Electric car ( again ) ? Anyone?

[Silver-Fox]

I’m pretty sure it was the cyclists fault….

On a battery assist bike?

 

[Gromett]

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I wondered how long it would be before someone blamed an EV and I had a silent bet with myself who the person would be on here to bring it up. I was wrong on both counts.
Took longer for EVs to be blamed than I expected and it was someone I didn't expect blaming them

I was wrong on both counts

 

[Gromett]

You anti EV lot ought to consider this. Even the most conservative figures I have seen put the rate of ICE fires as 20 times that of BEV fires. It is likely a far higher ratio.

So, whenever you lot see a car fire you immediately say EV, which is no better than hearing hooves coming up the road thinking Zebras not Horses.

 

[Gromett]

I thought that igniting diesel fuel is supposed to be rather difficult. Surprising that a diesel RR caught fire so easily.

Electrical fire that generated enough heat to ignite vehicle. Once the temperature is high enough diesel burns fine.

 

[Gromett]

If no EVs were involved then you can eat my hat.

Two things. Being involved and being the cause are two different things.

I notice you are so confident in your claim you expect someone else to eat your hat not yourself

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[VXman]

I thought that igniting diesel fuel is supposed to be rather difficult. Surprising that a diesel RR caught fire so easily.

Car fires can easily be caused by oil leaking onto something hot, causing a flame which will quickly catch onto anything flammable. Doesn't need the fuel to ignite for the car to go up quickly in flames.

 

[Onemanandhisdog]

It's not hard to pick out the EV owners or fans from the comments.
It is still odd how this spread, it's not like multistory car parks are uncommon, or various types of vehicles parking in them or the fact there might have been a bit of a breeze to fan the flames. I'm a little suspicious.

 

[Dutch 68]

You anti EV lot ought to consider this. Even the most conservative figures I have seen put the rate of ICE fires as 20 times that of BEV fires. It is likely a far higher ratio.

So, whenever you lot see a car fire you immediately say EV, which is no better than hearing hooves coming up the road thinking Zebras not Horses.

It’s just that the EV fan club members are sooooo entertaining when there is a accusation, that’s why the ICE fan club members bring it up

 

[Tombola]

I find it strange or rather

Thats what ev vehicle ‘s do, and very difficult to stop.

Go on explain

You have to admit that when they go that they go in spectacular fashion? Seen enough evidence of that in recent years, but you are right, it might be caused by someone vaping instead

Tell me Dutch
What have you seen.
Have you seen an ev explode in a fireball in a second like a tank full of fuel does. No probably not

You are listening to the wrong people who are spreading (forgive the pun) rubbish.

Don't consider me and ev"fan club"
Consider me as someone who puts luddites right on facts. And allow me to consider you a troll based on your first & post 38

 

[Guigsy]

It's not hard to pick out the EV owners or fans from the comments.
It is still odd how this spread, it's not like multistory car parks are uncommon, or various types of vehicles parking in them or the fact there might have been a bit of a breeze to fan the flames. I'm a little suspicious.

A multi storey car park is a pretty good starting point if you wanted to design a structure that encouraged a burning car to spread it's ignition to other vehicles. Parked nice and close. Concrete floor and low ceiling to trap the heat in. Just enough cross-flow of air.

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[Dutch 68]

I find it strange or rather

Go on explain

Tell me Dutch
What have you seen.
Have you seen an ev explode in a fireball in a second like a tank full of fuel does. No probably not

You are listening to the wrong people who are spreading (forgive the pun) rubbish.

Don't consider me and ev"fan club"
Consider me as someone who puts luddites right on facts. And allow me to consider you a troll based on your first post.

There we go , making it personal eh ? Rule 1 , you know the score, if you need to see any evidence, please do some research and see on many platforms the video’s of EV ‘s catching fire and how those fire’s develop, not that hard to find some facts if you needed some convincing

 

[Tombola]

There we go , making it personal eh ? Rule 1 , you know the score, if you need to see any evidence, please do some research and see on many platforms the video’s of EV ‘s catching fire and how those fire’s develop, not that hard to find some facts if you needed some convincing

I have plenty research just pointing out facts Dutch to keep you up to date. Seems you are waaay behind.


Don't quote rule1 if you don't practice it please . I didnt jump on that one with you.

Note you still haven't explained.but I don't expect so.
dont know why people get so offended when told facts .

 

[CAB96]

A multi storey car park is a pretty good starting point if you wanted to design a structure that encouraged a burning car to spread it's ignition to other vehicles. Parked nice and close. Concrete floor and low ceiling to trap the heat in. Just enough cross-flow of air.

And no sprinklers in this one to restrict it.

A burning car is a very intense fire, lots of plastic fuel for the fire quite apart from the actual liquid fuel.

Confine that, all the energy has to go somewhere, and it will go sideways to the car parked immediately adjacent! That's why we have 6 metres spacing on UK campsites, and that's in the open air!!!

 

[neilydun]

I saw a car park catch light once in Hertford.
It was quite spectacular, and very noisy. Lots of fuel tanks and tyres exploding.
I often wondered what the result would be if the cooling fans failed, while a DPF doing a regen mid cycle would be.
I know on mine, if I park up midway on a regen, its sounds like concord is about to take off under the bonnet.

 

[Dutch 68]

I have plenty research just pointing out facts Dutch to keep you up to date. Seems you are waaay behind.


Don't quote rule1 if you don't practice it please . I didnt jump on that one with you.

Note you still haven't explained.but I don't expect so.
dont know why people get so offended when told facts .

