Dog Passport

[Minxy]

Watching Spanish children’s programmes is the way to go if you think about it thats how kids today learn English.

Yup ... but you then don't get to see the lovely border control officers flexing their muscles whilst having a good stab at boxes of pineapples with their big knives!

 

[tomag]

Some interesting answers but they did not answer the question what happens to my dog if i turn up at the foreign port to come home, after I have been away for more than four months

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Some interesting answers but they did not answer the question what happens to my dog if i turn up at the foreign port to come home, after I have been away for more than four months

If you have a UK pet passport up to date then all you would need to get back into the UK would be that plus an updated worming tablet stamp in the passport.the UK issued passport is still ok to get into the UK the AHC is only required for going into the EU

 

[Top Hat]

Some interesting answers but they did not answer the question what happens to my dog if i turn up at the foreign port to come home, after I have been away for more than four months

If your pet passport/AHC is upto date (Rabies/wormimg) your pet will be allowed in.
The question is what happens to you going over the 90 days in 180 day limit.

 

[TerryL]

Thanks,I was just trying to determine if the Spanish/Morrocan customs were as strict as the French at Calais ,not what the actual rules were.

Returning from Morocco into Spain via Tanger-Med, our dog was never checked - the Customs guys even played with him whilst we waited for the X-ray machine. However in 2020 we were forced to return via Ceuta (that's another story - see our Blog) and the Spanish authorities went completely overboard - fortunately everything was in order and we "escaped" just in time.

However my guess is that this will all now change and you should expect a full check. Don't risk it, make sure your paperwork is scrupulously correct - the Spanish & Moroccans love paperwork!

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[Minxy]

Some interesting answers but they did not answer the question what happens to my dog if i turn up at the foreign port to come home, after I have been away for more than four months

I answered that as part of my previous post:

However, if your pet(s) have an EU Pet Passport, issued in Great Britain before 1st January 2021, they will be accepted for entry into the UK.

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[Dilbert]

One of mine has a spanish passport and the other one a french one how does that work? AHC at our local vet £106.50 ( dogs already jabbed and chipped )

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

One of mine has a spanish passport and the other one a french one how does that work? AHC at our local vet £106.50 ( dogs already jabbed and chipped )

So your EU dogs shouldn't need an AHC ,they should be covered by the EU pet passports.
That's how I read the rules.

 

[Phill D]

One of mine has a spanish passport and the other one a french one how does that work? AHC at our local vet £106.50 ( dogs already jabbed and chipped )

was that 106 for the 2 dogs or each please?

 

[marrod23]

I've just been looking at the Eurotunnel site to respond on another thread and it says that a UK issued pet passport will still be able to be used to return to the UK, the AHC is for exiting the UK and also for those who don't have a UK pet passport issued prior to Brexit:

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Documentation​

From 1st January 2021, the UK will be categorised as a Part 2 listed third country under the EU Pet Travel Scheme. This means if your pet(s) have an EU Pet Passport, issued in Great Britain, this will no longer be valid for travel to the EU and you will be required to obtain an Animal Health Certificate (AHC).​

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However, if your pet(s) have an EU Pet Passport, issued in Great Britain before 1st January 2021, they will be accepted for entry into the UK.​

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For animals being prepared in an EU country, you should get an EU Pet Passport.​

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If you are preparing your animal in a non EU Listed or Unlisted Third Country or Territory, you will need to obtain an Official Third Country Veterinary Health Certificate (AHC).​

PET Travel Scheme Compliance Checklist - Eurotunnel Le Shuttle

Thanks Minxy girl that is the most sensible information yet

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[Dilbert]

was that 106 for the 2 dogs or each please?

Per dog I’m afraid.. £106.50 AHC . Mine are Ok as pet passports already

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Per dog I’m afraid.. £106.50 AHC . Mine are Ok as pet passports already

Yours are ok,because they have EU pet passports.

 

[Dilbert]

Bit of a rip off in my book, I feel sorry for those without passports 106 quid per trip wether it’s a week or a 90 day run. To be honest if I had to pay that the van would go sadly 20 pounds each way on euro tunnel times two dogs £282

 

[Phill D]

Bit of a rip off in my book, I feel sorry for those without passports 106 quid per trip wether it’s a week or a 90 day run. To be honest if I had to pay that the van would go sadly 20 pounds each way on euro tunnel times two dogs £282

so did you actually get 2 x AHC for your dogs (I believe not needed as they have EU passports ) or giving us the details of costs at your vet?

