Consequences of overstaying in the EU

[Pirahna]

With open borders within the Schengen zone how would anyone in authority be able to prove that a certain amount of ‘border hopping’ between countries hadn’t already taken place prior to being stopped?

No idea, mobile phone records maybe? I'll find out how thorough they are in a few months time, probably early May at a French port.

 

[nicholsong]

No idea, mobile phone records maybe? I'll find out how thorough they are in a few months time, probably early May at a French port.

Always use the phone of the EU Citizen.

 

[Garry - June]

With open borders within the Schengen zone how would anyone in authority be able to prove that a certain amount of ‘border hopping’ between countries hadn’t already taken place prior to being stopped?

With my wife on an Eire passport and myself U.K. I have a direct interest in anything like this.

They wouldn't...and this is why this rule has never been applied...even pre Brexit... and its one that you can easily circumnavigate anyway...a day trip out of the particular country to z neighboring one where you put some fuel in the tank and maybe go for something to eat before you return ..keep the receipts and theres your proof you have exited...and you only need to do it for day... when we were sailing American friends of ours used to do the same thing on their US flagged boat every 180 days to avoid the Importation tax rules...

 

[Pirahna]

and you only need to do it for day... when we were sailing American friends of ours used to do the same thing on their US flagged boat every 180 days to avoid the Importation tax rules...

The 90 in 180 rule is fairly standard across the world. If you think a day trip to France resets the clock for Spain for example then think again, it doesn't.

 

[Coolcats]

The 90 in 180 rule is fairly standard across the world. If you think a day trip to France resets the clock for Spain for example then think again, it doesn't.

I think the 90 in 180 day rule is pretty clear, as a young engineer I recall the conversation in which Managers wished Jobs to be undertaken faster and often would try and place more engineers on a job to try and get it completed faster which never worked, it was on several occasions patiently explained it takes a woman 9 months to have a Baby you cant have 9 women and expect a baby in a month. therefore 90 in 180 is what it is, its pretty plain. Most would not try and cheat and overstay in the US so why do it in the EU.

My guess that now we are out of the EU and until we return we have to accept the curbs on our freedom of movement, from what I am reading its like the 5 stages of Grief (loss of the freedom in this case) which is Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.

Not everyone will experience the 5 stages nor is it liner but if we find at our borders being delayed by checks maybe just move straight to Acceptance but there will be some who will be angered etc

I guess we are were we are 90 in 180 and just have to go with the flow and just be kind to those around us particularly the Boarder staff.

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[Charente16]

In the UAE people used to do 'Visa Runs' to Bahrain or Qatar when their ninety day visit visas' expired. Worked there because the three countrys' were not in any kind of Schengen Agreement, certainly won't work hoping over the 'non-existant' Spanish/French border; or any other Schengen member's common border.

Robert

 

[Garry - June]

The 90 in 180 rule is fairly standard across the world. If you think a day trip to France resets the clock for Spain for example then think again, it doesn't.

Who said anything about the 90/180 day rule..totally different thing to what I'm talking about...

 

[Orion]

The 90 in 180 rule is fairly standard across the world. If you think a day trip to France resets the clock for Spain for example then think again, it doesn't.

Aren’t we talking about two different scenarios though? The original OP subject of non-EU passport holders overstaying, and that of spouses/partners travelling with an EU citizen and the liability for tax, vehicle import duty, etc. for overstaying that you raised and which I believe Garry - June was addressing?

EDIT: Beat me to it!

 

[Garry - June]

What i am talking about is standard schengen rules....ones which have always been in place even before Brexit...if you stay in an EU country for more than 90 days you were required to report to the local authorities...after 180 you were supposed to begin the residency procedure for tax, vehicle matriculation licenses etc... nobody including the authorities bothered pre brexit....now things are different... the points above would still be relevant however if travelling with an EU passport holding spouse...this would allow you to spend unlimited time in the EU whilst travelling together....but the time limits above would still technically apply... you would still notbe permitted

Aren’t we talking about two different scenarios though? The original OP subject of non-EU passport holders overstaying, and that of spouses/partners travelling with an EU citizen and the liability for tax, vehicle import duty, etc. for overstaying that you raised and which I believe Garry - June was addressing?

EDIT: Beat me to it!

