E-Scooter possibilities

[Stewart J]

German couple on site here in Roses have been zipping around on one of these, pretty cool and folds for storage but pricey

LEHE K1 + Plus Version

The Lehe K1 in the Plus version with removable battery. The K1 Hammer by Horwin Lehe with German approval according to §21 StVZO. 18 kg weight and 20 or 25 km / h fast!

www.e-action.shop

 

[Manic]

Regardless of the legality, with hip problems would standing on a e-scooter cause a problem, I know my hip hurts if I stand still for any time.

 

[Lenny HB]

I thought in Spain ones with a seat have to be registered and insured.

 

[oldiesontour]

A lot of discussion about legality ( and clearly lots of here breaking the law,us included)
The biggest questions are 1.How likely are the police to stop you. 2.How much "damage " would this be likely to do to your driving licence (future insurance).3.Potentially the most serious (as it could affect your licence,bank account and freedom) an accident, minor damage,to minor injury ,to death .
No 1 In my opinion being a plod seeing 2 people on e scooters that are illegal would I be more likely to stop them than 2 people on possibly perfectly legal ebikes ?Or neither?
No 2.Presumeably Not the same punishment for an ebikes legal other than a thumb throttle,as for high powered scooter ,and graduated punishment for everything between.
3.Again , presumably graduated punishment,a fine and a few points to bankruptcy and prison.( May not be directly your fault but a case if you hadn't been their( on your illegal vehicle) it would not have happened)Doubt many insurance policies cover illegal activities.
So bearing all the above in mind ,we either stay within the law,or break it to a degree we think causes an acceptable risk,or say the hell with it ,it won't happen to me.
Re .Mr.Eastwood YOU FEELING LUCKY ?

 

[VXman]

& everywhere else.

But rarely (Ever?) enforced/fined.

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[VXman]

Snow and Curt (Van Life you tubers) who are a little older use these. Engue S6 folding. Again not legal but they are using them successfully in Europe.

 

[Nigel P]

A lot of discussion about legality ( and clearly lots of here breaking the law,us included)
The biggest questions are 1.How likely are the police to stop you. 2.How much "damage " would this be likely to do to your driving licence (future insurance).3.Potentially the most serious (as it could affect your licence,bank account and freedom) an accident, minor damage,to minor injury ,to death .
No 1 In my opinion being a plod seeing 2 people on e scooters that are illegal would I be more likely to stop them than 2 people on possibly perfectly legal ebikes ?Or neither?
No 2.Presumeably Not the same punishment for an ebikes legal other than a thumb throttle,as for high powered scooter ,and graduated punishment for everything between.
3.Again , presumably graduated punishment,a fine and a few points to bankruptcy and prison.( May not be directly your fault but a case if you hadn't been their( on your illegal vehicle) it would not have happened)Doubt many insurance policies cover illegal activities.
So bearing all the above in mind ,we either stay within the law,or break it to a degree we think causes an acceptable risk,or say the hell with it ,it won't happen to me.
Re .Mr.Eastwood YOU FEELING LUCKY ?

In the UK around 1100 are seized by police each year. If you get stopped it will seized, if fixed penalty it is £300 fine and 6 points, if court, points/disqualification options and unlimited fine. Either way you will be explaining to your insurance company for the next five years why you chose not to comply with the necessary legislation which is in place to try to keep law abiding road users safe.
What is an 'acceptable' risk? Is it based upon prevailing circumstances or ability/competence or risk of detection.

 

[oldiesontour]

In the UK around 1100 are seized by police each year. If you get stopped it will seized, if fixed penalty it is £300 fine and 6 points, if court, points/disqualification options and unlimited fine. Either way you will be explaining to your insurance company for the next five years why you chose not to comply with the necessary legislation which is in place to try to keep law abiding road users safe.
What is an 'acceptable' risk? Is it based upon prevailing circumstances or ability/competence or risk of detection.

