hope an Irish vet will accept that.
You'll be OK TerryL you have friends behind the trenchesWe keep the original rabies paperwork with the pet passport so hope an Irish vet will accept that.
Says it all reallyJust to add - 2 x passports including rabies boosters cost just over 80 euros. Vets for wormers for return cost 22 euros for 2 dogs supplying own tablets
AHC £225 for 2 dogs
Any country except the uk. Any entry in an EU passport by a uk vet will invalidate it.I assume that if you have a pet passport issued in an EU country, you can get the rabies booster in any country irrespective of country of issue?
Any EU Country,not Turkey ectAny country except the uk. Any entry in an EU passport by a uk vet will invalidate it.
Isn't that fraud?. I know it wasn't done with any criminal intent but if the library sent out some sort of new member welcome pack to me and I hadn't joined I'd be worried about identity theft.The problem with your address is that E.U vets could take it from higher regulations that they cannot issue a passport to UK residents.
But as we found out years ago in Spain and needing to use the library for Wi-Fi, that wanted a local address, which was easy as looking up at a street name and number, Instant address.
The only reason you could be refused is if there are errors on the passport. As long as you check everything is in order no need to worry or waste your money.Watching this with interest... I have an untested PP that I will be using in May to santander. Low risk, but high consequences - I was musing on getting AHC as back-up. Hopefully anyone who uses one and is refused will report it here, together with why....
So your untested PP wasn't Issued in mainland EU ? Assume it was Issued in Eire...If so, didn't you test it on your return to Mainland UK ?Watching this with interest... I have an untested PP that I will be using in May to santander. Low risk, but high consequences - I was musing on getting AHC as back-up. Hopefully anyone who uses one and is refused will report it here, together with why....
Oops, should’ve made that clear!Any EU Country,not Turkey ect
No opportunity is available to ‘test’ an EU passport issued in EireSo your untested PP wasn't Issued in mainland EU ? Assume it was Issued in Eire...If so, didn't you test it on your return to Mainland UK ?
I may have misread this but to me this is saying that a GB pet passport that was issued prior to Jan 2021 if it shows the owners address to be of either E.U. country or N.I. it is still valid. not the other way round? The whole reply I received in the first instance seemed to refer to GB issued passports but this hadn't been my question to them hence I queried again.If this address is in GB, it is no longer valid. If it is in the EU or Northern Ireland (NI), the passport remains valid. (
Interesting. The first reply quoted is pretty much the same as one posted on the Animal Health Certificate Facebook group, by an Ian Credland on 16 February. This link to it may or may not work ….I too have come across this problem of needing a E.U. address plus French transponder registration details from a couple of French vets. We are off to France in April for a break with the kids and wanted to get the rabies booster administered and documented onto an existing pre brexit French issued E.U. pet passport. One vet said she could do it but border control may not let the dog into the E.U. and other said she couldn't do it all without the above criteria, so I started doing a bit more digging (again).
What first caught my eye was on this website https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/carry/animal-plant/index_en.htm there is a warning triangle giving this information : From 1 January 2021, EU pet passports issued to a pet owner resident in Great Britain are no longer valid for travel with pets from Great Britain to an EU country or Northern Ireland. This was the first time I'd seen anything official relating to the country of residence of the pet owner.
I emailed them for further clarification and this was their first reply:-
Thank you for contacting the Europe Direct Contact Centre.
The guiding principle for pet movement is that the owner’s address determines the "nationality" of animals. The following applies to the UK:
1. UK(GB) cannot issue EU passports after 1.1.2021.
2. Concerning the EU passports issued by UK (GB) before 1.1.2021, the most important parameter is the address of the owner entered in the passport. If this address is in GB, it is no longer valid. If it is in the EU or Northern Ireland (NI), the passport remains valid. (This address can be changed in the passport at any moment).
3. Concerning the EU passports issued in NI, pending the edition of new models, they can be used with a sticker on the EU logo (provided that the address of owner is not in GB, as this will make the passport not valid).
