Elon Musk has his sights set on a major world RV rollout as early as next year!

[The Wino]

Mental health on the rise , greater gap than ever between poor and wealthy


And my favourite , no quiet overnight parking spots anymore , more height barriers , more paid carparks. More bad press against motorhomes etc etc etc


The Internet and mobile phones are the two things I wish had never been invented

Yes they do good and we all have them , but they have eroded so much in the meantime, the effects of which has yet to be truly realised but is now being talked about more and more.

I think like a lot you would like to have a motorhome yourself but have a lot less other people with one! The parking restrictions height barriers etc are there largely because motorhomes ( and converted vans) have become so popular.
I think the disparity between rich and poor is too great but is not as bad as the disparity in the past between those who were rich and those who could not afford to eat had no human rights and no access to the legal system.
To listen to a lot of people there was a rosy time in the past where people led a carefree existence with a lot of leisure time but I think the reality was very different. Tech generally is great.

 

[Northernraider]

I think like a lot you would like to have a motorhome yourself but have a lot less other people with one! The parking restrictions height barriers etc are there largely because motorhomes ( and converted vans) have become so popular.
I think the disparity between rich and poor is too great but is not as bad as the disparity in the past between those who were rich and those who could not afford to eat had no human rights and no access to the legal system.
To listen to a lot of people there was a rosy time in the past where people led a carefree existence with a lot of leisure time but I think the reality was very different. Tech generally is great.

It really isn't, for your generation perhaps. But for kids etc the reality is yet to be realised , but there's already lots and lots of research emerging from the health sector as to the harm it is doing.

Not to mention how much it is relyed on and used to control , spy and manipulate the general public.

No one ever thinks the good old days were perfect. But I'd go back to how things were 40 years ago with no regrets .

 

[Coolcats]

But you need people who will take risks, push boundaries, try new ideas. Some will fail, maybe most, but the successes will shape the world.
It’s the same in any field - music, literature, art …

I don’t like the man, he repulses me, but I think what he is doing with technology will shape the world.

He is a businessman of the worst catagory, the technologies exist his behaviour is just not acceptable. If as an employee you behaved as he does your job opportunities are very slim.

Politics shape technology…

 

[The Wino]

It really isn't, for your generation perhaps. But for kids etc the reality is yet to be realised , but there's already lots and lots of research emerging from the health sector as to the harm it is doing.

Not to mention how much it is relyed on and used to control , spy and manipulate the general public.

No one ever thinks the good old days were perfect. But I'd go back to how things were 40 years ago with no regrets .

I think in terms of mental health etc there can be some problems but is that because there are more people with mental health problems or people with mental health problems are more willing to ask for help and get diagnosed rather than being told to pull themselves together ( or like my dad in the 1940's advised to take up smoking!).
I think there was a lot of manipulation of the public in the past, people of different sexual orientation were unable to live their lives openly and often married as a cover, the poor were controlled by the state and until relatively recently didn't even have a vote, the forces recruited officers by class rather than intelligence or aptitude, people were unable to organise freely especially in countries that were colonies of other powers. It wasn't a happy life for everyone and a lot shorter harder one for most. I bet 40 years ago the old people said they wished it was 40 years before that when there weren't vehicles on the road!

 

[DandJ]

You don't have diesel pumps on site. I am at a loss why anyone would expect to be able to fully charge their ev on site.

Some sites may offer it as a marketing point. But it is not necessary.

It would make sense to have both options at sites. Some people would turn up at 4pm, for 16hrs, leaving at 8am for th rest of their journey, others would turn up and stay for several days. If you look at energy as a whole.....if I have a 200 mile journey to a site (to stop overnight) whether I stopped at 180 miles, hung about for an hour while I fast charged and put 100kw into the batteries or stopped on site at 200 miles and was able to do the same...at say 7kwh over 15 hours (overnight)...staying for 2 or more nights, I can trickle charge at 2.4kwh....
To have a system that shares the load would need an over-ride facility.....I'd be mightily annoyed at being strangled to 2kwh when I have to continue my journ ey the next day and most others are staying put. (hope this all makes some sort of sense)

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[Northernraider]

I think in terms of mental health etc there can be some problems but is that because there are more people with mental health problems or people with mental health problems are more willing to ask for help and get diagnosed rather than being told to pull themselves together ( or like my dad in the 1940's advised to take up smoking!).
I think there was a lot of manipulation of the public in the past, people of different sexual orientation were unable to live their lives openly and often married as a cover, the poor were controlled by the state and until relatively recently didn't even have a vote, the forces recruited officers by class rather than intelligence or aptitude, people were unable to organise freely especially in countries that were colonies of other powers. It wasn't a happy life for everyone and a lot shorter harder one for most. I bet 40 years ago the old people said they wished it was 40 years before that when there weren't vehicles on the road!

