Don’t use P&O

[WESTY66]

First two weeks, well it’s actually the last Friday in May we head out. When do you sail.

1st June back on the 25th June

 

[Redken]

Sometimes you have to stand up and be against what is wrong no matter what the consequences. This has the effect of deterring companies from doing things like this but negotiating instead. It also makes you feel a bit better about yourself !

 

[andy63]

Sadly avoiding using p&o isn't going to help people get from cairnryan to Larne and back

use Stena line...they will transport you to Belfast which isn't that far from larne

and while im here reading this thread about the appalling behaviour of a large so called respectable company treating a workforce in that manner im a little surprised that there isn't a bit more support for the views of the op...
we are currently in a crisis of our own making , and finding out we have been going down the road of cheap everything... becoming reliant on foreign goods and energy at the expense of our own industries and now its coming back to bite us in the ass....in hindsight we might have been better investing in our own coal , gas , oil, ship building, and manufacturing base...
I see a comparison here with what p&o are doing... and if thats how the think they can behave I wouldn't use them...
Andy

 

[monzer]

I've no idea what, if any, negotiations have been going on with the staff but it would be interesting to see just exactly what conditions of employment they have.

For example I'm sure I read somewhere that the workers wouldn't accept going off their 7 days on 7 days off rota. That's too cooshty if that's what they were working.

 

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[EuroTrotters]

I will use the Hull route, but not Dover

 

[WESTY66]

Sometimes you have to stand up and be against what is wrong no matter what the consequences. This has the effect of deterring companies from doing things like this but negotiating instead. It also makes you feel a bit better about yourself !

British Gas did the whole firing and rehiring thing, 1000’s of Banks have left the high street, 1000’s of post offices closed. It happens, no it’s not right but it’s the way things are unfolding unfortunately. Anyhow the P&O North Sea routes have been running Filipino crews for over 30 years.

 

[rangi]

You realise this has been going on all over the UK since 2004 when Poland joined the EU , if employers can find someone cheaper they will and it'll never end, less wages = more profits and happy shareholders.

The Squid Fishing Boats off the West Coast of NZ have Ukrainian Crews on a 6 month Contract

 

[Soycd]

Interesting responses. Whilst some might have to change travel plans, let's spare a thought for the 800 folk who have lost their jobs. It's not just that though, it's the sneaky, cowardly way P&O have dealt with it, pretty disgusting.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

WHat good will that do? lose more jobs at port, cafes, trucking,storage, customs, fuel stations, and on and on and on.

Give it three weeks and it will have largely been forgotten

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[DuxDeluxe]

Might be more effective to boycott PO cruises. In reality we need the ferries to compete with other carriers to keep prices down.

Totally different company owned by Carnival Corporation based in Miami and Southampton -the only connection is a slightly different name.

 

[Googlebot]

They did something that is legal in this country. It is allowed to be legal by the Government that the majority voted in. You get what you vote for.

Boycotting P&O won’t be as effective as lobbying the Government to change this appalling practice and make it illegal. Write to your MP, capitalism will only ever operate to just within the law and not within the realms of decency.

My thoughts are with all those affected, what a horrible company.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Naive.
How many goods in the shops have been transported on trucks ferried by P&O?
How many other services have you used where imported cheaper employees have been used.
For example, my ex employer BA, did this fire & rehire months ago.
Zero contracts been happening for years.

Any company cannot sustain £100 million per year losses.

 

[Wack]

Rising fuel prices will have played their part in this happening today , savings have to be made unfortunately if someone can do the job for less.....

 

[phase3begins]

Anyone who is going to punish P&O Ferries by boycotting them had better check almost anything they buy in UK.
The bottom 8 vessels in this list are all freight vessels chartered to P&O that operate several voyages per day bringing stuff to / from UK.
have fun not buying stuff they deliver.

Present fleet[edit]​

Name	Built	Route(s)	Tonnage	Port of Registry	Notes	Image
Pride of Burgundy	March 1993	Dover–Calais	28,138​	Limassol, Cyprus	Laid up in Dunkerque
Pride of Canterbury	December 1991	Dover–Calais	30,365​	Limassol, Cyprus	Rebuilt in her present form in 2003
Pride of Kent	June 1992	Dover–Calais	30,365​	Limassol, Cyprus	Rebuilt in her present form in 2003
Spirit of Britain	June 2010	Dover–Calais	49,000​	Limassol, Cyprus
Spirit of France	January 2012	Dover–Calais	49,000​	Limassol, Cyprus
Pride of Hull	April 2001	Hull–Rotterdam	59,925​	Nassau, Bahamas
Pride of Rotterdam	September 2000	Hull–Rotterdam	59,925​	Rotterdam, Netherlands
European Highlander	June 2002	Cairnryan–Larne	21,188​	Nassau, Bahamas
European Causeway	March 2000	Cairnryan–Larne	20,646​	Nassau, Bahamas
Norbank	October 1993	Liverpool–Dublin	17,464​	Rotterdam, Netherlands
Norbay	March 1994	Liverpool–Dublin	17,464​	Hamilton, Bermuda
Norsky	April 1999	Tilbury–Zeebrugge	19,992​	Helsinki, Finland
Norstream	September 1999	Tilbury–Zeebrugge	19,992​	Helsinki, Finland
Bore Song	July 2011	Middlesbrough–Zeebrugge	25,235​	Helsinki, Finland
Mistral	August 1999	Dublin-Liverpool	10,471​	Helsinki, Finland
Estraden	July 1999	Middlesbrough–Zeebrugge	18,205​	Helsinki, Finland
Wilhelmine	July 2012	Middlesbrough–Rotterdam	16.342​	Malt