We recommend you contact your vet or local authority. More information on pet travel to and in the EU can be found here:
This didn't answer my question about an existing pre Brexit French issued passport (clutching at straws as it becoming evident what they are getting at here regarding UK resident). So I asked again and yesterday received this reply:-
Thank you for contacting the Europe Direct Contact Centre.
From the details provided, we understand that you wish to travel from a non-EU country to an EU country with your dog.
Please note that the below lists the requirements for your dog to travel with you from a non-EU country to an EU country if it has:
- been micro-chipped (in line with the technical requirements of Annex II of the EU Regulation on the movement of pets) or has a clearly readable tattoo if applied before 3 July 2011
- been vaccinated against rabies (approved rabies serology laboratories in non-EU countries: https://ec.europa.eu/food/animals/m...ies-serology-laboratories/non-eu-countries_en)
- had treatment against the tapeworm Echinococcus multilocularis, where your destination area is free from this tapeworm (Finland, Ireland, Malta, Norway and Northern Ireland)
- a valid European pet passport, when travelling from an EU country or Northern Ireland to another EU country or Northern Ireland or an EU animal health certificate, when travelling from a non-EU country.
We also wish to inform you that dogs, cats and ferrets moved for non-commercial purposes into an EU country from a territory or a third country other than Andorra, Switzerland, Faroe Islands, Gibraltar, Greenland, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, and Vatican City State can enter through travellers' points designated by the EU countries where they are subjected to documentary and identity checks by the competent authorities. For any further information on those checks, we invite you to contact the responsible traveler's point of entry directly:
So to me this is confirming that a UK address of the owner determine the nationality of the dog and an E.U. passport is only valid if travelling from another E.U. country.
During my research I have not come across any owners being declined entry into the E.U. because they have a UK address on their E.U. pet passport so it seems if we can find a vet that is willing to administer and record the rabies booster on the passport then it's at our own risk as to whether we will get entry. I did wonder if I am getting this reply from the vets as I am emailing - it may be bad practice for them to confirm in writing that they are able to do something that is outside of the regulations they have received? Unfortunately whilst my French 'is getting there' and I would just about manage to ask the question on the phone my understanding of their reply plus any further queries about this 'grey area' I would struggle with.
We have got to get and have ordered an AHC anyway as the 'microchip read date' is after the current rabies jab so I think we'll just take all our documents with us and hopefully we may find a vet that will do it - then as I said previously there is always a chance that entry will be denied unless we get a French address put on the documents.......
Apologies for the long post but I wanted to show the full replies I received rather than summarising as then you can see I am unable to expand further on this information. Not the info we wanted though.
I read it that if you have a UK issues passport with a EU owner's address it should still be valid but a UK issued passport with a UK owner's address would not. Extrapolating from this if we'd changed the address in the UK issued PP to an EU or NI address (pre B****t) it would seem to have remained valid ... whether that would be the case now I haven't a clue!2. Concerning the EU passports issued by UK (GB) before 1.1.2021, the most important parameter is the address of the owner entered in the passport. If this address is in GB, it is no longer valid. If it is in the EU or Northern Ireland (NI), the passport remains valid. (This address can be changed in the passport at any moment).
No it doesn't, they simply do not want to 'impinge' on the rights of the EU owner by deeming their UK issued passport is invalid - originally PPs were supposedly valid for the life of the dog once issued in order to prevent extra expense to the owners by having to keep changing them as the rules changed.So to me this is confirming that a UK address of the owner determine the nationality of the dog and an E.U. passport is only valid if travelling from another E.U. country.
I've just spend ages reading the various rules/regs/articles etc and can find NO reference whatsoever to the owner of a pet having to be a resident of an EU country in order to obtain and EU passport.It would be interesting to ask them exactly where in EU legislation it states that you have to be an EU resident in order to obtain or use an EU Pet Passport.
Exactly! Which is why the slightly devilish side of me wants to ask the question of whoever wrote the replies to Peg StarI've just spend ages reading the various rules/regs/articles etc and can find NO reference whatsoever to the owner of a pet having to be a resident of an EU country in order to obtain and EU passport.