I didn't say all technology was bad of course and ultimately a lot was created for good . But its like everything else . It gets taken to far .

The world really is in a shitty state . And electric vehicles isn't going to fix it.

It's also not going to stop or reverse the damage that's been done already.

I'm just glad I won't be around to see it. I'll drive diesel till I die hopefully no bugger will invent a way for us to live forever before I croak .

 

[The Wino]

It would make sense to have both options at sites. Some people would turn up at 4pm, for 16hrs, leaving at 8am for th rest of their journey, others would turn up and stay for several days. If you look at energy as a whole.....if I have a 200 mile journey to a site (to stop overnight) whether I stopped at 180 miles, hung about for an hour while I fast charged and put 100kw into the batteries or stopped on site at 200 miles and was able to do the same...at say 7kwh over 15 hours (overnight)...staying for 2 or more nights, I can trickle charge at 2.4kwh....
To have a system that shares the load would need an over-ride facility.....I'd be mightily annoyed at being strangled to 2kwh when I have to continue my journ ey the next day and most others are staying put. (hope this all makes some sort of sense)

I think it does make sense to think if there is spare electrical supply it ought ideally to be available at a cost that covers any infrastructure that is required. However that is very different to people thinking that every pitch will need to have a high speed charger if EVs become the default! Apart from anything else if EVs are the default for campers they will already have become the default for cars a few years ahead. The charger network will be totally different to today as will road use and diesel vehicles most likely for most unusable

 

[DandJ]

I think it does make sense to think if there is spare electrical supply it ought ideally to be available at a cost that covers any infrastructure that is required. However that is very different to people thinking that every pitch will need to have a high speed charger if EVs become the default! Apart from anything else if EVs are the default for campers they will already have become the default for cars a few years ahead. The charger network will be totally different to today as will road use and diesel vehicles most likely for most unusable

Yes.....unless something massive takes place with the UK infrastructure/power generation....if everyone is in EVs and EV MHs, they'll only be able to go travelling when it's very windy.......

 

[Northernraider]

I think it does make sense to think if there is spare electrical supply it ought ideally to be available at a cost that covers any infrastructure that is required. However that is very different to people thinking that every pitch will need to have a high speed charger if EVs become the default! Apart from anything else if EVs are the default for campers they will already have become the default for cars a few years ahead. The charger network will be totally different to today as will road use and diesel vehicles most likely for most unusable

That's OK because they never will become the default. Not in my lifetime and certainly not in yours . 2035 will come and go and there will still be more ice on the roads than ev

Place your bets here

 

[PaulyP]

I didn't say all technology was bad of course and ultimately a lot was created for good . But its like everything else . It gets taken to far .

The world really is in a shitty state . And electric vehicles isn't going to fix it.

It's also not going to stop or reverse the damage that's been done already.

I'm just glad I won't be around to see it. I'll drive diesel till I die hopefully no bugger will invent a way for us to live forever before I croak .

EV’s a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist !
But a great money maker.

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[Northernraider]

EV’s a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist !
But a great money maker.

Yes that's how the world works now. Create a problem, gather support for that problem then create/invent/dream up the solution and charge a fortune for it.

If no one buys it force them

 

[houdini]

In the top right hand of the photo, part of the stage structure seems to be attached to the van ! I'm going with fake news, or a witch hunt?
Mike.

AI also has problems with hands, they look odd here.

 

[Brains]

That's OK because they never will become the default. Not in my lifetime and certainly not in yours . 2035 will come and go and there will still be more ice on the roads than ev

Place your bets here

'On the roads' in 2035, I agree with you.

But sales of EV's are expected to overtake ICE before then.
EV's are only expected to overtake ICE 'on the roads' in the early 2040's on current predictions.
And even if that goes back by half a decade, anyone born in 1960's (who are the early retirees today) will still be around when fossil fuel vehicles are seen as 'old'

Most of us on here will still be around when the last diesel conventional car rolls off the production line in the UK.

 

[Northernraider]

'On the roads' in 2035, I agree with you.