 

[Minxy]

Per dog I’m afraid.. £106.50 AHC . Mine are Ok as pet passports already

It shouldn't be as the AHC can have more than one dog on it so only one bit of paperwork to do.

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[Dilbert]

Sorry I’m a bit late replying the 106.50 is on the RVC website the vet told me to look at as they didn’t have any info. Apparently up to 5 dogs on one certificate. But the DEFRA site is not clear. Good job my two have passports already

 

[bobandjanie]

GOV WEBSITE UPDATED
I cannot see that anyone else has put this, apart from me on the workaround thread. Now, I don't know about getting new, proper, EU passports when you are in the EU on a holiday, but but reading the new wording on the government website it is quite clear (if they have the wording correct) that if your pet is in possession of an EU (not UK issued) passport it is valid for travel, no AHC needed.
It makes no mention of where the owner is resident, it makes no mention of dates of issue. I would add though that if your pet has an EU (the current EU countries) passport that to remain valid all entries (from 01/01/2021) must be made by an EU vet in the EU. I read that somewhere and doubt it will have changed.
The website during transition was very if/but but know, remembering who it is aimed at (UK residents) it seems clearer to me.

Taking your pet dog, cat or ferret abroad

Take your pet dog, cat or ferret abroad: getting a pet passport or export health certificate, microchip, vaccinations and tapeworm treatments.

www.gov.uk

Janie

NOTE, the page for entering the UK is currently out of date (it says so) so they will be changing that very soon. Personally as the problem was entering the EU the page for entering the UK will be favourable to UK residents (particularly as if you used an EU passport to leave you will not have an AHC) Crossing fingers.

 

[Minxy]

GOV WEBSITE UPDATED
I cannot see that anyone else has put this, apart from me on the workaround thread. Now, I don't know about getting new, proper, EU passports when you are in the EU on a holiday, but but reading the new wording on the government website it is quite clear (if they have the wording correct) that if your pet is in possession of an EU (not UK issued) passport it is valid for travel, no AHC needed.
It makes no mention of where the owner is resident, it makes no mention of dates of issue. I would add though that if your pet has an EU (the current EU countries) passport that to remain valid all entries (from 01/01/2021) must be made by an EU vet in the EU. I read that somewhere and doubt it will have changed.
The website during transition was very if/but but know, remembering who it is aimed at (UK residents) it seems clearer to me.

Taking your pet dog, cat or ferret abroad

Take your pet dog, cat or ferret abroad: getting a pet passport or export health certificate, microchip, vaccinations and tapeworm treatments.

www.gov.uk

Janie

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NOTE, the page for entering the UK is currently out of date (it says so) so they will be changing that very soon. Personally as the problem was entering the EU the page for entering the UK will be favourable to UK residents (particularly as if you used an EU passport to leave you will not have an AHC) Crossing fingers.

In my post #8 I gave a link to another thread running about this and as I've mentioned on there since Brexit we do NOT yet know if EU vets will still issue an EU PP to a UK resident's pets, or if the UK will recognise if it they obtain one since Brexit.

Could this be a workaround for the EU Pet Passport after 1 Jan 2021?

Have found out that Americans travelling to the EU with their pets can obtain EU Pet Passports for them. I have posted a number of links illustrating this: https://www.travelnuity.com/eu-pet-passport/ https://longhaultrekkers.com/how-to-get-an-eu-pet-passport/...

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

 

[bobandjanie]

In my post #8 I gave a link to another thread running about this and as I've mentioned on there since Brexit we do NOT yet know if EU vets will still issue an EU PP to a UK resident's pets, or if the UK will recognise if it they obtain one since Brexit.

Could this be a workaround for the EU Pet Passport after 1 Jan 2021?

Have found out that Americans travelling to the EU with their pets can obtain EU Pet Passports for them. I have posted a number of links illustrating this: https://www.travelnuity.com/eu-pet-passport/ https://longhaultrekkers.com/how-to-get-an-eu-pet-passport/...

