Drones on site

Jonny1953 said:
Not sure if this link will work but it shows 2 people objecting about Google maps filming their houses

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Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
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It shows two properties ‘fuzzed out’ so I guess that their protests were heeded.

Ian

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My friend designs drones for the Indian military 8 ft wing span. He recommended one for me as I only wanted to spend £50 then I decided that after a couple of dozen flights I would get bored so gave it a miss.

I wanted it to scare the pigeons off the roof
 
I now understand this thread more clearly, if you don’t like something, get it banned. Maybe, we can get boring old farts banned the same time or placed on top of a mountain on their own. Then the rest of us more tolerant beings, can live amicably together.
 
DelMar said:
I now understand this thread more clearly, if you don’t like something, get it banned. Maybe, we can get boring old farts banned the same time or placed on top of a mountain on their own. Then the rest of us more tolerant beings, can live amicably together.
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The OP did not say ban them. Just that he was annoyed by some ignorant pillock flying one around a site.

I don't see being annoyed by someone else's inconsiderate behavior as boring.

I fly RC helis and am considering a drone but I would never fly any of them to the annoyance of others.

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How will you know if you annoy someone D&S? Oh yes !!!! They will fire their catapult.
 
Littlewheels said:
It appears that most have missed the obvious objection and that is Social Media and so many people are transfixed with posting on Social Media for financial benefit along with the pure insensitiveness of not even considering the privacy of people who’s image or possessions they have captured on the Drone camera are then posted on the Web for all and sundry to see.
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In UK Law there is no expectation of privacy in a public place. Photographs can be taken by anyone of anyone and anything visible from a public space. Which probably helps those who mount video surveillance cameras anywhere and everywhere.
 
tonyidle said:
Which probably helps those who mount video surveillance cameras anywhere and everywhere.
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Sorry , but that is incorrect. I was a CCTV and intruder alarm engineer for 10 years, and if you are an organisation or business and your CCTV will capture images of your customers or the public, then you are obliged by legislation to display signage informing people that you are recording images.
For home CCTV, the same applies if the captured images exceed the grounds boundary of your property. If the captured images are within the boundary of your property, then no signage is require.
As an installer we we legally require to put up signage where require, but it is rare to see signage put up by a DIY-er.

This also applies to doorbell cameras that record and store the images which I would image few know or care about, and I have had nobody complain that their privacy was being invaded by our Ring doorbell recording them, and no I don't have signage up.
 
The OP reported that a drone flyer was taking off and landing his drone within 15 ft of other campers, buzzing the site, letting his dog wander off and then getting grumpy when the OP returned it.

Would you have liked that?
 
Two on Tour said:
Sorry , but that is incorrect. I was a CCTV and intruder alarm engineer for 10 years, and if you are an organisation or business and your CCTV will capture images of your customers or the public, then you are obliged by legislation to display signage informing people that you are recording images.
For home CCTV, the same applies if the captured images exceed the grounds boundary of your property. If the captured images are within the boundary of your property, then no signage is require.
As an installer we we legally require to put up signage where require, but it is rare to see signage put up by a DIY-er.

This also applies to doorbell cameras that record and store the images which I would image few know or care about, and I have had nobody complain that their privacy was being invaded by our Ring doorbell recording them, and no I don't have signage up.
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Working with similar equipment including RIPA and GDPA also aware of the legalities, and heard the myths as well, but as a matter of interest, are you aware of any time it (personal CCTV viewing public access) has been acted upon as I m not ?

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suavecarve said:
Working with similar equipment including RIPA and GDPA also aware of the legalities, and heard the myths as well, but as a matter of interest, are you aware of any time it (personal CCTV viewing public access) has been acted upon as I m not ?
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It has been the opposite when the police and neighbours have asked if we have footage when there have been thefts or shenanigans that we might have recorded.
 
Two on Tour said:
Sorry , but that is incorrect. I was a CCTV and intruder alarm engineer for 10 years, and if you are an organisation or business and your CCTV will capture images of your customers or the public, then you are obliged by legislation to display signage informing people that you are recording images.
For home CCTV, the same applies if the captured images exceed the grounds boundary of your property. If the captured images are within the boundary of your property, then no signage is require.
As an installer we we legally require to put up signage where require, but it is rare to see signage put up by a DIY-er.

This also applies to doorbell cameras that record and store the images which I would image few know or care about, and I have had nobody complain that their privacy was being invaded by our Ring doorbell recording them, and no I don't have signage up.
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Fair point :giggle: . As I was reading your post an image flashed through my mind of a drone towing one of those aerial banners with "CCTV in operation" behind it.:giggle:
 
What about dash cam footage do you need a sign on the side of your car.
 
tonyidle said:
In UK Law there is no expectation of privacy in a public place. Photographs can be taken by anyone of anyone and anything visible from a public space. Which probably helps those who mount video surveillance cameras anywhere and everywhere.
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My point is that the images are often posted on Social Media for financial gain and can be seen by a vast number of people.
l do not and have not given permission for any and take it as an infringement of my privacy.
 
I think that CCTV in cities towns and on homes has merged into every day life for most people and that you are not really aware of statically mounted CCTV cameras and I for one see them more as protection or the potential for providing evidence if require rather than invasion of my privacy.
My personal view is that I'm doing nothing wrong so CCTV does not bother me.
With drones on the other hand, they attract your attention by the fact that they move and make noise and the perception that they are videoing all the time which in the majority of case and certainly with my drone they are not.
Although I have been a Drone flyer for many years, even my reaction to hearing and seeing a drone is to question what's is up to, and that unknow draws suspicion.
For me personally, I very rarely shoot video with my drone as I use it for the main part to take photos of landmarks and places of interest to me from a different prospective, so if you see my drone moving, the likelihood is it is not recording. That said, the description of the drone being used in the way it was in the OP's opening post would annoy the hell out of my and would likely attract an expletive or two in his shell like.

