E&P Levelling system

Cozz nd Keith

Cozz nd Keith

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I have this system on my van, around 8 months old fitted by SAP.
Quite often it says incline too steep use manual. So I do. However I have done this twice now where 1 of the jacks has not been touching the ground. Also when on auto the van is not level.
Am I doing something wrong?
Thought I would ask here but will give them a call to what’s up
Cheers Keith
 
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Boaty said:
That's the question!
So a van coups. Nowadays the first and second reaction is blame. Not me I used automatic.

Think of the parameters, angles, substrate, wind, rain forecast? Goes on.

Auto probably also takes account of idiots 👍.
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Exactly my line of thinking. 👍
 
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Have had numerous excavators for 40 years and they work in very harsh environments, never had a ram seal go or oiled them!! The jack legs will pick up a film of oil every time they go up and down….
 
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Just bought a small level from flee bay just to calibrate what we think is level when doing it on manual. Will make sure I go outside to look at pads touching down first in future.
Thanks for the replies all
 
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Cozz nd Keith said:
My thoughts exactly
Was surprised I had to manually level when on a small slope. If I can do it manually why can’t the system do it on auto
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My Tesa levelling system does not have this problem. It will try to level no matter what the slope, only failing when one or more of the jacks are at full extension, and then it just stops.

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Old Gibber said:
My Tesa levelling system does not have this problem. It will try to level no matter what the slope, only failing when one or more of the jacks are at full extension, and then it just stops.
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That’s kinda what I expected from this at least on a small gradient when you pay 6k plus for it 😭
 
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Even after recalibration and servicing at SAP, I invariably have to use the manual setting, as the slightest slope is not catered for on the auto setting. :(

Cheers,

Jock. :)
 
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Cozz nd Keith said:
I have this system on my van, around 8 months old fitted by SAP.
Quite often it says incline too steep use manual. So I do. However I have done this twice now where 1 of the jacks has not been touching the ground. Also when on auto the van is not level.
Am I doing something wrong?
Thought I would ask here but will give them a call to what’s up
Cheers Keith
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We have E&P Jack fitted by SAP back in 2018. I have had one jack not touching the ground, I have reported it but I feel they are not interested. The last time I mentioned it I was told it's out of warranty, not really the answer to my question "can you fix it?" If it helps ours does it in manual or auto mode, I think when I for instance send the left jacks down, both rears go down instead.
 
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Cheese Monster said:
We have E&P Jack fitted by SAP back in 2018. I have had one jack not touching the ground, I have reported it but I feel they are not interested. The last time I mentioned it I was told it's out of warranty, not really the answer to my question "can you fix it?" If it helps ours does it in manual or auto mode, I think when I for instance send the left jacks down, both rears go down instead.
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I have been sending down the ones that have furthest to travel first. On the occasion that 1 of them is not touching down I swear it was at some point but when noticed it wasn’t it was by quite a margin. That’s why I will go around and check all jacks in future
Keith
 
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Cozz nd Keith said:
I have been sending down the ones that have furthest to travel first. On the occasion that 1 of them is not touching down I swear it was at some point but when noticed it wasn’t it was by quite a margin. That’s why I will go around and check all jacks in future
Keith
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50mm off the ground at a guess.

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I had the E&P on my last MH, a heavier A class, for over 5 years until we sold the van. It was fitted by S&P (Mick) at Doncaster.

It started OK, but after a while I became a bit disillusioned. It was recalibrate twice by S&P, and by me, but it rarely levelled properly and I usually had to do it manually with my own spirit level. As with others, it often baulked at trying to level on even a slight slope. I also had a hydraulic leak after about 2 years.

If I had to fit a system now, I would look at something else.
 
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JockandRita said:
Even after recalibration and servicing at SAP, I invariably have to use the manual setting, as the slightest slope is not catered for on the auto setting. :(

Cheers,

Jock. :)
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Full air is a big bonus Jock as it drops everything down and then stands a much better chance of getting a level, very rarely fails on auto actually.
 
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This is the first thread that I’ve read where the feedback on SAP has been less than positive; normally you only hear folks singing their praises.