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

Firstly. There is no date of issue for an EU passport mentioned on the updated government website.
Secondly. I can guarantee, rightly or wrongly, a vet in Europe would issue a passport to a dog, no matter who the owner is. As long as they are supplied with the relevant details they need for the legal document.
Thirdly. The updated government website says that the EU passport is a valid alternative for exiting the UK.
Fourthly. I need to add in a moment another link to the gov website. Curiously this is up to date though the links within the original one I added did not take you there. I am sure that will be resolved. Janie

 

[bobandjanie]

Please read the whole thing. Guidance updated December 31st 2020
Read in addition to previous link.

Taking your pet dog, cat or ferret abroad

Take your pet dog, cat or ferret abroad: getting a pet passport or export health certificate, microchip, vaccinations and tapeworm treatments.

www.gov.uk

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[Minxy]

Firstly. There is no date of issue for an EU passport mentioned on the updated government website.

My UK issued ones has an issue date however I am talking about new ones issued since Brexit but this isn't the issue.

Secondly. I can guarantee, rightly or wrongly, a vet in Europe would issue a passport to a dog, no matter who the owner is. As long as they are supplied with the relevant details they need for the legal document.

That's the crux of it ... no-one has proof of this yet ... until someone does it we won't have an answer to this question which is what I've been saying all along.

Thirdly. The updated government website says that the EU passport is a valid alternative for exiting the UK.

Yes I know, however that's been the case since the PP scheme was established in 2003 so it hasn't changed.

Fourthly. I need to add in a moment another link to the gov website. Curiously this is up to date though the links within the original one I added did not take you there. I am sure that will be resolved. Janie

It says the same as others linked documents ... we KNOW that an EU PP is acceptable for returning to the UK, it has never been disputed and will continue for EU residents.

The issue is whether we can still legitimately get a PP in the EU for our UK resident pets and if that will be a recognised legal document for a UK resident pet to return to the UK without an AHC, ie accepted by the border authorities. The last thing I want to have to do is mess about at the port/chunnel etc if they decide that an EU issues passport is not acceptable so until we know for a fact that this is legitimate it is a risk I won't take with my pooches.

We can state it again and again but unless we have confirmation from the UK govt that getting an EU PP for a UK resident dog will still be valid for it to return to the UK now and that an EU vet will still agree to issue one in the first place we are all just 'hoping'. Why not make some enquiries and find out the definitive answer!

 

[missmollie]

I think we really need to contact the EU to ask if a vet in Europe can issue a pet passport to a UK owner and if they can, could it be used to enter the EU from the UK in place of the AHC? Also, contact DEFRA to ask if the EU passport would be acceptable for entry back into the UK.
We are all going around in circles.

 

[bobandjanie]

My UK issued ones has an issue date however I am talking about new ones issued since Brexit but this isn't the issue.

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That's the crux of it ... no-one has proof of this yet ... until someone does it we won't have an answer to this question which is what I've been saying all along.


Yes I know, however that's been the case since the PP scheme was established in 2003 so it hasn't changed.


It says the same as others linked documents ... we KNOW that an EU PP is acceptable for returning to the UK, it has never been disputed and will continue for EU residents.

The issue is whether we can still legitimately get a PP in the EU for our UK resident pets and if that will be a recognised legal document for a UK resident pet to return to the UK without an AHC, ie accepted by the border authorities. The last thing I want to have to do is mess about at the port/chunnel etc if they decide that an EU issues passport is not acceptable so until we know for a fact that this is legitimate it is a risk I won't take with my pooches.

We can state it again and again but unless we have confirmation from the UK govt that getting an EU PP for a UK resident dog will still be valid for it to return to the UK now and that an EU vet will still agree to issue one in the first place we are all just 'hoping'. Why not make some enquiries and find out the definitive answer!

1) They haven't put a date of validity for an EUEU passport. All passports are issued with a date on them but the date on the EUEU passport is irrelevant. Wasn't talking about dates in UK issued passports, though it mentions them, all will be pre 2021.

2) Residency was not one of the questions when Izzy got her Spanish passport. I needed the old UK passport and titer test certificate to transfer details is all. Made it easier.

3) Hasn't changed great, that is the point, things do. Thanks for pointing it out though.