But sales of EV's are expected to overtake ICE before then.
EV's are only expected to overtake ICE 'on the roads' in the early 2040's on current predictions.
And even if that goes back by half a decade, anyone born in 1960's (who are the early retirees today) will still be around when fossil fuel vehicles are seen as 'old'

Most of us on here will still be around when the last diesel conventional car rolls off the production line in the UK.

At the minute they are still trying to force people to buy evs the uptake has been far far slower than they hoped.

The way things are going there wil be a war or a revolution long before 2035 ... the majority of people don't want them.

 

[Coolcats]

At the minute they are still trying to force people to buy evs the uptake has been far far slower than they hoped.

The way things are going there wil be a war or a revolution long before 2035 ... the majority of people don't want them.

As the great poet Jagger wrote you can’t always get you want but if you try sometimes you get what you need….

the world of alternative powered vehicles (including EV’s ) is steam rolling down the road ( did you see what I did there re-Steam which s now obsolete in most cases )

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[Northernraider]

As the great poet Jagger wrote you can’t always get you want but if you try sometimes you get what you need….

the world of alternative powered vehicles (including EV’s ) is steam rolling down the road ( did you see what I did there re-Steam which s now obsolete in most cases )

As I said though it's mostly by force ....and not in every country.

So will it make the least bit difference?

No ...sadly it will not. But it appeases another minority group and that seems the way of the world nowadays.

 

[Ejaydee]

EV’s a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist !

Try telling that to all the children who have had their lungs poisoned by the crap that gets spewed out of millions of exhaust pipes every day on our roads. An inconvenient truth that is conveniently ignored or forgotten by the anti EV lobby in their dash to burn even more oil.

Before you ask, yes we have an oil burner for our MH, but both our cars are EV's, simply because we do many more miles in them and at the moment as has been pointed out above, EV motorhomes are few and far between and not very practical. One day they will be.

I do not know you, so do not know if you have grandchildren or not. I do have grandchildren, so want to do what ever I can to reduce my oil burning, while still having a reasonable lifestyle.

I don’t know but at a guess from a quarter charge to full is at least an hour, 5 mins for my diesel in the same situation.

You are well out on that estimate, in my case around 15 to 20 mins, just long enough to get a coffee and have a pee, before setting off again. I never stop because I have to charge, I charge because I have had to stop (for a pee after 200 odd miles).

 

[Guigsy]

Why? Some people only stay overnight you will I suggest need upgrades at sites someone here would be able to do the electric charging math for 200 vehicles

Octopus already do this on a national scale to adjust demand based on price and demand. You tell the app what level of charge you need by the morning. The chargers talk to the vehicles and coordinate charging to balance the overall load and to minimise users costs.

Doing something similar just across a campsite would be easy. You'd still get fully charged. But if you arrived nearly full, or didn't need to be full by 7am, it could reduce or delay your charging. And it would massively reduce the peak demand as everyone wouldn't be on full chooch at dinner time.

 

[PaulyP]

Try telling that to all the children who have had their lungs poisoned by the crap that gets spewed out of millions of exhaust pipes every day on our roads. An inconvenient truth that is conveniently ignored or forgotten by the anti EV lobby in their dash to burn even more oil.

Before you ask, yes we have an oil burner for our MH, but both our cars are EV's, simply because we do many more miles in them and at the moment as has been pointed out above, EV motorhomes are few and far between and not very practical. One day they will be.

I do not know you, so do not know if you have grandchildren or not. I do have grandchildren, so want to do what ever I can to reduce my oil burning, while still having a reasonable lifestyle.




You are well out on that estimate, in my case around 15 to 20 mins, just long enough to get a coffee and have a pee, before setting off again. I never stop because I have to charge, I charge because I have had to stop (for a pee after 200 odd miles).

I do have five grandchildren and I don’t believe most of the crap that is spouted out as pollution causing climate change, the climate has always changed and things are much better and cleaner now than when I was a kid 60 years ago, it’s all about making money and controlling the population.

 

[Ejaydee]

I do have five grandchildren and I don’t believe most of the crap that is spouted out as pollution causing climate change, the climate has always changed and things are much better and cleaner now than when I was a kid 60 years ago, it’s all about making money and controlling the population.

This response will be a bit off topic, for which I apologise.

From what you have said, we obviously differ quite a lot.

As it happens, I too do not take much notice of "the crap spouted out as pollution causing climate change" as you put it.

