Drama at Peterborough - underhand indeed!

[johnp10]

Anything you tow behind a vehicle becomes that vehicle's trailer.
The fact that in this case the "trailer" is a car is irrelevant: it's a trailer if towed behind.
The combination of drawing vehicle and towed trailer becoming a Drawbar Combination.
As I understand it, if any trailer is fitted with brakes, they must be working.
All this crap is embodied somewhere within C&U Regs, where is not important, quoting bits just becomes a muscle flexing exercise.

Surely, if this set up is legal in the UK, which it APPEARS to be, that legality crosses over to any EU State.

The Spanish, however, are renowned for doing thing differently, verging on strangely, and not just in the area of road transport.
If they aint having it, is it worth time spent in Jail to (maybe) sort it out?

We can go on for ever on here about this, the only outcome will be a general " in my opinion they are Gits", "It's all wrong", "I should be an exception to all rules", or "remember the Alamo". (Even remembered RV owners there.)

 

[olley]

They just "believe" its a trailer, I believed Pamela Anderson asked me for a date, then I woke up.

Ian

 

[Elvis]

,lol

They just "believe" its a trailer, I believed Pamela Anderson asked me for a date, then I woke up.

Ian

Yes in the same way as you believe that lawyers make and/or change laws We are all hoping you will wake up real soon...

 

[Geo]

They just "believe" its a trailer, I believed Pamela Anderson asked me for a date, then I woke up.

Ian

[HI]In exactly the same way they believe [/HI]the kids toy monkey bikes and little scooters with engines to be a motor vehicle
They will do you for using them on the pavement
what other term would you rather they used, "We Think its a trailer, When you say believe me you are suggesting it is true
I believe ther'e right in deciding and legistating that it IS a trailer, try driving your "Car" with an A frame sticking out and see how far you get with it

 

[Landy lover]

I don't normally get involved with this A frame lark because I know my 5'er a is trailer But I always thought one of the arguments regarding A frames was that it needed brakes on all wheels not just remote operation of the handbrake and it must have the ability to be reversed easily without intervention from any outside source ie people getting out to engage / disengage anything. That does not take into account the drivers ability or inability to reverse as the case may be. With most A frame setups I have seen you have to be pretty cute to reverse them

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[Elvis]

I don't normally get involved with this A frame lark because I know my 5'er a is trailer But I always thought one of the arguments regarding A frames was that it needed brakes on all wheels not just remote operation of the handbrake and it must have the ability to be reversed easily without intervention from any outside source ie people getting out to engage / disengage anything. That does not take into account the drivers ability or inability to reverse as the case may be. With most A frame setups I have seen you have to be pretty cute to reverse them

Hope this helps:

Your towing system must comply with the following, in order to convert your Toad into a UK/EU legal trailer :

The summary of these requirements boil down to the following important points:-

• A trailer under tow, over 750 kg in weight, must have its own brake assistance, which must have at least 50% braking efficiency.
• The trailer under tow should be able to be reversed from the towing vehicle i.e. the Motorhome, without creating a drag; furthermore, such devices used for purpose, must engage and disengage automatically.
• There should be provision to restrain and stop the trailer, in the event of a breakaway from harness.

It is important to note, the article which recently appeared on the:


“UK Motor homes.net”site, dated 24/10/2010:

“The current European type approval legislation for trailers, 71/320/EEC, is due to be rescinded in 2014 and replaced by UN ECE Regulations 13. Part of this regulation (Section 5.2.2.2.) stipulates that inertia braking systems will only be permitted on centre axle trailers. This may mean that it will no longer be possible to use inertia braking systems on A – Frames [mechanical overrun systems] ”.

 

[phil1946]

I do not wish to 'contribute' in any way to the debate about the legality but would point out that reversing a TOAD, as long as the brakes do not come on, is entirely down to the driver's ability and has nothing to do with where the TOAD's front wheels are pointing. 3.5 to 7.5 tons of motorhome and 1 ton of TOAD - it goes where it is pushed!

 

[Geo]

I do not wish to 'contribute' in any way to the debate about the legality but would point out that reversing a TOAD, as long as the brakes do not come on, is entirely down to the driver's ability and has nothing to do with where the TOAD's front wheels are pointing. 3.5 to 7.5 tons of motorhome and 1 ton of TOAD - it goes where it is pushed!

From the owners point of view I think the idea is also to keep it in one piece