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[Rosemary1]

use Stena line...they will transport you to Belfast which isn't that far from larne

and while im here reading this thread about the appalling behaviour of a large so called respectable company treating a workforce in that manner im a little surprised that there isn't a bit more support for the views of the op...
we are currently in a crisis of our own making , and finding out we have been going down the road of cheap everything... becoming reliant on foreign goods and energy at the expense of our own industries and now its coming back to bite us in the ass....in hindsight we might have been better investing in our own coal , gas , oil, ship building, and manufacturing base...
I see a comparison here with what p&o are doing... and if thats how the think they can behave I wouldn't use them...
Andy

Yes - if a ferry could look smug, the Stenaline ferries leaving Cainryan today do

 

[andy63]

Yes - if a ferry could look smug, the Stenaline ferries leaving Cainryan today do

both Stena and p&o carry a fair bit of freight between them over to N Ireland... im wondering how this will effect Stena who I presume are still a decent company paying their staff a living wage.. will it enable P&O to start undercutting Stena on rates on that route... I know both carriers are what id call fairly expensive for normal vehicle traffic on this route .. be interesting to see if P&O cut their rates or maintain their current pricing ..
ill still not use them... even if they do ..but I doubt they will..
Andy

 

[Tombola]

Sometimes you have to stand up and be against what is wrong no matter what the consequences

I keep seeing, wont use them, couldnt use them, shouldnt use them

I guarantee there is a good chance you will if they are cheaper than your other options. And if their salary bill is way less than other firms they may just make the whole industry thinks twice and all prices come down.
minimum wage eh

 

[lorger]

1st June back on the 25th June

I’ll leave a pint behind the bar for you are you still heading to Croatia?

 

[Spriddler]

You realise this has been going on all over the UK since 2004 when Poland joined the EU , if employers can find someone cheaper they will and it'll never end, less wages = more profits and happy shareholders.

And in every consumer market the majority of customers want 'cheap', so quality and profit margins suffer, hence the U.K. is a post-industrial nation whilst China booms and farmers produce milk at a loss.

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Shipping has been moving to foreign flags and crew for the past 50 years to benefit from less stringent regulation and de facto lower costs.

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[Soycd]

I've no idea what, if any, negotiations have been going on with the staff but it would be interesting to see just exactly what conditions of employment they have.

For example I'm sure I read somewhere that the workers wouldn't accept going off their 7 days on 7 days off rota. That's too cooshty if that's what they were working.

Is that fact, or something you 'read'?

 

[Clipgate]

DFDD and Irish ferries are out flagged also, predominantly eastern labour forces on low pay and conditions.
The vote was for Singapore on Thames this is but one manifestation of a race to the bottom.

 

[monzer]

Is that fact, or something you 'read'?

I'm not sure if it's fact, I've not had a chance to study any ex-employees contracts yet.

 

[two]

I'm a tunnel user, and stopped ocean cruising some time ago, so I cannot boycott P&O.
If I was planning to use their ferries, however, I'm not sure that I'd be happy to travel on a ship being crewed by rednecks...

 

[WESTY66]

I’ll leave a pint behind the bar for you are you still heading to Croatia?

That’s still the plan

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[phase3begins]

I'm a tunnel user, and stopped ocean cruising some time ago, so I cannot boycott P&O.
If I was planning to use their ferries, however, I'm not sure that I'd be happy to travel on a ship being crewed by rednecks...

Why would the new crews be rednecks?
noun
DEROGATORY•INFORMAL
plural noun: rednecks

1. a working-class white person from the southern US, especially a politically reactionary one.

 

[Lofty1]

While berthed in uk ports are they not covered by uk employment laws, that it is ileagal to make an employee redundant then replace with another?

 

[big map]

I wonder how many cases of unfair dismissal will be made?

 

[Nothern Soul]

Goverment will do nothing about this because the parent company who owns P&O are the major share holder in the new Freeport’s popping up all over the UK. So in short some Tory MPs are share holders getting back headers from there mates. And don’t care about the redundant crew members. Another great British industry given away.
If we want to go to Europe we will use whatever ferry that’s available unfortunately that’s life.
Any support I can offer to the crews I will but I expect it will not get them their jobs back.

 

[sciac2001]

Might be more effective to boycott PO cruises. In reality we need the ferries to compete with other carriers to keep prices down.

I don’t think that P&O Cruises are owned by the same holding company.
I believe that Carnival USA own the cruising arm of P&O.
I stand to be corrected though.

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