D2, D4 and deflated, I realise this has been covered by numerous threads but..

JockandRita said:
Which is why I have held on to mine, just for ID purposes, as I don't normally carry my driving licence about with me on a daily basis.
If they do call it back, I'll comply. ;)

Cheers,

Jock. :)
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It would be good to keep it until the new one arrives. Just in case we go abroad either in the van or hiring a car/camper. Apparently International Driving permits are not a substitute for a UK driving licence (according to the post office).
 
joe and sue said:
Retaining C1 at age 70 renewal has to be a postal application, which requires human intervention, and there lies the problem.
Anything which is automatic / electronically processed takes no time at all, add in the humans, who all seem to be "working" from home and the problems start.
My application coincided with a change to insulin for my type 2 diabetes, and the resulting medicals, eyetests, questions etc, all done by post, meant that mine took 42 weeks !! the only upside was that I gained 6 months on my licence
I applied in March 2021,
Licence expired end May 2021,
Licence Issued & dated December 2021
6 months free, now i do not need to worry until the end of this season not in May.
Just make sure it is noted as being in their system, so that you can drive your own vehicle under section 88 ( note you cannot drive a hired vehicle, drive a vehicle owned by an employer, or drive abroad under section 88, AND keep copies of all documents / correspondence in a file and carry it with you when driving.
Stay safe out there and happy travels
Joe
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Thanks Joe and Sue (y)
 
joe and sue said:
1 year from Dec, as i am now insulin dependent,
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Thats a bummer ,so come Dec 2022 you will have to reapply again in late Oct to get your licence for another year. :eek:

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Jimbohorlicks said:
Thats a bummer ,so come Dec 2022 you will have to reapply again in late Oct to get your licence for another year. :eek:
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Yes, but that's the consequence of being insulin dependent diabetic.
Just need to go through the renewal process for the first time, after that should be easier
Can anyone tell me if i have to have the full D4 medical every year now. please?>
Joe
 
joe and sue said:
Yes, but that's the consequence of being insulin dependent diabetic.
Just need to go through the renewal process for the first time, after that should be easier
Can anyone tell me if i have to have the full D4 medical every year now. please?>
Joe
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I would suspect so being insulin dependent...................but not certain.

johnandi said:
Apparently International Driving permits are not a substitute for a UK driving licence (according to the post office).
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I never ever thought they were John, ie, if applied for and issued, you still had to carry and produce your UK Driving Licence, if and when required.

Cheers,

Jock. :)
 
I've had my D4 medical today, all good. Now I've got the D46P filled out what next? Do I just send the form plus my drivers licence off to the DVLA and wait? Or do I need any more paperwork?
 
johnandi said:
It would be good to keep it until the new one arrives. Just in case we go abroad either in the van or hiring a car/camper. Apparently International Driving permits are not a substitute for a UK driving licence (according to the post office).
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Hi johnandi how did you fare with your C1?
Did you receive it back ok without any issues?

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Augusta08 said:
I've had my D4 medical today, all good. Now I've got the D46P filled out what next? Do I just send the form plus my drivers licence off to the DVLA and wait? Or do I need any more paperwork?
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Have I missed something? I thought if you want to keep your C1 you still need the D2 form to go with the D4. When I applied just over a year ago the the D46P that they send out automatically didn’t cover the C1 and didn’t need a D4 with it.
 
johnandi said:
Thanks Joe and Sue (y)
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I know it's two months down the line but on your 70th birthday anyone checking your licence on the DVLA site will see that your licence has expired and there are no details there which is why the section 88 only covers you in the UK.
 
johnandi said:
Oh right, that sounds an option and worth a fiver. At least it gives me a licence. Do'u know if they are widely accepted as a substitute for a UK photo licence?
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There is no such thing as an international driving licence! There is an international driving permit which merely extends the validity of your domestic driving licence in situations/countries where the 1991 treaty agreements are not met. It is a bit like having a car with no keys. They only work together.
 
