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[GWAYGWAY]

Tax is no problem if a 30 quid onethe BIGproblem must be the MOT and a log trip back to Dover to get one . The trouble with vehicles being re registered is the fiscal problems an CofCompliances etc. Then if going back the other way is more onerous again . So much for the so called EU as these are for all countries

 

[Sundowners]

Plus Portugal impose massive import duty on vehicles-------- although it is illegal within Eu!!

 

[TerryL]

To me the answer is obvious. If you are planning a permanent move then sell your UK vehicle and buy a Portuguese. Even if it's a bit more expensive you'll avoid the financial shenanigans.

Won't you?

 

[Deleted member 57092]

Drive from spain to france, buy a newspaper, take a pic of your car in front of a french town name sign with the newspaper in the windscreen
Drive back to spain ?

 

[Cavs]

This is perhaps a naive question but I genuinely don't know.

Is it the case in Portugal that you have to prove your innocence rather than the prosecutor having to prove your guilt? I know the legal system of Britain is different to continental systems, but I thought 'innocent until proven guilty' was the basis of both. Perhaps I'm the innocent!

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[gus-lopez]

Prove what exactly? With open borders it would be impossible to prove length of stay either way unless someone trawls through any CCTV footage of the crossings for months at a time,highly unlikely.

It is up to you to prove when you left, by what method etc; i.e retain ferry tickets , fuel receipts etc;etc. You should also provide evidence that you have left & returned.
it is for you to prove you have NOT been in the country for 90 consecutive days. The vehicle 183 days do not count . as after 90 consecutive days you as a person become automatically classed as a resident even without applying .( That is basic EU law) Therefore the vehicle becomes illegal as you are now a Permanent portugese ( fill in any EU state) resident & therefore cannot drive a foreign registered vehicle.

Please explain to me how I or anyone else could prove that a vehicle that is legal in the UK and once it has crossed the channel into the Schengen area could prove either way how long it had been in one particular country.

The requirement is that you have to be able. I can prove when I left here where I fill with fuel,eat, etc; all the way to the UK & back. I can tell you what I was doing & where on any day for the last 20 years.

They do it here in Javea, wait at the schools anyone with UK plates they pull, most with children in school have been here too long.

I know of two residents with motorhomes that have received a parking ticket for €300 this morning, for parking for more than two days on a public road without moving.
And No they was not staying in them, they were parked outside their homes.
@gus-lopez
Ours is parked behind our apartment, but our car will be outside on the road, we will see. Bob.

Yes that is the favourite everywhere. If your kids are in school & you are driving a foreign registered vehicle you can't really be on holiday can you ?

& yes I have heard of this '2days ' in same place before but not for motorhomes but cars. Maybe it is a local council ruling but personally I'd actually want to see the actual law. National law takes precedence & you cannot be discriminated against so if car drivers aren't being fined then I'd be making a denuncia at the council.

When we leave the eu you will only have 3 months.

You only have 3 months now consecutively as a person .The vehicle has 183 days & then either has to leave or be sealed (precintado) It is as above. You as a person make the vehicle illegal after 90 consecutive days.

thats weird I thought it was 2 years you had to change your license? but then I thought that having an EU license was exactly that, for all states? Have UKIP lied to me again


just checked it out and it appears there's a difference. between being in the UK and being in Portugal? It's no wonder people get so fed up of the EU, surely the rules should be the same accross the board?






not being critical, just genuinely interested as I can hold a Portuguese passport.

If you took on a Portugese passport the above rules wouldn't apply & you would be expected to have a portugese licence.
In spain the requirement is that , theoretically, once you are a resident you can use the licence until it expires. similar to Portugal. In reality you have 6 months from the date of residency to change it. The EU won't back you either as the main point of the licence address is that you are able to be found, & as such are required to have it registered where you are resident.

What you have to remember is that all these rules were written individually & with no thought as to how they would interact with each other & even less so with how they would work with people who moved from country to country for varying periods of time .

This is perhaps a naive question but I genuinely don't know.

Is it the case in Portugal that you have to prove your innocence rather than the prosecutor having to prove your guilt? I know the legal system of Britain is different to continental systems, but I thought 'innocent until proven guilty' was the basis of both. Perhaps I'm the innocent!

No it is still 'innocent until proven guilty' The only thing is you have to prove you are innocent.

 

[spitfire]

Prove what exactly? With open borders it would be impossible to prove length of stay either way unless someone trawls through any CCTV footage of the crossings for months at a time,highly unlikely.

Because many of the vehicles are on SORN

 

[2657]

Because many of the vehicles are on SORN

I also said this in previous posts

Obviously tax, mot, insurance could be checked, and rightly so, don't know what the customs checks were about though.

Please explain to me how I or anyone else could prove that a vehicle that is legal in the UK and once it has crossed the channel into the Schengen area could prove either way how long it had been in one particular country.

Obviously if vehicles are sorned in the UK or otherwise illegal then they will be discovered in this sort of check, the length of stay in the country then becomes irrelevant, might only have been there a day it would still be illegal.

 

[frogijock]

A vehicle that is in a country other than it's home country must be road legal in it's registered country to be legal in country being visited, at one time lots of British vehicles were being used in Spain without UK road tax but Spanish insurance and ITV (mot)

 

[2657]

A vehicle that is in a country other than it's home country must be road legal in it's registered country to be legal in country being visited, at one time lots of British vehicles were being used in Spain without UK road tax but Spanish insurance and ITV (mot)

How was/is it possible to get a Spanish ITV on a UK registered vehicle?

