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[138go]

But it does help



Absolutley agree. I struggle to understand why anyone would be satisfied taking pills each day for the rest of their lives when it's a life style issue that can be fixed.

Mick

The difficulties people face in changing their lifestyles cannot be underestimated. The way you eat and exercise are habits honed over a lifetime and to suddenly change can be a massive challenge for most people.

This is why we’re a nation of unhealthy, overweight, unfit, people in the first place. We all know it’s not healthy to smoke, drink too much alcohol, eat too much of the wrong stuff and not exercise but do we do anything about it?

Mrs QFour

 

[GPW]

The difficulties people face in changing their lifestyles cannot be underestimated.

Their health, their responsibility, their choice.
Ultimately it comes down to personal priorities.

Smoking and alcoholism additions are very difficult - compared to that simply ditching the processed foods and eating real (organically grown) food is pretty simple, as is cutting out sugar. People still give them up.

There are lots of fat unhealthy people who don't and have all types of feeble excuses for their lifestyle which cover one basic fact that shines through all of their words and actions: they are apathetic and lazy.

My experience is that unless someone is prepared to help themselves there's very little you can do for them, plus there's a risk of ending up as an enabler for their vices. I know a couple of barrel shaped people like that, lovely characters but she had hardly even walk now and rests in the car a lot. She simply isn't ready to change and prefers to gradually become disabled than to do something about it: most people are lucky enough to have a choice but are too lazy to take it.

Cars don't run well on the wrong fuel, why do people think they can.

 

[autorouter]

Well there's lots of advice here, all sincerely given from what I can see.
Have you heard of this discovery, that type 1 and type 2 is not the whole story by any means.
https://jdrf.org.uk/news/five-subtypes-type-1-2-diabetes-study-finds/
I'm only posting this so that you know that what works for one person may not work for another person. I am not a medical doctor/professional and have no expertise at all in health matters

 

[Robert Clark]

Professor Tim Noakes is worth listening to regarding reversing diabetes

 

[Simon Select]

Went to Doctors for a review of the drugs I take for my enlarged prostate.Think we will do blood tests to see what your PSA level is.May as well give you a full MOT.So nurse took 3 phials of blood.3 days later get a phone call to say could I make an urgent appointment to see Doctor.Yesterday appointment arrives and I get the news that my PSA level is normal but I have got type 2 Diabetes.Blood sugar twice normal level and that explains lack of energy,aching feet etc.Got to go on diet,get more exercise and go on drugs.Looks like I will have to give up all the Champagne and wine I drink when we go to France.Let alone all the great meals we have out.Can't live on broccoli,spinach etc.Hav'nt been in touch with holiday insurance co yet!but wife has just been diagnosed with irregular heartbeat and with me now being Diabetic I expect premiums will go through the roof.Will not be able to rely on E11 either if Brexit ever happens!!

Don't worry. I am a type 2 diabetic and its perfectly manageable. I still drink. I am extra careful with what I eat. I have also gone from 19 stone to 14 stone in the year I have had it.
I still have chocolate as a treat, but I have severely cut carbs. When the 6 Nations is on. I can still drink and keep up with the best of them.
Remember with Diabetes, its a marathon not a sprint. When I was diagnosed my blood sugar was at a dangerous level. Type 2 can be managed with Metformin although you will have a couple of weeks of getting used to a dodgy tummy.
Whilst bringing it under control I am was on and still on Glicalazide as well. That should change in August as they are hopefully changing my dosage and lowering it all.

I have gone on the basis if I had to pick a desease, Diabetes would be the preference!

Feel free to PM me if you want to chat or want any advise.

Simon

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[tuscancouple]

The difficulties people face in changing their lifestyles cannot be underestimated.

I totally agree with this statement, however unless people try to eat sensibly, cut down on alcohol consumption and DO more exercise then as many people on this thread have already said it's pills, pills, pills!
It's each individuals choice and depends what they're happier doing.

Mick

 

[138go]

Their health, their responsibility, their choice.
Ultimately it comes down to personal priorities.

Smoking and alcoholism additions are very difficult - compared to that simply ditching the processed foods and eating real (organically grown) food is pretty simple, as is cutting out sugar. People still give them up.

There are lots of fat unhealthy people who don't and have all types of feeble excuses for their lifestyle which cover one basic fact that shines through all of their words and actions: they are apathetic and lazy.