Johnandi said, I've read in the blurb that I need to send in my current photo driving licence with the D2/D4 application. That'll be a nuisance cos I'll probably need it when/if we go abroad before the new licence arrives. Is there a way to retain the old licence anyone know?

I was advised that I could continue to drive in the UK only by my GP ,he said it was a DVLA rule of 88 that he confirmed that I was fit to drive, still took them 4 months to get it back to me,
10 months on I am about to repeat it so I can retain my C1 as our Autotrail Scout is 4250kgs

Medical is on Saturday coming at 11.50 with D4 drivers, feeling fine but obviously will have to wait and see what the docs and DVLA staff say ..
 
tjay said:
Johnandi said, I've read in the blurb that I need to send in my current photo driving licence with the D2/D4 application. That'll be a nuisance cos I'll probably need it when/if we go abroad before the new licence arrives. Is there a way to retain the old licence anyone know?

I was advised that I could continue to drive in the UK only by my GP ,he said it was a DVLA rule of 88 that he confirmed that I was fit to drive, still took them 4 months to get it back to me,
10 months on I am about to repeat it so I can retain my C1 as our Autotrail Scout is 4250kgs

Medical is on Saturday coming at 11.50 with D4 drivers, feeling fine but obviously will have to wait and see what the docs and DVLA staff say ..
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It's not a case of feeling fine,it's your medical history that is taken into account.
Obviously you have to pass the D4 drivers medical but that is really an easy part.
If you have no medical history your C1 should fly through ,but if there is medical history, heart ,diabetes then be prepared for a long haul wait with DVLA and the need to take additional tests ,IE ECG treadmill if heart history.
Best of luck
 
tjay said:
Johnandi said, I've read in the blurb that I need to send in my current photo driving licence with the D2/D4 application. That'll be a nuisance cos I'll probably need it when/if we go abroad before the new licence arrives. Is there a way to retain the old licence anyone know?

I was advised that I could continue to drive in the UK only by my GP ,he said it was a DVLA rule of 88 that he confirmed that I was fit to drive, still took them 4 months to get it back to me,
10 months on I am about to repeat it so I can retain my C1 as our Autotrail Scout is 4250kgs

Medical is on Saturday coming at 11.50 with D4 drivers, feeling fine but obviously will have to wait and see what the docs and DVLA staff say ..
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Do not, under any circumstances send your old licence to DVLA. There are many instances of new licences coming back with groups missing. EG HGV, motorcycle etc. Without your old licence you have no proof that you ever held these groups. I know personally 2 police motorcycle riders that lost their motorcycle entitlement this way and a good few truckers this also happened to. All had to retake their respective tests to get their entitlement back. Just tick the lost licence box then miraculously find said lost licence if your new one comes back missing groups.
 
glenn2926 said:
Do not, under any circumstances send your old licence to DVLA. There are many instances of new licences coming back with groups missing. EG HGV, motorcycle etc. Without your old licence you have no proof that you ever held these groups. I know personally 2 police motorcycle riders that lost their motorcycle entitlement this way and a good few truckers this also happened to. All had to retake their respective tests to get their entitlement back. Just tick the lost licence box then miraculously find said lost licence if your new one comes back missing groups.
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You can print of your licence entitlements which are on the 'https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence' site as long as you do it before your 70th birthday if you havn't had your licence back.

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rb62 said:
You can print of your licence entitlements which are on the 'https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence' site as long as you do it before your 70th birthday if you havn't had your licence back.
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According to the people I know that lost their entitlement the only proof DVLA would accept is the licence itself. No photo copies no printout of entitlements just the licence itself. Apparently the other means of proof can easily be forged. Whereas the licence (think pink plastic card) is much more difficult to forge.
 