4) Those links are on a UK government website, they mention going to the EU, they mention entering and returning from the EU. I reckon they are directed at UK residents. Not EU residents.

Janie

 

[Helen Ariel]

My UK issued ones has an issue date however I am talking about new ones issued since Brexit but this isn't the issue.

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That's the crux of it ... no-one has proof of this yet ... until someone does it we won't have an answer to this question which is what I've been saying all along.


Yes I know, however that's been the case since the PP scheme was established in 2003 so it hasn't changed.


It says the same as others linked documents ... we KNOW that an EU PP is acceptable for returning to the UK, it has never been disputed and will continue for EU residents.

The issue is whether we can still legitimately get a PP in the EU for our UK resident pets and if that will be a recognised legal document for a UK resident pet to return to the UK without an AHC, ie accepted by the border authorities. The last thing I want to have to do is mess about at the port/chunnel etc if they decide that an EU issues passport is not acceptable so until we know for a fact that this is legitimate it is a risk I won't take with my pooches.

We can state it again and again but unless we have confirmation from the UK govt that getting an EU PP for a UK resident dog will still be valid for it to return to the UK now and that an EU vet will still agree to issue one in the first place we are all just 'hoping'. Why not make some enquiries and find out the definitive answer!

Well we have just phoned a vet in Portugal and they are going to issue us an eu PP tomorrow for 30e and will transfer across the rabies vacc. which has 2 years left to run. We will then see how we get on returning to the UK end of March. I'm willing to try it out and worst case scenario we will have a delay getting back in but we're not on a tight schedule.

 

[Minxy]

1) They haven't put a date of validity for an EUEU passport. All passports are issued with a date on them but the date on the EUEU passport is irrelevant. Wasn't talking about dates in UK issued passports, though it mentions them, all will be pre 2021.

I know ...

2) Residency was not one of the questions when Izzy got her Spanish passport. I needed the old UK passport and titer test certificate to transfer details is all. Made it easier.

It may not have been then as we were in the EU but now it's anyone's guess whether it will be.

3) Hasn't changed great, that is the point, things do. Thanks for pointing it out though.

The only thing that really changed in the past of any note regarding the vac was they removed the need for the titre test which we were happy about.

4) Those links are on a UK government website, they mention going to the EU, they mention entering and returning from the EU. I reckon they are directed at UK residents. Not EU residents.

Maybe ... but I wouldn't risk it without confirmation.

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[Sapper520]

I don’t have a dog, but my son in The Netherlands has two which usually come into the UK with them.

The two dogs have EU Passports, but they are unlikely to be coming into the UK again. Extra expenses, not sure what, will stop them bringing the dogs when they’re allowed to visit us again.

Just a word of caution for those of you applying for an EU Passport, coming back into the UK might incur more expense than you expected.

 

[Minxy]

I don’t have a dog, but my son in The Netherlands has two which usually come into the UK with them.

The two dogs have EU Passports, but they are unlikely to be coming into the UK again. Extra expenses, not sure what, will stop them bringing the dogs when they’re allowed to visit us again.

Just a word of caution for those of you applying for an EU Passport, coming back into the UK might incur more expense than you expected.

Can you find out what the 'extra expenses' are please.

 

[Sapper520]

Can you find out what the 'extra expenses' are please.

The usual worming etc cost them €100 each dog last July (during the time they were able to travel). They’ve been told by their vet, in The Netherlands, that both dogs will also require a blood test (cost unknown at this time) prior to visiting us in the UK.....

They take their dogs everywhere, so for them to say it’s not worth the expense or bother means something. I know nothing about moving pets, just suggesting that owners should but mindful of possible extra expenses.

Our family are UK citizens, but their dogs are EU citizens.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

If they have them wormed other than in the Netherlands it will probably be cheaper, they would still have required to have the dogs wormed prior to brexit.nothing else changes for them coming into the UK if they have an EU passport, titre tests etc are not a UK requirement just proof of rabies jabs etc.

 

[Sapper520]

If they have them wormed other than in the Netherlands it will probably be cheaper, they would still have required to have the dogs wormed prior to brexit.nothing else changes for them coming into the UK if they have an EU passport, titre tests etc are not a UK requirement just proof of rabies jabs etc.

Just passing on what their Dutch vet told them........Maybe they should look for a second opinion?

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