Electric Motorhome a Reality but at a cost

[PhilG]

Nope, battery life is 10 years, cost £27k, will exchange in 3 years so lose probably £15k. 10,000 miles pa so depreciation would be 50p a n top. Servicing is negligible in that time period, add another 3p per mile.

Yeah, im not losing £100 a week on anything.

 

[gus-lopez]

Similar problem now with Blue Badge holders, not enough parking spaces to go round.

or are far to many blue badges dished out? No way can I see that anxiety should get you one.

Calor, are running much of their HGV fleet on LPG by dual Injection into Diesel Engines. So Using Hydrogen would not be such a great leap.

iveco do a standalone LPG article unit .

Nope, battery life is 10 years, cost £27k, will exchange in 3 years so lose probably £15k. 10,000 miles pa so depreciation would be 50p a n top. Servicing is negligible in that time period, add another 3p per mile.

you paid far too much. I spoke to a bloke with one at a car boot down here. He said the only way they could shift them was register for staff to use for 3 months then sell at 21 k less government 5k =16 k ,which is what he paid with1k miles on clock.

 

[ceejayt]

or are far to many blue badges dished out? No way can I see that anxiety should get you one.
iveco do a standalone LPG article unit .
you paid far too much. I spoke to a bloke with one at a car boot down here. He said the only way they could shift them was register for staff to use for 3 months then sell at 21 k less government 5k =16 k ,which is what he paid with1k miles on clock.

We bought the top of the range Tekna - bottom of the range would be closer in price

 

[Theonlysue]

What happens when you have to pay a kings ransom to charge? You won't have any choice but to pay.
And producing the electric produces byproducts that seem to get forgotten about.

 

[HandyAndy]

What happens when you have to pay a kings ransom to charge? You won't have any choice but to pay.
And producing the electric produces byproducts that seem to get forgotten about.

Yes you do have a choice. Power your home and your car with the the power of the sun.
And producing fossil fuel itself produces "byproducts"... more than a windmill or a solar panel ever will

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[Wh05apk]

What seems to be forgotten, is the massive amounts of electricity used to refine oil to make petrol and diesel, then the diesel used to truck it around the country, although convenient, petrol and diesel are a very inefficient energy source.

 

[Lenny HB]

I don't get it you spend a fortune on an electric car then they want to lease you the batteries at £170 a month.
I'll stick to putting £40 a month in petrol in my car thanks.

 

[Wh05apk]

Who leases batteries at £170pm? I don't.

 

[Lenny HB]

Who leases batteries at £170pm? I don't.

Nissan is one of them.

 

[Wh05apk]

It used to be an option I think, but very few took up, if you are only using £40 pm in petrol, a used leaf or Zoe would be perfect for you, minimal maintenance, no range concerns.

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[andyman]

I know I'll get some flack for saying thus.
But why do folks think they should be able to drive as for as they want when ever they want.
In the history of time the car has only been around for a very short time.
Everything changes and maybe we all need to travel less and might just have to accept it.

 

[ceejayt]

I forgot to mention that we also installed solar in the house which keeps charging costs down when charging during the day. Plus, shop at Lidl and get 50kw charger absolutely free - 30 minute shop gives about 90% charge. Our local shopping centres have free 7kw chargers and in York we can park for free when connected to a charger for as long as we wish instead of paying £2.80 per hour. The benefits are numerous

 

[Wh05apk]

But don't forget according to the press you have to replace the batteries every 3 years at a cost of £30,000!

 

[ceejayt]

But don't forget according to the press you have to replace the batteries every 3 years at a cost of £30,000!

Vehicles now should have 10 year battery warranty. Nissan now r3cycle the old batteries, refurbish and then sell them back as home store batteries

 

[PhilG]

It used to be an option I think, but very few took up, if you are only using £40 pm in petrol, a used leaf or Zoe would be perfect for you, minimal maintenance, no range concerns.

But to save that £40 a month you have to lose £100 in depreciation. My BMW uses £60 a month in fuel, and loses nothing . With no maintenance , and no range concerns.

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[ceejayt]

But to save that £40 a month you have to lose £100 in depreciation. My BMW uses £60 a month in fuel, and loses nothing . With no maintenance , and no range concerns.

All cars depreciate I don’t think electric cars depreciate any faster than any other now. My savings are way more than just the fuel, no road tax, free charging, free parking and £159 annual maintenance is hardly a big deal.

 

[PhilG]

All cars depreciate I don’t think electric cars depreciate any faster than any other now. My savings are way more than just the fuel, no road tax, free charging, free parking and £159 annual maintenance is hardly a big deal.

Mine is worth £175 as scrap, and we paid £470 for it 3 years ago, not losing a lot at all.

Savings are great as long as you are prepared to ignore what you spend in the first place to get them .

And no , probably not, but a £30k Leaf , isnt like a £30 BMW, its ICE equivalent is about £13k . You wont lose £15k on a car that doesnt cost that .

 

[ceejayt]

However, I don’t want to drive around in a £470 BMW and worry about reliability. I am prepared to pay for. Reliability

 

[HandyAndy]

buy a second hand electric car then, the value of those are appreciating.

 

[tonyidle]

iveco do a standalone LPG article unit

LPG vehicles still exhaust CO2 like every other hydrocarbon fuelled vehicle. They're clean in terms of particulates but NOx will still be there. Even Hydrogen-fuelled vehicles will output NOx along with harmless water vapour.

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[PhilG]

buy a second hand electric car then, the value of those are appreciating.

Really?

Where you get that from ?

 

[HandyAndy]

Really?

Where you get that from ?