Ian
 
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funflair said:
Full air is a big bonus Jock as it drops everything down and then stands a much better chance of getting a level, very rarely fails on auto actually.
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A system we clearly don't have Martin............but manage nonetheless without. ;)

Cheers,

Jock. ;)

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bigtwin said:
This is the first thread that I’ve read where the feedback on SAP has been less than positive; normally you only hear folks singing their praises.

Ian
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Well it was people singing their praise that made us visit SAP at Doncaster (from Cornwall where we then lived) to get it fitted.

To be fair, that was 7 years ago and there was not much choice then and a lot more now. Also, I don't have any gripe with SAP - Mick and his team seemed very thorough and I have no reason to think the system wasn't fitted properly.

My disappointment was with the E&P system itself. It was rare that it levelled properly without some manual help, and it was a lot of money to pay for that. With hindsight and extensive use, it wasn't as good as I had hoped it would be. It may have since been improved, but this was my experience.
 
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My observation for our E&P system is that when in ‘automatic’ mode all jacks are deployed to touch the ground before the levelling process begins. Using the example of the front needing to go higher to achieve level, the front pair then extend enough to make that happen. This will be higher than if the rear jacks were not deployed in the first place as the suspension will allow the van to squat down slightly at the rear.

In the scenario above I’ll drop the fronts and level the van and only then drop the rears to just touch and stabilise to eliminate any bounce when moving around inside.

Other orientations are available! ;)
 
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Orion said:
My observation for our E&P system is that when in ‘automatic’ mode all jacks are deployed to touch the ground before the levelling process begins.
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Not if the sensors think that the level of the MH, is not within safe parameters for it to level automatically. Been there and tried that. ;)

Coastal Cruiser. said:
Sounds like the previous owner of your van Jock was a bit of a tight wad not to install it🤔🤔😂😂
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Ha Ha :LOL: but in all fairness, I don't think that the ability to dump the air from the suspension before deployment of the hydraulic levellers, was a feature available on the system we have fitted. ;)

Cheers,

Jock. ;)
 
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I always use ours on manual, doesn’t take any longer than using auto.

Never had any problems with the kit. To be honest I’d struggle being without it now, or is that just me being lazy.

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DerryW said:
I always use ours on manual, doesn’t take any longer than using auto.

Never had any problems with the kit. To be honest I’d struggle being without it now, or is that just me being lazy.
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No!
It’s making use of tech to get a better enjoyment out of the time when away.
Having had it now I would not be so inclined to do without it
 
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We are happy with ours from SAP, even though we have to use manual even on the slightest slope, just miffed as when we were looking, SAP was well recommended, never had any poor comments/reviews so pleased to hear they are not perfect.
We may have looked elsewhere if we had read these comments earlier.
 
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The E & P levelling system does come in very handy when you want to change your brake pads and discs all round. (y) :giggle:

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Carpmart said:
And when fitting new shock absorbers 👍🏻
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Unless someone at the factory installation of the 2 x rear shocks, fitted 3 of the bolts the right way round, but 1 x bolt the wrong way round, thereby denying access to the bleddy nut...........without further major work needing to be carried out.

Jock. :cry:
 
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JockandRita said:
Unless someone at the factory installation of the 2 x rear shocks, fitted 3 of the bolts the right way round, but 1 x bolt the wrong way round, thereby denying access to the bleddy nut...........without further major work needing to be carried out.

Jock. :cry:
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I'm glad I only changed the front ones Jock (y) that's not why I didn't do the rears though, honest :LOL:
 
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Has anyone got another system that does level properly. TESA was mentioned as one which works well.

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Mleabon said:
Has anyone got another system that does level properly. TESA was mentioned as one which works well.
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HPC seems to be used by a couple of the big German manufacturers now over E&P but that might be to do with the fact that HPC also do the hydraulics for slide out sides, I am not sure that HPC or any other would be that different to E&P though, I was always happy enough with the E&P on our last van even though you had to sometimes use manual, actually I think I used It quite a lot but on this van it nearly always works in "auto" but as I said earlier the difference is that we now now have full air which integrates with the E&P so when you press the "auto" on the control panel it first drops the air out of the suspension and the levels on "auto" nearly every time.
 
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