My experience is that unless someone is prepared to help themselves there's very little you can do for them, plus there's a risk of ending up as an enabler for their vices. I know a couple of barrel shaped people like that, lovely characters but she had hardly even walk now and rests in the car a lot. She simply isn't ready to change and prefers to gradually become disabled than to do something about it: most people are lucky enough to have a choice but are too lazy to take it.

Cars don't run well on the wrong fuel, why do people think they can.

They don't think they can but making the necessary changes is extremely difficult for most people.

 

[Robert Clark]

They don't think they can but making the necessary changes is extremely difficult for most people.

What evidence do you offer to support that claim?

 

[GPW]

They don't think they can but making the necessary changes is extremely difficult for most people.

While I'm sure you mean well I think that attitude is dangerous and although on the surface seems kind, actually causes more harm than good.

It is simply priorities. I've seen them do it, fat tubs of lard on multiple pills tucking into the 2nd ice cream pudding because 'one more won't make any difference', 'it's my birthday', 'it's only once a year then I'll start my diet' etc.

What IS difficult is asking someone to fight nature, which many diets and all diet foods do. People would be a lot thinner with a decent amount of proper fat and plant oils and none of this diet food rubbish.

Diet food is simply all the flavour and taste without the energy. It's a recent invention designed to fool a body that has evolved over many hundreds of thousands of years to not be fooled. Look at the statistics: Diet food was introduced and now we have a nation of unhealthy fat people. It's not cioncidence, it's like running a diesel car on used engine oil, it looks like it works until all the filters clog up and it dies.
People eat diet food. LOTS of diet food. They spend all day stuffing their faces with diet food as their body commands them that they are missing a whole bunch of stuff their taste buds told them to expect.

We work hard not to offend fat people, sweetly smiling at them as we usher them into an early grave of heart disease, strokes, diabetes etc. Are their superficial feelings of not being called lazy more important than their family's grief when they die?

I'm not so sure, fatness is being normalised and it's killing and disabling an ever growing number of people.

 

[Robert Clark]

While I'm sure you mean well I think that attitude is dangerous and although on the surface seems kind, actually causes more harm than good.

It is simply priorities. I've seen them do it, fat tubs of lard on multiple pills tucking into the 2nd ice cream pudding because 'one more won't make any difference', 'it's my birthday', 'it's only once a year then I'll start my diet' etc.

What IS difficult is asking someone to fight nature, which many diets and all diet foods do. People would be a lot thinner with a decent amount of proper fat and plant oils and none of this diet food rubbish.

Diet food is simply all the flavour and taste without the energy. It's a recent invention designed to fool a body that has evolved over many hundreds of thousands of years to not be fooled. Look at the statistics: Diet food was introduced and now we have a nation of unhealthy fat people. It's not cioncidence, it's like running a diesel car on used engine oil, it looks like it works until all the filters clog up and it dies.
People eat diet food. LOTS of diet food. They spend all day stuffing their faces with diet food as their body commands them that they are missing a whole bunch of stuff their taste buds told them to expect.

We work hard not to offend fat people, sweetly smiling at them as we usher them into an early grave of heart disease, strokes, diabetes etc. Are their superficial feelings of not being called lazy more important than their family's grief when they die?

I'm not so sure, fatness is being normalised and it's killing and disabling an ever growing number of people.

10 Years ago I woukd class myself as a fat and fit person
I ran marathons and ultra marathons, but always struggled with my weight and injury.

My knees were shot despite having surgery
Then I was diagnosed with crhons disease
My weight increased slowly and steadily despite eating a low fat ‘healthy’ diet.

One day I decided that I’d had enough and that if I didn’t take action that something horrible would happen

First thing I tried was 5:2 diet, which worked wonders.

Then I found the Keto diet (I like to call it the original human diet)

After 6 months I’d lost 2 stone and my Crohn’s disease had vanished

I’m now back running, pain free, 3 times a week. I have more energy than I have ever had. And best of all I can eat all the foods I really enjoy ;

Cream
Butter
Fatty belly pork
Bacon
Eggs
Cheese
Pork scratchings
Olive oil
Oily fish
Avocados
Full fat yogurt
Etc

Two lessons I learned

Far makes you full
Fast often as it helps the body to heal itself naturally

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[138go]

What evidence do you offer to support that claim?

