Electric TOAD on an A Frame

[wiljoy]

This is very true, but the pure amount of investment that car makers are pumping into electric would make me bet its going to happen.

I totally agree, it will. I hope I'm not here to witness the problems.

 

[jongood]

You could have two alternators as boats do, but nothing is free ie if you start drawing heavy charging current from your van that will use more fossil fuel and defeat the object, as every time you alter from one fuel to another you lose a percentage through efficiency so no real point.

My MH has 2 alternators, 1 x 24v for the oily stuff and 1 x 12v for the house batteries

 

[Brains]

Apart from the weight how would you charge it?

It would charge as you towed it along!

 

[Steve and Denise]

My MH has 2 alternators, 1 x 24v for the oily stuff and 1 x 12v for the house batteries

Ah your mh is on a 24volt chassis ie lorry base

 

[fullfat]

Why not reverse the situation and tow a caravan with an EV ?

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[eddie]

It's also illegal to have the engine running with no driver

I have a built in 6kw generator designed to run whilst driving, so I could charge it

But as I say it's illegal

 

[Gromett]

I doubt that charging voltage is that high.

It is in cars that are rated at that voltage. The voltage has to be higher than the battery voltage for there to be current flow into the battery.

 

[Gromett]

I doubt that charging voltage is that high.

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[chrisgreen]

I'm not a mechanic and just saying it as I am informed working in dealers and vehicle services. We were told many years ago the new fuel was gas. Vauxhall invested millions of pounds setting-up a production line to make these vehicles of the future. Shortly afterwards gas was no longer the preferred saviour so diesel came in as a favourite. Now it's electric.
The pollution created in both battery manufacturer and disposal is mind blowing.
Who knows tomorrow they could choose something else. I intend to stay neutral and let everyone buy electric and have the cost.

Yes, leave EVs to us.

 

[Minxy]

I totally agree, it will. I hope I'm not here to witness the problems.

I'm sure we could arrange for you to 'disappear' now if you really wanted, no need to wait!

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[glenn2926]

It's also illegal to have the engine running with no driver

I have a built in 6kw generator designed to run whilst driving, so I could charge it

But as I say it's illegal

EV doesn’t have an engine so can’t be illegal. It only has an electric motor which won’t really be running. So dragging it behind the moho must put a little into it

 

[tonyidle]

Yes, it can and has been done in stupid internet stunts/experiments. Here is just one example.


BUT!!!!

You are relying on regenerative braking to do it. So you are effectively towing a car with the brakes on. This is the results;
1) Your fuel efficiency will tank massively. Costing you far more.
2) You will put stresses on both vehicles that they are not designed to handle.
3) You would need someone in the EV whilst this is happening.

I wasn't suggesting for one minute it was a solution!!

 

[tonyidle]

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Most if not all can be charged from domestic mains (slowly) so although I wasn't suggesting a 12v input would do it both EHU or an inverter whilst travelling are possibilities.

 

[Gromett]

Most if not all can be charged from domestic mains (slowly) so although I wasn't suggesting a 12v input would do it both EHU or an inverter whilst travelling are possibilities.

An inverter? Are you suggesting a 12v to 240v inverter?

 

[tonyidle]

An inverter? Are you suggesting a 12v to 240v inverter?

Tsk. Whoever heard of such a thing . Yes I was for use whilst travelling. You must understand that none of my suggestions about an electric toad were fully thought through - I simply tossed them out there for others to put flesh on the bones. Or to laugh at them. Another random thought - some early discoveries about the nervous system were made using a frogs leg. And here we are discussing electric toads.

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[bobnick]

The more i read about EVs the more i get confused the more i am convinced to stay with my V8 and V12 and likkle diesel van.

 

[eddie]

This is our TOAD pushing our camper as fast as it can

 

[wiljoy]

I'm sure we could arrange for you to 'disappear' now if you really wanted, no need to wait!

Ladies first

 

[chrisgreen]

The more i read about EVs the more i get confused the more i am convinced to stay with my V8 and V12 and likkle diesel van.

Nobody is asking you to give up your V8 or your V12 its the little diesel that they are coming for.

 

[Minxy]

Ladies first

OoooooOOooOOooooo ... you mean I'm at the front of the queue so get to try to kill you first! Yay!!!!

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[wiljoy]

OoooooOOooOOooooo ... you mean I'm at the front of the queue so get to try to kill you first! Yay!!!!

Whatever

 

[The Dotties]

I totally agree, it will. I hope I'm not here to witness the problems.

I hope I am, even if it’s a hundred years away

 

[minesapint]

I may be wrong and am sure someone will correct me but EV is not an option as they cannot be towed or so it says in my hand book, recovery by trailer if broken down

Why bother with electric, just buy an ordinary car, then you can tow it.