I take a more common sense position, that the known problem of crap being spouted out of millions of exhaust pipes every day of the year, is having a proven and direct adverse affect on children's lungs. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-responds-to-coroner-after-ella-kissi-debrah-inquest

From my perspective your comment about "making money and controlling the population" is absolutely correct, but I see it from the perspective of the oil corporations and big money interests doing all the string pulling, which many people are dancing their tune to!

We must be of a similar age as you say things have got better to what it was 60 years ago when you were a kid. So, just think back 60 to 65 years ago and tell me how many cars there were parked in your street, because I suggest it would have been very, very few compared with today. On mine all those years ago, there was just one car (the owner of which we thought must be very rich) when I was 8 to10, plus a Bond 3 wheeler. In the 1950's most people went to work either by walking if work was close by, or on a bus, or they rode a bike, a moped or small motorbike. By the mid 1960's we baby-boomers all wanted a car and/or motorbike, me included and we tended to have the money to get one after a bit of saving of our wages.

Looking outside now in my street in the evenings and early mornings before folk head off to work, it is full of cars with no vacant parking spots. Most of the households around here have more than one car, including my own, some with up to four cars and/or vans. Cars are now used for the shortest of journeys, my neighbours are a case in point, he and his wife will take one of their large SUV's down to the village shop which is less than 250 yds away for the odd thing they have forgotten, or run out of. The engine will be cold, so not at the least efficient, and they will be driving along village streets on which young children will be walking, or sat in pushchairs. Their mouths are almost level with the exhausts going by.

You say that the climate is better and cleaner now and will likely say that is partly the case because the dirty burning coal fires that most households used to have are now a thing of the past. You will be correct in that assumption, but what you do not appear to consider, is that the number of vehicles on the roads have exploded in the meantime. Another factor that most do not consider is that the replacement for the dirty burning coal fires, the so called "clean" gas boilers, which although much cleaner than coal, still pump a large amount fumes out into the atmosphere, so although the overall pollution loading into the atmosphere by home heating may have been reduced, it has not been reduced as much as lots of people assume.

Returning back to the topic of this thread, I would welcome RV's, MH's etc being made as EV's, but it will take time and may not happen to any degree in our lifetime, but IMV our grandchildren will likely look back and wonder what all the fuss and arguments were about in the present day.

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[Coolcats]

I do have five grandchildren and I don’t believe most of the crap that is spouted out as pollution causing climate change, the climate has always changed and things are much better and cleaner now than when I was a kid 60 years ago, it’s all about making money and controlling the population.

Oh er you are correct the climate has changed over millennia no one argues any different, what is also not disputable is the Human effect on climate change, be that over population. You may not have noticed but you your wife, your children and the grandkids thats 11 individuals compared to say when you were in your twenties with just the 2 of you, you and your wife and your wife, so the impact of just one couple means there are 9 more mouths to feed and all of the travel and consumption that goes with it ( this is an observation not a criticism).

Human made climate change is real and it is here, if we want our and our families to not suffer from the Human created climate change then steps need to be taken such as not burning fossil fuels. Eating less meat...im not saying as a veggie don't eat meat but if the world cut its consumption by 50% that would help cut emissions.

EV's are part not the whole solution as are things such as solar and wind energy generation, becoming more veggie and less meat consumption.

The irony here is that nearby there is a new EV charging station right next to a McDonald's so those feeling smug about having an EV park up plug in and wander off for a Burger Doh! it would probably have been better and healthier if it was a Sushi bar!

We all have choices, I don't think we are being controlled but we do need to be aware and awake to make choices. Buy an EV don't buy an EV, Eat meat or don't eat meat, have a family don't have a family thats a choice we all have and no one controls this.

 

[Coolcats]

As I said though it's mostly by force ....and not in every country.

So will it make the least bit difference?

No ...sadly it will not. But it appeases another minority group and that seems the way of the world nowadays.

Were people forced to swap from Horses to Cars? (in fact most of the population did not have personal transport in the days of Horses) Alternative fuel vehicles will make a difference it cant not, but thats only part of the problem. All of this is a complex systems issue and just focussing on one aspect won't fix the bigger issue. Maybe we need to move the experience to the home (via broadband and VR) to help stop mass travel who knows?

 

[Northernraider]

Were people forced to swap from Horses to Cars? (in fact most of the population did not have personal transport in the days of Horses) Alternative fuel vehicles will make a difference it cant not, but thats only part of the problem. All of this is a complex systems issue and just focussing on one aspect won't fix the bigger issue. Maybe we need to move the experience to the home (via broadband and VR) to help stop mass travel who knows?