I think you only have to look around you to realise that people find changing their behaviour very difficult. We have an obesity epidemic in this country despite there being a wealth of information out there on what constitutes a healthy lifestyle. Patients with serious health conditions are told by their doctors and nurses that they must eat a healthy diet and exercise more. The patient will go away from the surgery knowing that their choices are unhealthy and feel determined to change but their motivation only lasts until teatime. How many people every year make new year's resolutions and fail to keep them? How many people join the gym in January and stop going in February?

The evidence is all around you.

Mrs QFour (Retired nurse)

 

[138go]

While I'm sure you mean well I think that attitude is dangerous and although on the surface seems kind, actually causes more harm than good.

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I don't mean well at all and I'm being realistic, not kind. The facts are, behaviour change is difficult but that fact shouldn't stop us all from trying. If it were easy we wouldn't have smokers, obesity, alcohol related illness, etc. The information about what constitutes a healthy lifestyle is readily available for all. The reality of achieving a healthy lifestyle is difficult for some people. It's habits of a lifetime that make us behave in certain ways and changing those habits poses a real challenge for many people.

Mrs QFour (Retired nurse)

 

[Robert Clark]

I think you only have to look around you to realise that people find changing their behaviour very difficult. We have an obesity epidemic in this country despite there being a wealth of information out there on, what constitutes a healthy lifestyle. Patients with serious health conditions are told by their doctors and nurses that they must eat a healthy diet and exercise more. The patient will go away from the surgery knowing that their choices are unhealthy and feel determined to change but their motivation only lasts until teatime. How many people every year make new year's resolutions and fail to keep them? How many people join the gym in January and stop going in February?

The evidence is all around you.

Mrs QFour (Retired nurse)

The problem as I see it is with the medical profession and their antiquated theories

As Michael Moseley exposd. Doctors get paid to prescribe drugs, not to heal people. They don’t get paid for advising obese diabetics to bin their insulin and eat more fat (and less carbs)

(Cured fat person and Crhons sufferer)

 

[denisejoe]

I have a friend who lost 4 stone and they went from type 1 diabetes and injections to nothing. So things can get better

 

[138go]

I'm not saying change is impossible, I'm saying it's difficult. If for example you look at the five a day campaign. We have all been told for ages that we must eat five portions of fruit and vegetables a day, yet the National Diet and Nutrition Survey shows that 70% of UK adults eat fewer than five portions of fruit and veg a day.

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[Robert Clark]

I'm not saying change is impossible, I'm saying it's difficult. If for example you look at the five a day campaign. We have all been told for ages that we must eat five portions of fruit and vegetables a day, yet the National Diet and Nutrition Survey shows that 70% of UK adults eat fewer than five portions of fruit and veg a day.

I think it’s going to take a generation before people accept and understand that the healthy lifestyle they’ve been told to adopt is what’s slowly killing them.

At some point the government is going to have to admit that they made a mistake and that we should go back to eating what our grandparents ate

 

[pappajohn]

@robrace , bet you wish you'd never mentioned it now.
So much advise, much of it conflicting.
Just listen to your GP and diabetic nurse.

 

[138go]

I have a friend who lost 4 stone and they went from type 1 diabetes and injections to nothing. So things can get better

Type 1 diabetes, unlike type 2, is an autoimmune condition for which there is no known cause or cure. In type 1 diabetes, the insulin producing beta cells in the pancreas are destroyed, preventing the body from being able to produce enough insulin to adequately regulate blood glucose levels.

 

[pappajohn]

I have a friend who lost 4 stone and they went from type 1 diabetes and injections to nothing. So things can get better

As said, type 1 Is for life. Your pancreas has effectively stopped producing insulin and nothing can reverse that.

 

[Robert Clark]

Type 1 diabetes, unlike type 2, is an autoimmune condition for which there is no known cause or cure. In type 1 diabetes, the insulin producing beta cells in the pancreas are destroyed, preventing the body from being able to produce enough insulin to adequately regulate blood glucose levels.

Wonder if the OP mistakenly said type two diabetes ?
How cool is that to be off the meds that the doctors are trying to pump you full of

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[tuscancouple]

I'm not saying change is impossible, I'm saying it's difficult.

