Electric TOAD on an A Frame

What sort of trailer cannot be reversed? I’ve not heard of one. Is it a special type of trailer?
All trailers can be reversed, I did state ancient trailer with over ride, you have to get out of the towing vehicle and flip over the reverse lever on the trailer and then you can reverse, once you have reversed you then have to go back to the trailer and lift off the reverse lever.
 
I get that the towing vehicle would use more fuel. You would however have a fully charged EV when you stopped. Which would get used for a day or two. Then when you move on the EV gets charged again.
Just an idea. I think some can be charged albeit slowly from a household socket. If the towing vehicle has an inverter would this work?
I am a little puzzled as to how you would charge your towed ev car when you are towing it with your EV MOTORHOME, ,, just saying or am I missing something.
 
Morning all,

It appears that current A Frame systems are not capable of having an EV as a tow car.

What do people think. If a system was available, would an EV be an option?

It certainly would for us.

Should I spend time looking at a solution or is it just me????

Thanks
BigDean.
Hi its not the A frame which is not capable of towing the car.. Its the car not capable of being towed. I am sure I have seen something on towing a Tesla to charge it. Its on this post by Gromett.

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We have been using an A frame for many years, we have just got a new car fitted with an up to the minute braking system. Its brilliant. I cannot see why the eu lot do not like them, but there you go its the eu. So much better towing a vehicle where all 4 wheels brake, can be reversed, has a lower centre of gravity to a car on a trailer. It seems madness to take a car of its 4 wheels and put it on a two wheel trailer with an ancient over ride braking system that cannot be reversed and say its better ??.
I know that's going a bit off subject but, just saying. 🚐🚗:giggle:
You say an a framed car can be reversed, not very far possibly a few feet as the steering geometry is designed to go forward, if you try to reverse you get the shopping trolly effect or have I missed somthing ?
 
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You say an a framed car can be reversed, not very far possibly a few feet as the steering geometry is designed to go forward, if you try to reverse you get the shopping trolly effect or have I missed somthing ?
I have reversed ours but not very far. but it only takes a minute to uncouple so it can easily be driven to the parking on the pitch.
 
I have reversed ours but not very far. but it only takes a minute to uncouple so it can easily be driven to the parking on the pitch.
Maybe we should have a reversing competition at Jaws meet that would be funny, who can manage mor than three feet 👍
We have an electric frame and three feet is about the limit.
I think the over run frame made in Chesterfield has a lock energised by the reverse light signal simple really.
 
I am a little puzzled as to how you would charge your towed ev car when you are towing it with your EV MOTORHOME, ,, just saying or am I missing something.
Yes , I was asking if an EV towed behind my current diesel motorhome using an A frame would charge the EV either through just the wheels turning or through the moho batteries using an inverter. As per the OPs question.
Nobody mentioned an electric motorhome.

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We have been using an A frame for many years, we have just got a new car fitted with an up to the minute braking system. Its brilliant. I cannot see why the eu lot do not like them, but there you go its the eu. So much better towing a vehicle where all 4 wheels brake, can be reversed, has a lower centre of gravity to a car on a trailer. It seems madness to take a car of its 4 wheels and put it on a two wheel trailer with an ancient over ride braking system that cannot be reversed and say its better ??.
I know that's going a bit off subject but, just saying. 🚐🚗:giggle:
A car on an A-frame should be stable but most are impossible to reverse because of the castor effect. A trailer on the other hand is eminently reversible!
 
All trailers can be reversed, I did state ancient trailer with over ride, you have to get out of the towing vehicle and flip over the reverse lever on the trailer and then you can reverse, once you have reversed you then have to go back to the trailer and lift off the reverse lever.
A trailer with that system is around 40 years old at least...... Chances are it’s long been in the knackers yard!
 
All trailers can be reversed, I did state ancient trailer with over ride, you have to get out of the towing vehicle and flip over the reverse lever on the trailer and then you can reverse, once you have reversed you then have to go back to the trailer and lift off the reverse lever.

I have reversed ours but not very far. but it only takes a minute to uncouple so it can easily be driven to the parking on the pitch.
So not much different then, you have to get out of the van to do it, except that with an old trailer you only have to flick over the lever whereas with an A frame you have to unhitch the lot. Which if you are trying to do a U turn with traffic backing up could be quite embarrassing, especially as you then have to drive the car back to the van to reconnect it when you've got the van pointing in the right direction.
 
A trailer with that system is around 40 years old at least...... Chances are it’s long been in the knackers yard!
I remember them, wasn’t the reverse lever to prevent the over run brakes coming on when going backwards?
 