Absolutely correct...two different things entirely....even if travelling with an EU passport holder you would still not technically be allowed to sit in one country for more than 180 before commencing the residency procedure..

 

[georgio]

Good morning,

Any country whether it is in the EU or not can issue visas for whatever it wants , The europhile president of spain will not do this so as not to upset his masters in Brussels especially Macron. Unfortunatly this impacts on the people of Spain whose livelyhood depends on the tourist industry.

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[P Bentley]

There is a very simple way to avoid overstaying .....

 

[Raul]

There is a very simple way to avoid overstaying .....

Spell the beans please,

 

[LesW]

Spell the beans please,

Err.. Don't overstay?

 

[P Bentley]

Spill the beans please,

LesW has answered. in a much more succinct way however this is the long version of what he has correctly said.

Plan your return journey to give you a few days leeway on the return leg.

I fully understand why people would want to maximise their time out of the UK, and enjoy every hour possible in their chosen destination or tour, but as a direct result of the UK deciding opt out of the EU there are now time restrictions in place, and overstaying ones time limit has consequences.
One must plan accordingly or pay the fine and any other consequences.

To put it another way:-

You are booked on a flight to "fab destination"
On the ticket, and at check-in, they give you clear instructions that the boarding gate will close at 10 mins before departure.
IMO the sensible option is to turn up 10 or 20 mins before the gate closes, but if you become so enthralled with the airport and its many delights, you decide to turn up on the dot of 10 minutes and 30 seconds before departure, but are delayed for any reason (a blow out on your holiday flip flops, the unexpected call of nature etc) and you arrive 9 minutes before departure, you will find the gate is closed.

Woe ensues and the consequences are that you miss your flight, your holiday ruined, tears will flow, teeth will be gnashed, etc and the pleading of "but I was only a minute late" falls on deaf ears.
No "fine" as such, but it will cost you a wad of dosh to rebook etc.

If you are gambling type, or don't mind introducing unnecessary stress to your previously idyllic MH holiday, then leave it till the last minute tio get to the ferry or train back to blighty.
If you prefer a more sedate, stress free MH tour, then give yourself at least 2 to 5 days leeway.

There is no right or wrong way, there is just the way that suits you.

 

[Orion]

If you prefer a more sedate, stress free MH tour, then give yourself at least 2 to 5 days leeway.

There is no right or wrong way, there is just the way that suits you.

There is another way, as I have discovered!

Plan way, way, way ahead (some 49 years in my case) and marry a cailín from the Emerald Isle and hopefully forget about the 90/180 ruling.

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[Brains]

Good morning,

Any country whether it is in the EU or not can issue visas for whatever it wants , The europhile president of spain will not do this so as not to upset his masters in Brussels especially Macron. Unfortunatly this impacts on the people of Spain whose livelyhood depends on the tourist industry.

Errrr, the French are now issuing 6 month visas for UK residents
https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/long-stay-visa-for-france-180-days.258078/

I would expect Spain to follow suit, although it may be a few years off

 

[peterc10]

Errrr, the French are now issuing 6 month visas for UK residents

I would expect Spain to follow suit, although it may be a few years

When and where from can we get these visas please? And on what conditions?

 

[jumar]

Errrr, the French are now issuing 6 month visas for UK residents

I would expect Spain to follow suit, although it may be a few years

Looking forward to the 1st UK Hoop jumping Championship to be held in a French Embassy near you, followed by the much anticipated second round in a Spanish Embassy....Get training now for the Third Country World Games to be held at a nominated Border Crossing in the near future.

 

[Brains]

When and where from can we get these visas please? And on what conditions?

Here you go

 

[P Bentley]

There is another way, as I have discovered!

ha ha I agree, I made sure I had French residency before the catastrophe struck , and can bimble about at my leisure.

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[Puddleduck]

Martin's Great-Grandfather was Irish. He missed out on his Eire passport by a generation!

Mind we've never been resident in Eire or paid tax there so I can't see why we should be entitled to an Irish passport even if we did qualify.

 

[jumar]

ha ha I agree, I made sure I had French residency before the catastrophe struck , and can bimble about at my leisure.

Funny you should mention that...we did too in Spain, back in the day when it cost a mighty 12€ each applicant...I imagine it's a little more now....but don't quote me please...