I think attitudes to people who are overweight should be similar to the attitudes to people who smoke. They cost the NHS (so that's all of us paying tax) similar amounts. One of my son's is a NHS Physio who tells of additional equipment that is now needed to move these people around, special lifts, wider beds, heavy duty ambulances, special drugs, the list goes on and we all pay for this!

People should be encouraged to change their lifestyle, carrot and stick.

Mick

 

[Robert Clark]

I think attitudes to people who are overweight should be similar to the attitudes to people who smoke. They cost the NHS (so that's all of us paying tax) similar amounts. One of my son's is a NHS Physio who tells of additional equipment that is now needed to move these people around, special lifts, wider beds, heavy duty ambulances, special drugs, the list goes on and we all pay for this!

People should be encouraged to change their lifestyle, carrot and stick.

Mick

That’s the problem with the NHS
Treat the symptoms- such as chronic obesity and diabetes
Whereas they ignore the cause, which is a change in our diet from high fat to high carbs

 

[138go]

I worked as a Health Visitor for many years in the NHS and my job included health promotion, particularly around diet, smoking, alcohol. Cuts in services has resulted in fewer health professionals promoting health. GPs are overworked and it's almost impossible to get an appointment these days. The government regularly introduces changes to the NHS yet, it's known that large organisations require five years to adjust to major changes. The government don't consider this though and subsequent governments use the NHS as a political tool. The NHS is also a victim of its own success. We now have so many more, very expensive interventions available so where does the money go? Who decides?

I think the problems with the NHS are massive but that's a another thread.

 

[Nirvanauk]

The problem as I see it is with the medical profession and their antiquated theories

As Michael Moseley exposd. Doctors get paid to prescribe drugs, not to heal people. They don’t get paid for advising obese diabetics to bin their insulin and eat more fat (and less carbs)

(Cured fat person and Crhons sufferer)

Can you give over knocking the NHS. This is an over worked under funded organisation that does a bloody good job. Back off

 

[Robert Clark]

Can you give over knocking the NHS. This is an over worked under funded organisation that does a bloody good job. Back off

Sorry but the NHS and GP’s in particular are about dishing out drugs - period

If the government and the NHS worked together to fight the diabetes epidemic, then 20% of hospitals beds would be freed up

It’s time to wake up to the obesity and diabetes epidemic in the NHS and stop turning a blind eye

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[Robert Clark]

Can you give over knocking the NHS. This is an over worked under funded organisation that does a bloody good job. Back off

Not knocking the NHS but you can’t sit back and ignore the facts

 

[GPW]

@robrace , bet you wish you'd never mentioned it now.
So much advise, much of it conflicting.
Just listen to your GP and diabetic nurse.

Most GP's know less about diet than my cat.

 

[robrace]

Amazed!56 replies in 24 hours.Many thanks for all the support and interest.It still hasn't sunk in yet that I have Diabetes but now 48 hours into what hopefully will be my new regime.No sugar and first Saturday for years no wine!Had water with my evening meal.Can't see me getting used to it but not drinking any wine till next Doctors visit at least in two weeks time.It;s going to take me ages to digest all the info that I have been given and have signed up for a one day course on living with Diabetes.I am taking one metformin (5oo grm)tablet a day which will step up to two a day then four.Don't like having to take drugs but needs must!Researching what I can and can't eat but its a minefield!Think best thing I can do is make a list of all the things I like then cross off the ones I shouldn't be having!Probably be not much left!!I know that many people who have Diabetes live a "normal"life but just have to watch their diet carefully and that is what I must do.My brother in law had it and he used to eat and drink everything that we would regard as bad for you!He's dead now!Will sort out our insurance when the time comes.We go to France regulary as we have French friends who have a Farm near Reims.We normally drink loads of Champagne when there but will have to have just the odd glass !

 

[Jane And Rog]

Champagne is one of the lowest carb drinks! (Neat spirits being the lowest.)

I’m strongly in favour of reducing carbs, especially those from sugar and flour. I’m stricter when I need to lose weight, and allow a few more starchy veg like carrots when I don’t. Cauliflower and aubergine are great as they take the place of carbier veg really well.

Another maxim I try to live by is the Michael Pollan one, something like “Eat real food. Not too much. Mostly plants”. I actually find vegan salad books a great resource - I make loads of healthy yummy salads and then grill some lamb to go with them

 

[Jane And Rog]

Oh, and good luck! No way would I go back to eating the typical British junk food diet now - I feel so much better on mine.

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