I remember them, wasn’t the reverse lever to prevent the over run brakes coming on when going backwards?
Exactly that! It was knocked on the head in 1989 when the Constructions & Use regs adopted 71/320EC

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I don’t think flat towing an EV is an option just now. I read some technical stuff from Tesla somewhere that it wasn’t possible. Most hybrid’s can‘t be flat towed either, though there are some exceptions. Ford have a few options put not necessarily all in the U.K. market.

E.V’s could be the death knell for A-frames....
Why a death knell for A Frames, proper cars and A Frames will be around for many years yet, at least until we get to electric MoHo's when you may be able to do 100 miles without a trailer and 50ish with a trailer. Will give up then and get a ticket on a big fuel guzzling plane to Spain. Where I can hire a car with a proper engine. Hopefully if the EV thing is pushed on vans the hybrid option will be available, so we can still do a sensible mileage in a day.
 
I’m a little confused by the eu “banning” the towing of a ev car or any other (Petrol or Deisel) on an A-frame, it always has been banned, and as you say it is a bit of a white elephant as I have never taken my Aframed car abroad for that very reason, just not worth the fines and hassle.
Some countries that did allow it and/or turned a blind eye to a-frames, are now fining people who do so. I don't really understand why you are querying this though as it happens regardless of when it was brought in, the concern is that others may follow suit.
 
I have managed to reverse our Toad in a filling station when pulling into a line of pumps and they had “ out of order tags “ on them.
I had to jump out quick and pull the brake cable pin out, and manoeuvre very slowly with the slightest amount of opposite steering movements possible watching the reversing camera carefully.
I had actually practiced this at home a couple of times though, the steering inputs have to so slight and do’nt even think about it if there is an audience as it will go to “ boll—-s “.
After that little episode I made up a catch that could be flipped over, like the old trailers used to have years ago, inhibiting the ram movement on the tow hitch, but never used it, lesson learnt !

Another experience with the Toad. We stopped in the parking area at Michael Wood M5 services, lorry park full so I parked in the car parking area, too long so I unhitched and parked the Toad ( Seat Arosa ) alongside. Easy as we have a jockey wheel on the A frame which makes things easier to move about without opening the bonnet to lift the A frame up.
Ready to go I hitched up and off we went, umm, campers not pulling too well ? I switched on the reversing camera, oh sugar ! The Toad is at a funny angle, still in the slip road I stopped quickly. I had the ignition key in my pocket !
I put the key in and turned it to unlock and had one hell of a job to unlock the steering. Only slight damage, off side tyre wall scuffed on outer tread. A bit of trepidation when we next drove it but it was ok, it still drove straight. When we got home it went into the workshops to check the steering geometry, all ok luckily. Never done that again.
 
I have managed to reverse our Toad in a filling station when pulling into a line of pumps and they had “ out of order tags “ on them.
I had to jump out quick and pull the brake cable pin out, and manoeuvre very slowly with the slightest amount of opposite steering movements possible watching the reversing camera carefully.
I had actually practiced this at home a couple of times though, the steering inputs have to so slight and do’nt even think about it if there is an audience as it will go to “ boll—-s “.
After that little episode I made up a catch that could be flipped over, like the old trailers used to have years ago, inhibiting the ram movement on the tow hitch, but never used it, lesson learnt !

Another experience with the Toad. We stopped in the parking area at Michael Wood M5 services, lorry park full so I parked in the car parking area, too long so I unhitched and parked the Toad ( Seat Arosa ) alongside. Easy as we have a jockey wheel on the A frame which makes things easier to move about without opening the bonnet to lift the A frame up.
Ready to go I hitched up and off we went, umm, campers not pulling too well ? I switched on the reversing camera, oh sugar ! The Toad is at a funny angle, still in the slip road I stopped quickly. I had the ignition key in my pocket !
I put the key in and turned it to unlock and had one hell of a job to unlock the steering. Only slight damage, off side tyre wall scuffed on outer tread. A bit of trepidation when we next drove it but it was ok, it still drove straight. When we got home it went into the workshops to check the steering geometry, all ok luckily. Never done that again.
Hi Dipsie, if you change toad have a look at the TowAframe kit no reverse pins etc just go backwards it is a fabulous electric braking system and a very light frame that you do not have to line up the tow hitch with the ball it does that as you pull away. It is very light in fact less than half the weight of the one we had before on a Honda Jazz, which had the jockey wheel, handbrake and was an overrun brake unit etc.
 
From a motor vehicle engineer and F1 designer NO you cannot tow a EV only for a few yards. Even if you did the drag from the motors, remember it doesn't have a gearbox to place in neutral, would decrease your MPG of the MH. No do not attempt it, you could have a very large bill on your hands.

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Hi,

Most EVs are not suitable for to be towed. I believe some renaults can be, many EV do not have a neutral and are mechanically connected all the time. This means that they are not suitable for an A frame and must be moved on a trailer.

This has become a safety concern

 
I checked it out with VW, Seat and Skoda! It was NOT an option!
 

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