Yes many were as the roads became harder to use for the horse and cart owners.

They won't make a difference because China, India, Africa will not use them ..and their pollution will continue to increase counterbalancing any small efforts we attempt.
All the European countries will continue to introduce these daft measures but it won't tackle the real problem.

And I think the more they push it the more likely a break up of eu is likely . People are tired of it.

This country produces a tiny percentage of the world's pollution and none of these measures are really about combating it ....they're about making money . That's it

 

[Coolcats]

Yes many were as the roads became harder to use for the horse and cart owners.

That was not a reason for Motorised vehicles and have no evidence for thinking roads were harder to use.

They won't make a difference because China, India, Africa will not use them ..and their pollution will continue to increase counterbalancing any small efforts we attempt.
All the European countries will continue to introduce these daft measures but it won't tackle the real problem.

That's weird as China emissions are now about the same as 2023 and will decline as more solar and wind is implemented, this is along with the fact that China makes most of the Solar for the world. so thier contribution for moving to a green world is making a much bigger impact.

And I think the more they push it the more likely a break up of eu is likely . People are tired of it.

Oh er you tink so ? and are you saying people are tired of the EU due to green policies that will make our lives more sustainable

This country produces a tiny percentage of the world's pollution and none of these measures are really about combating it ....they're about making money . That's it

This country outsourced its pollution by outsourcing manufacturing and insourced products, we do not make cars anymore MG Jaguar, Rover, Lotus and even Tiny Caterham are owned by overseas organisations. EV's are coming and we cannot stop it.

 

[Brains]

Yes many were as the roads became harder to use for the horse and cart owners.

They won't make a difference because China, India, Africa will not use them ..and their pollution will continue to increase counterbalancing any small efforts we attempt.
All the European countries will continue to introduce these daft measures but it won't tackle the real problem.

And I think the more they push it the more likely a break up of eu is likely . People are tired of it.

This country produces a tiny percentage of the world's pollution and none of these measures are really about combating it ....they're about making money . That's it

You need to remove China from the list. They will be the first big country to go fully EV for conventional cars.
China, whilst being a big polluter today is well aware of this, and are reducing their pollution levels by several percent every year. They will 'undertake' the USA within 5 years, and could undertake Europe within 10 years.

On the issue of cars, Africa does not build cars.
They buy all their cars from Europe, the US and China.
If all the cars made in Europe, US and China are EV's
then that is what the African will drive.

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[Brains]

I do have five grandchildren and I don’t believe most of the crap that is spouted out as pollution causing climate change, the climate has always changed and things are much better and cleaner now than when I was a kid 60 years ago, it’s all about making money and controlling the population.

To be honest, I'd put those sort of comments in the Flat Earth and world dominating pizza eating lizards section.

 

[The Wino]

To be honest, I'd put those sort of comments in the Flat Earth and world dominating pizza eating lizards section.

You need to put the vaccine conspiracy things with it too

 

[Ejaydee]

Yes that's how the world works now. Create a problem, gather support for that problem then create/invent/dream up the solution and charge a fortune for it.

Errrmmmm, isn't that exactly what the oil producers have done for decades? How many times in your lifetime have the producers cut or limited production so that the price rises artificially?

Who in your view created "the problem" you mention and where did they "gather support" from, when in the next breath you state that "the majority of people do not want them". You cannot have it both ways, either there is support, or there is not.

If you are referring to the costs of buying an EV, competition has already started to bring the costs of new EV's down, it is the usual market forces at work, in the same way as the prices of mobile phones and computers steadied after the first few years.

The cost of actually owning EV's is falling fast also, as more and more people are charging at home from solar panels they have installed on their roof and other running costs (servicing etc) are far less. My first year's service was £65. In my experience, all the scare stories last year about the cost of insurance for EV's has not materialised, it was just that, a scare story. My insurance rose £22 this year from last year on a 2023 MG4, hardly the 40 to 50% rises that were being bandied about at the beginning of the year.

If no one buys it force them

How are we being forced? The supply of ICE engined cars is being stopped in 2035, but they will remain on the road for decades later. Your latest MH project is a good example of how long that will go on for.

At the minute they are still trying to force people to buy evs the uptake has been far far slower than they hoped.

Who says it is "far, far slower than they hoped", and who is "they"? Where is that information, because I have not seen it?

the majority of people don't want them.

Really, says who, the Daily Mail, or the Telegraph perhaps?