Like with all things in life, take others into concertation with your actions.

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I forgot to mention that how do you determine Public Space, the thread started by questioning the use of Drones on a campsite which is in fact the property of say CMC which is members only,private, and therefore not open to the general public not a public place.
 
Two on Tour said:
Sorry , but that is incorrect. I was a CCTV and intruder alarm engineer for 10 years, and if you are an organisation or business and your CCTV will capture images of your customers or the public, then you are obliged by legislation to display signage informing people that you are recording images.
For home CCTV, the same applies if the captured images exceed the grounds boundary of your property. If the captured images are within the boundary of your property, then no signage is require.
As an installer we we legally require to put up signage where require, but it is rare to see signage put up by a DIY-er.

This also applies to doorbell cameras that record and store the images which I would image few know or care about, and I have had nobody complain that their privacy was being invaded by our Ring doorbell recording them, and no I don't have signage up.
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Very interesting Two on Tour.
Am I legally required then to display such a sign as one of my Ring cameras at the front covers part of our neighbours drives and cars, which they all are happy with as its extra security for them.
I am happy to display such a sign, if required, but how big must it be and where does it need to be placed?
Do I also need any form of permission from my neighbours in writing that they are happy with such?
Many Thanks
Iain.👍
 
Captain Yoghurtpot said:
Very interesting Two on Tour.
Am I legally required then to display such a sign as one of my Ring cameras at the front covers part of our neighbours drives and cars, which they all are happy with as its extra security for them.
I am happy to display such a sign, if required, but how big must it be and where does it need to be placed?
Do I also need any form of permission from my neighbours in writing that they are happy with such?
Many Thanks
Iain.👍
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You should have had a sticker with your Ring doorbell

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The in's and out's, but in practice ?

Home CCTV systems

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This BBC Article is at a high level re. drone laws, but (it suggests) adding a camera to a drone makes it eligible for needing a licence. Not just the weight. 🤔
 
kevenh said:
This BBC Article is at a high level re. drone laws, but (it suggests) adding a camera to a drone makes it eligible for needing a licence. Not just the weight. 🤔
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The usual BBC piss poor factual reporting with no substance.

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Two on Tour said:
The usual BBC piss poor factual reporting with no substance.
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🤔dunno. Adding a camera does change requirement to have operator id.
Source CAA here
The distinction between flyer and operator could be clearer for me.

The owner of a drone that uses it is a flyer AND operator. A drone users only using a club’s drone could just be a flyer, right?
Edit: :doh: no, the drone gets the operator details on a label, the flyer is the human…
 
Littlewheels said:
l do not and have not given permission for any and take it as an infringement of my privacy.
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If you are in a public place you do not have such privacy. By definition you are open to public view. Not sure how selling the images on affects all that though?
 
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Littlewheels said:
My point is that the images are often posted on Social Media for financial gain and can be seen by a vast number of people.
l do not and have not given permission for any and take it as an infringement of my privacy.
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I understand your concern but there is no remedy in UK law. Permission is not needed to publish images or video taken from a public place.
 
Quite appropriate this article today

Police to crack down on drones flown dangerously
By Jane Wakefield
Technology reporter
18 June 2021, 01:08 BST

IMAGE SOURCE,GETTY IMAGES
Image caption,
Drones have hugely increased in popularity in recent years with hundreds of thousands now being used by hobbyists and businesses in the UK

Police in the UK are being given new powers to crack down on people flying drones irresponsibly or illegally, with dedicated teams on the lookout for those breaking the rules.

Last week a drone user was fined more than £5,000 for flying illegally over MI6's building in central London.

Police working for Operation Foreverwing can now confiscate drones being flown dangerously.

They will also be able to issue on-the-spot fines.

The Home Office, which worked closely with the police in setting up Operation Foreverwing in March, said that officers will be given "the tools needed to tackle drone misuse".

This will include specialist equipment, vehicles and training.

"This represents a landmark moment for the UK in tackling this new and developing threat," said Shaun Hipgrave, Home Office director responsible for counter-drones.

Under the rules, anyone operating a drone that either weighs 250 grams or more, or one fitted with a camera, has to register with the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). Those with drones weighing more than 250 grams must also pass a test on the CAA website.

"We've had 200,000 registrations since the system was set up in November 2019 but we think that there are many more out there unregistered, potentially tens of thousands," said Jonathan Nicholson, from the CAA.

"Our prime concern is about aviation safety and how aircraft and drones can legally share airspace. So the emphasis is on the drone user, because it is much more likely they will see a helicopter or light aircraft, than the pilot of those will see a drone."

He said that the rules for registered, larger drones were "common sense" and include:

stay well away from aircraft, airports and airfields
don't fly closer than 50m (164ft) to people and don't fly over them
never fly over crowds
keep 150m away from built-up areas
Those flouting the rules face fines, and anyone endangering aircraft could receive a prison sentence of up to five years.

New threat
As well as safety and privacy issues, the police are also concerned about the use of drones for illegal activities such as smuggling drugs into prisons.

Police will be on the lookout for drones, amid some high-profile events happening in the UK, including the current Euro 2020 football competition, and the COP26 climate change conference in Glasgow in November.



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