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[2657]

It is up to you to prove when you left, by what method etc; i.e retain ferry tickets , fuel receipts etc;etc. You should also provide evidence that you have left & returned.
it is for you to prove you have NOT been in the country for 90 consecutive days. The vehicle 183 days do not count . as after 90 consecutive days you as a person become automatically classed as a resident even without applying .( That is basic EU law) Therefore the vehicle becomes illegal as you are now a Permanent portugese ( fill in any EU state) resident & therefore cannot drive a foreign registered vehicle.

So every time a foreign vehicle is stopped for a check in Spain the driver will be asked to prove how long the vehicle has been in the country despite everything being legal otherwise?

 

[frogijock]

How was/is it possible to get a Spanish ITV on a UK registered vehicle?[/QUOTE. ITV is the Spanish equivalent of a U.K. MOT

 

[2657]

Yes, I know what it is but it is only for Spanish registered vehicles unless you know otherwise.

There have been many threads on this forum discussing this.

 

[Yorick]

ITV is the Spanish equivalent of a U.K. MOT

To get an ITV, the vehicle must be matriculated and have Spanish plates.

 

[Pugsy]

You can get an itv test on a uk plated car.
But it has no legality,they will test it for you.
I have done it several times, the idea being you can check it will pass the itv test before you spend the money changing to Spanish plates
It also lets you know if it needs any work done in order to change plates(before your time runs out to change it over)
But its then advisable to use that same itv station during the marticulation process.

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[gus-lopez]

How was/is it possible to get a Spanish ITV on a UK registered vehicle?

As above they will 'itv' anything .You just don't get the sticker for the windscreen.

So every time a foreign vehicle is stopped for a check in Spain the driver will be asked to prove how long the vehicle has been in the country despite everything being legal otherwise?

Not just in spain, any eu state. If they want to yes. It happens in the UK.

 

[2657]

As above they will 'itv' anything .You just don't get the sticker for the windscreen.

So it has no legal validity.

Not just in spain, any eu state. If they want to yes. It happens in the UK.

I am not talking about wanting to or having the power to, do you honestly think that the police are going to hassle temporary visitors by doing this if everything else is in order.

People living in Spain permanently and not doing the necessary paperwork is a different matter and if the police become aware of the situation then they may take action and undoubtedly have.

We have been overwintering in Spain and Portugal for 13 years and have met many people doing the same yet I have never heard of one instance of anyone being asked to provide proof of the length of stay in a country.

 

[Yorick]

You can get an itv test on a uk plated car.
But it has no legality,they will test it for you.
I have done it several times, the idea being you can check it will pass the itv test before you spend the money changing to Spanish plates
It also lets you know if it needs any work done in order to change plates(before your time runs out to change it over)
But its then advisable to use that same itv station during the marticulation process.

It took me a full year to import my bike. It failed on a flat beam headlight. Will be a nightmare to import a camper.

 

[Pugsy]

He just sell it to your brother (wink,wink)and use it when you go home!!

 

[Barclaybasher]

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Unless you are being a PIA (work it out), break the law or have an accident, I can't see any MH getting much attention.

Living there long term in a property, without residency, with a foreign registered car or van in one area will stand out.
The only problem is not knowing if or when you might get pulled, but many still chance it

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[denisejoe]

I thought you had to insure in the country you are in if has been more than one year

 

[tonyidle]

Prove what exactly? With open borders it would be impossible to prove length of stay either way unless someone trawls through any CCTV footage of the crossings for months at a time,highly unlikely.

If ANPR picks it up there's no trawling required.

 

[2657]

If ANPR picks it up there's no trawling required.

Of course every border crossing has ANPR cameras!

 

[gus-lopez]

So it has no legal validity.

No.In fact in one blokes case in Alicante it just confirmed to the GC who had pulled him that he knew he should have an mot.

do you honestly think that the police are going to hassle temporary visitors by doing this if everything else is in order.

I can assure you that next door in Almeria in a preponderantly brit area they specialise in it. One occasion El Teniente decided for some unknown reason that any foreigner with an NIE number was a resident ( you need an nie even as a holiday home owner to purchase) Even after he was told he was wrong by both the mayor & assistant mayor. So he had all his blokes checking anyone they stopped & any with an nie & foreign plates were given re-registration within x days papers. One holiday owner ignored it & was on way back to santander & pulled up north as it was on the system. Car was impounded .

It took me a full year to import my bike. It failed on a flat beam headlight. Will be a nightmare to import a camper.

Depends on region. I was looking at a van on german plates the other day & seller said it wasn't possible to put on sp plates as over 10 years old ( favourite up alicante way for some reason. Which is where he was) No problem down here .
The same as in spain it is not possible to legally register rhdrive commercial vehicles which includes any van based motorhome. Not possible here yet I can go to alicante & fall over them everywhere.

 

[tonyidle]

Of course every border crossing has ANPR cameras!

I'd be very surprised if the important ones didn't.

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[bobandjanie]

Maybe we are unlucky but we are often pulled.
I have been stopped twice in one day. Bob.

 

[bobandjanie]

I know that Spain and England share all the information and work very close together, in the summer english police officers petrol Benidorm working with the Spanish. Bob.

 

[denisejoe]

If It’s more than 6 months in any year the vehicle must be registered in that country even UK

 

[2657]

If It’s more than 6 months in any year the vehicle must be registered in that country even UK

It's a good job that no one seems to enforce that particular piece of legislation, there must be many thousands of motorhomes in the Iberian peninsula from all over Europe that would fall foul of that, 30 or 40 at a guess on our site alone.

 

[Yorick]

It's a good job that no one seems to enforce that particular piece of legislation, there must be many thousands of motorhomes in the Iberian peninsula from all over Europe that would fall foul of that, 30 or 40 at a guess on our site alone.

I don't think campers are the real problem. It's folk moving over there and having a place to live with vehicle there.

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