OOh lets see...
Here

The used electric cars rising in value, with the Renault Zoe up 30%

The Renault Zoe is top of a list of second hand cars that are rising in value - and someone who bought one this time last year could potentially now sell it for 30 per cent more.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

Here

Second Hand Electric Cars

We explain the pros and cons of buying second hand electric cars. It's a great way of going green on a budget. Bargain prices to be had.

electriccarhome.co.uk

Here

Best used electric cars in 2025

Thinking of getting a secondhand EV? Here's our guide to the best used electric cars to buy. Read on to find out more.

www.carmagazine.co.uk

Here

Used EV and hybrid prices soar as demand outstrips supply

Prices of second-hand electric and hybrid vehicles are soaring as demand outstrips supply, according to one of the country’s largest used-car marketplaces.

uk.motor1.com

Here

Demand for used electric vehicles increasing, says SVA

Demand began increasing for EVs in the second half of 2018 and has continued into 2019, according to Alex Wright, managing director of SVA.

www.fleetnews.co.uk

 

[ceejayt]

OOh lets see...
Here

The used electric cars rising in value, with the Renault Zoe up 30%

The Renault Zoe is top of a list of second hand cars that are rising in value - and someone who bought one this time last year could potentially now sell it for 30 per cent more.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

Here

Second Hand Electric Cars

We explain the pros and cons of buying second hand electric cars. It's a great way of going green on a budget. Bargain prices to be had.

electriccarhome.co.uk

Here

Best used electric cars in 2025

Thinking of getting a secondhand EV? Here's our guide to the best used electric cars to buy. Read on to find out more.

www.carmagazine.co.uk

Here

Used EV and hybrid prices soar as demand outstrips supply

Prices of second-hand electric and hybrid vehicles are soaring as demand outstrips supply, according to one of the country’s largest used-car marketplaces.

uk.motor1.com

Here

Demand for used electric vehicles increasing, says SVA

Demand began increasing for EVs in the second half of 2018 and has continued into 2019, according to Alex Wright, managing director of SVA.

www.fleetnews.co.uk

In which case I guess my Leaf is not depreciating that quickly ???

 

[Wh05apk]

I think the turning point was about 2 years ago, at that time, they couldn't give leafs away, with some ridiculously cheap lease deals, since then demand has outstripped supply with most ev's, the new Kia niro's are over 12 months wait.

 

[PhilG]

OOh lets see...
Here

The used electric cars rising in value, with the Renault Zoe up 30%

The Renault Zoe is top of a list of second hand cars that are rising in value - and someone who bought one this time last year could potentially now sell it for 30 per cent more.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

Here

Second Hand Electric Cars

We explain the pros and cons of buying second hand electric cars. It's a great way of going green on a budget. Bargain prices to be had.

electriccarhome.co.uk

Here

Best used electric cars in 2025

Thinking of getting a secondhand EV? Here's our guide to the best used electric cars to buy. Read on to find out more.

www.carmagazine.co.uk

Here

Used EV and hybrid prices soar as demand outstrips supply

Prices of second-hand electric and hybrid vehicles are soaring as demand outstrips supply, according to one of the country’s largest used-car marketplaces.

uk.motor1.com

Here

Demand for used electric vehicles increasing, says SVA

Demand began increasing for EVs in the second half of 2018 and has continued into 2019, according to Alex Wright, managing director of SVA.

www.fleetnews.co.uk

Reading through those articles. you have two things going on here...Nissan Leaf's and Renault Zoe's are being dumped into the used market in volume, after being registered and used by Nissan and Renault . The company i worked for had a scheme where we could lease cars , but only these 2 , and we had 2 take it up out of 600 employees.. these low mileage barely used models are being dumped into the stockpile, and by simple maths, this pulls the average price of the used stock up. As has been said earlier in this thread , you can buy virtually new one for buttons compared to new price, and more and more i be coming available. This practice of registering cars isnt new, but its just maths... thats certainly how i read one of the articles. Average used price... its never going to drop when you are top loading high value units into the pool.

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[PhilG]

And because used ones dont come with the huge bribe, nobody wants the 1 year old ones, so they drop in value faster as a result.. 2017 models are up for £15-16k which is all a car of that spec should be selling for in the first place new. A new Ford Focus is £18k, and its a much better car.

 

[ceejayt]

And because used ones dont come with the huge bribe, nobody wants the 1 year old ones, so they drop in value faster as a result.. 2017 models are up for £15-16k which is all a car of that spec should be selling for in the first place new. A new Ford Focus is £18k, and its a much better car.

Better in what way?

Our Tekna has everything on it that could possibly have as an accessory - list is too long plus it is quiet and a delight to drive. Range is the issue. ‘Better’ is more an individual opinion than a sweeping reality. Although I might say a Ferrari was ‘better’ but I can’t afford one of those. ?

 

[PhilG]

Better in what way?

Our Tekna has everything on it that could possibly have as an accessory - list is too long plus it is quiet and a delight to drive. Range is the issue. ‘Better’ is more an individual opinion than a sweeping reality. Although I might say a Ferrari was ‘better’ but I can’t afford one of those. ?

I can run it for 3 days and do 750 miles , and only spend 10 mins in a fuel station.

Even if its the same, in every way, it has no range issues and its £12k cheaper. I have rented a few this year and 3 cylinder one flies, great on fuel, pleasant to drive, goes well on the Autobahn.. and has more things than i could or would ever use.

Like you said , its a choice, i dont have the money to make the wrong one.

 

[HandyAndy]

Since when does over supply of a product increase its value ??

 

[Yorick]

Pipe dreams. Based on many people I know who have electric vehicles I wouldn't even look at one. My neigjbour is on first name terms with Geeenflag who jump start his car at least once a month. Yet another costly brain dead idea similar to the gas powered engine years ago.

In 50 years or so, there will be no more fossil fuel. Don't you want your kids and grandkids to have campers?

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