Solwaybuggier said:
A bit optimistic about GP doing eye tests? - certainly my GP practice don’t, and I had to do sight test separately at optician. My understanding is that relatively few GP practices do the sight test, although I believe D4Drivers do offer sight tests.
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At my recent D4Drivers phone call, I was told that an opticians visit wasn't necessary and that the doctor would do it.
The Dr. was less than impressed when I told her. Had a face like she was chewing a wasp. After 20mins I realised that her face always looked like that. :rofl:
 
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glenn2926 said:
Do not, under any circumstances send your old licence to DVLA. There are many instances of new licences coming back with groups missing. EG HGV, motorcycle etc. Without your old licence you have no proof that you ever held these groups. I know personally 2 police motorcycle riders that lost their motorcycle entitlement this way and a good few truckers this also happened to. All had to retake their respective tests to get their entitlement back. Just tick the lost licence box then miraculously find said lost licence if your new one comes back missing groups.
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glenn2926 said:
According to the people I know that lost their entitlement the only proof DVLA would accept is the licence itself. No photo copies no printout of entitlements just the licence itself. Apparently the other means of proof can easily be forged. Whereas the licence (think pink plastic card) is much more difficult to forge.
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I too was made aware of the Traffic Officers who lost Motorcycle categories. Even their Chief Constable couldn't influence the situation with DVLA. :mad: I totally agree with Glenns advice, re not sending your licence back.

As an alternative, what I did, was to add a personal signed and dated note with my documents, stating that I needed to keep a hold of my current licence, (still had 3 x months validity), as it was required for my employer's customer security checks, and also for personal car hire whilst visiting mainland Europe. ;) ;)

Good luck with it all tjay. (y)

Cheers,

Jock. :)
 
Hi all
please can anyone answer this question for me?

I’m coming up to 70 and need to renew my licence to retain my C1. I can’t get an appointment with my Gp or d4 drivers before my licence expires!

If I apply for my regular licence online with dvla, can I retrospectively apply for the D4 part when I can get an appointment, or do I have to retrain and do another driving test?
Getting desperate now, so need some good advice!

thanks

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Jugster said:
If I apply for my regular licence online with dvla, can I retrospectively apply for the D4 part when I can get an appointment, or do I have to retrain and do another driving test?
Getting desperate now, so need some good advice!
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As far as I am aware, you retain the category on record, but not on your licence. Once you pass the medical and submit the correct documents (along with your existing licence), your C1 will be reinstated as applied for. It is the same for those who let their HGV/PSV categories lapse, ie, they can reinstate them at a later date, subject to passing the medical. (y)
HTH,

Jock. :)
 
Hi Jock
thanks for the swift reply. That’s comforting to know.

can anyone else verify this, cos if this is correct then I’m much happier than I was and less stressed, I had visions of having to sell my lovely Hymer and downsizing in weight!
 
Yes you can.
You can apply online for your 'ordinary' licence which, anecdotally, will not take long.
When you get the appointment for the quack you can then apply retrospectively for your C1 to be added to your licence.
Two observations.
It is vitally important that, before you send in your expiring licence take a very good copy of both sides of it.
That may help if/when DVLA state that you didn't have C1 status previously.
Be aware that you will not be able to drive a C1 vehicle once you have applied for the 'ordinary' licence. You cannot rely on Section 88 to continue driving a C1 vehicle.
I hope this info. helps
 
Emmit said:
It is vitally important that, before you send in your expiring licence take a very good copy of both sides of it.
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Jugster, or alternatively, knowing about DVLA's record for losing documents, etc, you could do as I did.

JockandRita said:
As an alternative, what I did, was to add a personal signed and dated note with my documents, stating that I needed to keep a hold of my current licence, (still had 3 x months validity), as it was required for my employer's customer security checks, and also for personal car hire whilst visiting mainland Europe. ;) ;)
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As your C1 has already expired, you could use the "car hire" excuse to retain your licence, until the new one arrives, whereupon you are then required to cut the old licence in half, and return it to DVLA.
I've just been through the process in December, to retain my HGV & PSV Class 1 categories

Cheers,

Jock. :)
 
Online licence renewal at 70 without C1 took less than a week for both me & my wife, mine was only 2-3 weeks ago.

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