An acceptable risk in the eyes of the law breakers ,having assed their individual acceptance of the consequences of their illegal/legal choice.
At the end of the day if you break the law you may have to live with the consequences.
If there is only a 1 in 10, 000 chance of being caught for car theft does it make car theft acceptable,a bit nearer legal ?

 

[Nigel P]

Perhaps the more pertinent issue is one of culpability, it is all well and good accepting the personal consequences of the chosen actions but what about the consequences for others who did not make that choice. I had a career meeting those who thought they knew better or didn't think the law applied to them, it brought about many interesting conversations around the 'it won't happen to me' scenarios. Sadly a significant number of those encounters involved people who did not survive to regret their choices. As the saying goes: 'if you don't like the rules, don't play the game'

 

[jezport]

My wife and I are senior citizens [me 74 her 68] so mobility is a bit of an isseu due to hips etc. Would love e-bikes but cannot manage to pedal without pain. Weight restrictions on 3.5T Rimor means my first choice of a small m/cycle not in the equation. I am left with the possibility of us getting e-scooters to commute between Aires and towns/beaches and places of interest. Just wondered if any other Funsters had tried it out.

They are legal in certain countries.
I use one on show grounds, I have severe arthritis and hip problems. They are great and no matter what some people say they can be safe. Don't get one with tiny wheels, wear a helmet and clothing that gets you seen and drive sensibly. Even at low speeds they feel fast!

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[oldiesontour]

Perhaps the more pertinent issue is one of culpability, it is all well and good accepting the personal consequences of the chosen actions but what about the consequences for others who did not make that choice. I had a career meeting those who thought they knew better or didn't think the law applied to them, it brought about many interesting conversations around the 'it won't happen to me' scenarios. Sadly a significant number of those encounters involved people who did not survive to regret their choices. As the saying goes: 'if you don't like the rules, don't play the game'

Those that did not live to regret their choice at least made the decision that led to their demise,the ones who were victims of the deceased choice had no input into their resulting situation (eg the drunk driver that kills an innocent party or perhaps the scooter rider that puts an innocent child in a wheelchair permanently)
Most of us make irresponsible decisions more than once in our lives and get away with it until the day we don't ī

 

[Nigel P]

They are legal in certain countries.
I use one on show grounds, I have severe arthritis and hip problems. They are great and no matter what some people say they can be safe. Don't get one with tiny wheels, wear a helmet and clothing that gets you seen and drive sensibly. Even at low speeds they feel fast!

If you are referring to UK showgrounds then the use of e-scooters still causes a problem. The showground, if open to the public, becomes a public place and insurance rules will still apply. No different to supermarket car parks etc.

 

[Roby2008]

For you Island Dwellers , the problem with e-scooters is that while they are legal across most of the EU with differing rules, it is the availability of insurance that makes it difficult for you, so even if you can use one, you can´t get insurance to do so.

https://www.evz.de/en/reisen-verkehr/e-mobilitaet/zweiraeder/e-scooter-regulations-in-europe.html

(This link give an overview of the various rules across the EU, regulations change all the time so the details in the list are not guaranteed. )

And I found: https://www.bikesure.co.uk/e-scooter-insurance/
They have a 90 EU day cover on their proposed e-scooter insurance, it might be worth asking if the EU cover is available as a separate product, if so, then an e-scooter for the EU becomes workable.

 

[suavecarve]

In the UK around 1100 are seized by police each year. If you get stopped it will seized, if fixed penalty it is £300 fine and 6 points, if court, points/disqualification options and unlimited fine. Either way you will be explaining to your insurance company for the next five years why you chose not to comply with the necessary legislation which is in place to try to keep law abiding road users safe.
What is an 'acceptable' risk? Is it based upon prevailing circumstances or ability/competence or risk of detection.

1100.
I would suspect 1095 of those belonged to drug dealers or people who are shagging the inspectors wife.