There is a very verbal minority that does not want EV's, either because it is not in their financial interest to see more of them on the road, or because they are constantly being wound-up by the drip, drip, drip of FUD from oil companies, certain newspapers and other big monied organisations whose only interest is in keeping the oil flowing and people burning it.

Of the few bona fide surveys I have seen, lots of people understandably have some genuinely held concerns about EV's because they have have also read the load of tripe that some news outlets constantly bang on about (clickbait), all of which have been completely refuted.

I completely accept and have said for ages, there are some people for whom an EV is not suitable at the moment, but then, there are also some people for which an ICE is not suitable either, but we rarely hear about them, do we?

For example, we constantly keep hearing about the imaginary poor soul that lives at the top of a multi-story complex and the imagined difficulty that person will have to charge their EV, but what is not recognised by those spouting that sort of nonsense is that most people who live in high rise complexes do not have, and do not want to own a car at all, simply because the public transport systems where high rises proliferate, tend to be excellent services.

 

[Northernraider]

Errrmmmm, isn't that exactly what the oil producers have done for decades? How many times in your lifetime have the producers cut or limited production so that the price rises artificially?

Who in your view created "the problem" you mention and where did they "gather support" from, when in the next breath you state that "the majority of people do not want them". You cannot have it both ways, either there is support, or there is not.

If you are referring to the costs of buying an EV, competition has already started to bring the costs of new EV's down, it is the usual market forces at work, in the same way as the prices of mobile phones and computers steadied after the first few years.

The cost of actually owning EV's is falling fast also, as more and more people are charging at home from solar panels they have installed on their roof and other running costs (servicing etc) are far less. My first year's service was £65. In my experience, all the scare stories last year about the cost of insurance for EV's has not materialised, it was just that, a scare story. My insurance rose £22 this year from last year on a 2023 MG4, hardly the 40 to 50% rises that were being bandied about at the beginning of the year.


How are we being forced? The supply of ICE engined cars is being stopped in 2035, but they will remain on the road for decades later. Your latest MH project is a good example of how long that will go on for.


Who says it is "far, far slower than they hoped", and who is "they"? Where is that information, because I have not seen it?


Really, says who, the Daily Mail, or the Telegraph perhaps?

There is a very verbal minority that does not want EV's, either because it is not in their financial interest to see more of them on the road, or because they are constantly being wound-up by the drip, drip, drip of FUD from oil companies, certain newspapers and other big monied organisations whose only interest is in keeping the oil flowing and people burning it.

Of the few bona fide surveys I have seen, lots of people understandably have some genuinely held concerns about EV's because they have have also read the load of tripe that some news outlets constantly bang on about (clickbait), all of which have been completely refuted.

I completely accept and have said for ages, there are some people for whom an EV is not suitable at the moment, but then, there are also some people for which an ICE is not suitable either, but we rarely hear about them, do we?

For example, we constantly keep hearing about the imaginary poor soul that lives at the top of a multi-story complex and the imagined difficulty that person will have to charge their EV, but what is not recognised by those spouting that sort of nonsense is that most people who live in high rise complexes do not have, and do not want to own a car at all, simply because the public transport systems where high rises proliferate, tend to be excellent services.

I ain't reading all that never mind replying to it all.

If you haven't seen the news reports stating that the expected uptake of evs is nowhere near what was projected then you're obviously blinded by the fact you own one.

It's like vegans really .. lost in there own bubble.


Go Google . But take off your eco warrior blindfold first. The facts and information is out there.

P.s its one of the reasons the target was moved from 2030 to 35

Germany and Italy also looking to move that target further back


And it will be moved back you can be certain of it

 

[Brains]

I ain't reading all that never mind replying to it all.

If you haven't seen the news reports stating that the expected uptake of evs is nowhere near what was projected then you're obviously blinded by the fact you own one.

It's like vegans really .. lost in there own bubble.


Go Google . But take off your eco warrior blindfold first. The facts and information is out there.

P.s its one of the reasons the target was moved from 2030 to 35

Germany and Italy also looking to move that target further back


And it will be moved back you can be certain of it

Even if it was moved back another 5 years, It's still going to happen, and happen soon.
Almost no European kid at school today will ever own a new conventional fossil fuel driven car.

Same could have been said of kids in the 1950's who wanted to be train drivers when they grew up.
They were still building new steam trains in 1960.
By the time they left school, all the steam trains had gone.
Last one was removed in 1968, So some of those steam trains only had a 7 year life, despite being built to last 50-80 years

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