 

[TonyEmm]

Morning all,

It appears that current A Frame systems are not capable of having an EV as a tow car.

What do people think. If a system was available, would an EV be an option?

It certainly would for us.

Should I spend time looking at a solution or is it just me????

Thanks
BigDean.

I don’t think flat towing an EV is an option just now. I read some technical stuff from Tesla somewhere that it wasn’t possible. Most hybrid’s can‘t be flat towed either, though there are some exceptions. Ford have a few options put not necessarily all in the U.K. market.

E.V’s could be the death knell for A-frames....

 

[minesapint]

I suppose one of the questions is, even if you could somehow tow an EV car fitted with an A-frame where realistically could you use it? With countries banning this practice in the EU (ie one vehicle towing another) it could become a bit of a white elephant that you could only use in the UK. I'm not going to go into the legalities of whether it becomes a trailer as that's not the issue abroad and at present the UK hasn't mandated against this.

When I first read this I though you were asking about an EV powered car towing another car, not the EV powered car being the toad.

We have been using an A frame for many years, we have just got a new car fitted with an up to the minute braking system. Its brilliant. I cannot see why the eu lot do not like them, but there you go its the eu. So much better towing a vehicle where all 4 wheels brake, can be reversed, has a lower centre of gravity to a car on a trailer. It seems madness to take a car of its 4 wheels and put it on a two wheel trailer with an ancient over ride braking system that cannot be reversed and say its better ??.
I know that's going a bit off subject but, just saying.

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[glenn2926]

We have been using an A frame for many years, we have just got a new car fitted with an up to the minute braking system. Its brilliant. I cannot see why the eu lot do not like them, but there you go its the eu. So much better towing a vehicle where all 4 wheels brake, can be reversed, has a lower centre of gravity to a car on a trailer. It seems madness to take a car of its 4 wheels and put it on a two wheel trailer with an ancient over ride braking system that cannot be reversed and say its better ??.
I know that's going a bit off subject but, just saying.

What sort of trailer cannot be reversed? I’ve not heard of one. Is it a special type of trailer?

 

[gwyntaxi]

I suppose one of the questions is, even if you could somehow tow an EV car fitted with an A-frame where realistically could you use it? With countries banning this practice in the EU (ie one vehicle towing another) it could become a bit of a white elephant that you could only use in the UK. I'm not going to go into the legalities of whether it becomes a trailer as that's not the issue abroad and at present the UK hasn't mandated against this.

When I first read this I though you were asking about an EV powered car towing another car, not the EV powered car being the toad.

I’m a little confused by the eu “banning” the towing of a ev car or any other (Petrol or Deisel) on an A-frame, it always has been banned, and as you say it is a bit of a white elephant as I have never taken my Aframed car abroad for that very reason, just not worth the fines and hassle.

 

[minesapint]

Can't really state the brands but problems are from battery's expiring and some exploding. The most common problem with which they are baffled is the multiple electrical faults.
My neighbours heap is a Toyota Rav which only starts on electric so when he doesn't use it for a few days the batteries go flat. He's had multiple new batteries and loads of electrical work but all in vain.

We have friends with a Mitsubishi electric/hybrid thing which they cannot wait to get rid of and get a good diesel, or a hydrogen powered car. When it runs out of electricity after now only 25 ish miles ,the petrol engine then cuts in and if lucky they get 25 mpg. Cost of new batteries is prohibitive.

 

[Big Boris]

Morning all,

It appears that current A Frame systems are not capable of having an EV as a tow car.

What do people think. If a system was available, would an EV be an option?

It certainly would for us.

Should I spend time looking at a solution or is it just me????

Thanks
BigDean

Morning all,

It appears that current A Frame systems are not capable of having an EV as a tow car.

What do people think. If a system was available, would an EV be an option?

It certainly would for us.

Should I spend time looking at a solution or is it just me????

Thanks
BigDean.

Hi,
I have a collapsable trailer for sale if that helps.

Cheers Big boris

 

[gwyntaxi]

I get that the towing vehicle would use more fuel. You would however have a fully charged EV when you stopped. Which would get used for a day or two. Then when you move on the EV gets charged again.
Just an idea. I think some can be charged albeit slowly from a household socket. If the towing vehicle has an inverter would this work?

I don’t think that an inverter would be capable of supplying sufficient output for charging an ev without depleting the batteries it’s drawing it’s power from, apart from this, those who are young enough to be buying a Ev car to tow on an Aframe have they considered how they might achieve this by eventually towing it with their EV MOTORHOME, personally by the time that petrol & diesel becomes unavailable I will probably have given up driving either due to old age .

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