Maybe because calling someone a Troll because you don’t share their views gets people offended? If you want to be in denial about the associated substantial extra risks when EV’s go up in smoke with extremely difficult to extinguish fire’s please do so, but don’t feel offended if other people don’t share your view, and certainly don’t use words like Troll for them, it’s not pleasant, please carry on enjoying your day

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[Steve and Denise]

Teslas answer to a heater for winter

https://fb.watch/nCnWWJ7C-d/

 

[Tombola]

Dutch 68
He yar, Ill sort you some facts again, then go about my day, thanks for the fun.

It’s just that the EV fan club members are sooooo entertaining when there is a accusation, that’s why the ICE fan club members bring it up

oh but there is no denying what you said here, thats a fact, agreed

extremely difficult to extinguish fire’s

 

[Steve and Denise]

Go on explain

I may be wrong but do lithium batteries produce their own supply of oxygen when burning hence being difficult to extinguish?

 

[Tombola]

I may be wrong but do lithium batteries produce their own supply of oxygen when burning hence being difficult to extinguish?

not sure, tbh....but i know they go and go and go once they start thanks to the chemical reaction, but start slowly compared to a boom from a fuel tank, so gives people more time to evacuate.


It has been explained/proven many times that pro rata.... a tank of petrol is far more of a problem than a well-engineered battery in cars

 

[Dutch 68]

Gosh so you did feel that my non personal black humour posting was a deliberate posting to upset people, and then you reacted in a personal offending way calling someone a Troll, well my sincerest apologies if you did find my post upsetting, note to self, be more careful because you just never know……..

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[Onemanandhisdog]

A multi storey car park is a pretty good starting point if you wanted to design a structure that encouraged a burning car to spread it's ignition to other vehicles. Parked nice and close. Concrete floor and low ceiling to trap the heat in. Just enough cross-flow of air.

My point is, there are, according to Mr Google, around 6,000 multistory car parks in the UK and I do not remember this happening before, which is why I find it a little strange.
But, for the EV lovers, it does mention many of these may collapse under the added weight of EV's as they are mostly old and unloved.

 

[Guigsy]

My point is, there are, according to Mr Google, around 6,000 multistory car parks in the UK and I do not remember this happening before, which is why I find it a little strange.
But, for the EV lovers, it does mention many of these may collapse under the added weight of EV's as they are mostly old and unloved.

Many multi storey car parks have sprinklers because of this risk. And have done so for many years before the invention of BEVs.

BEVs are certainly heavy. But as we've moved to bigger SUVs with more safety features, cars are approaching double the weight they were 30 years ago. Many family cars are now well over 2t, again, without batteries. Combined with poor maintenance, ignoring the concrete spawl off your car park deck and let the salty road drippings get in, it's not surprising that some car parks are being declared unsafe.

 

[Tombola]

There will be some good insurance claims thats for sure.

There are diversions for aircraft being sorted, Im expecting a possible delay am tomorrow.
fireman says the blaze may have started INSIDE a car, so lithium could be the culprit after all in a mobile phone

CUE all the mobile phone fan boys !! (sorry not sorry)

 

[Tombola]

But as we've moved to bigger SUVs with more safety features

a tesla model s (quite a large car) weighs hardly any more than a jag XJ, same class

the whole weight thing is just sensational journalsism as described perfectly by Gromett here
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[dulvil]

Some people are determined to push out bad news about EV's. You may be correct but it's several posts since Wh05apk suggested we wait to see, but still the armchair fire experts push their theory that it was caused by an EV.

It could also have been arson as already stated, and ICE vehicle, a EV charger, someone left a device on charge in a vehicle or any number of alternatives. Please give up this every fire is caused by an EV line?

The ones that condem e.v’s are the ones who perhaps can’t afford one but would love to

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[dulvil]

Cannot remember a Vauxhall hate club when their petrol cars kept catching fire a few years ago

 

[Guigsy]

a tesla model s (quote a large car) weighs hardly and more than a jag XJ, same class

the whole weight thing is just sensational journalsism as described perfectly by Gromett here
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Tesla are managing to make their cars fairly light. Most manufacturers are ending up with a couple of hundred kg extra mass when their models go EV. E.g. Audi Q7 is 2.2t, the Q7 eTron is over 2.6t.

 

[Guigsy]

Cannot remember a Vauxhall hate club when their petrol cars kept catching fire a few years ago

Is it a club when everyone is a member?

 

[Onemanandhisdog]

Not sure who's condemning them, they are great in theory, like a lot of things.
My driving needs are perfectly suited to an EV, but my terraced house with no offroad parking isn't. I approached the council asking what could be done, after a 2 week wait they came back and told me I would have to wait for autonomous EV's so it could take itself off to a charging point.
I'm not sure if it was a joke or April 1st, I have since imagined vast acres of charging points with lots of little EV's all waiting patiently for someone to plug the charging cable in. I can't even park in my road most days.

 

[Guigsy]

Not sure who's condemning them, they are great in theory, like a lot of things.
My driving needs are perfectly suited to an EV, but my terraced house with no offroad parking isn't. I approached the council asking what could be done, after a 2 week wait they came back and told me I would have to wait for autonomous EV's so it could take itself off to a charging point.
I'm not sure if it was a joke or April 1st, I have since imagined vast acres of charging points with lots of little EV's all waiting patiently for someone to plug the charging cable in. I can't even park in my road most days.

I know someone that lives in a flat with an EV. He only does about 5k per year. He doesn't seem to mid getting a coffee while it fast charges about once a fortnight. It was bought on the business, so it saves him a fortune.

For terraced streets, the only practical solution I've seen is less cars. About one bay in 5 is lost. Then every other space there's a little build-out from the footway to put in a charger. It needs lots of roadworks, and improvements in charging payment systems.

I worked in the industry for many years. Lots of my friends still do. Totally autonomous cars that'll drive themselves to the charger are looking to be so expensive, only taxi type services will be able to afford them. Not individuals. At least not for a couple of decades anyway.

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