charging electric car from pitch ?

[minesapint]

At least we know that the Volvo owner is not circumcised, ............................ because you have to be a complete prick to buy a Volvo.

Or an Elddis ??

 

[cantonalegod]

I have absolutely no idea what a 7kw charger means but £10 per hour does sound expensive. One of my work colleagues has a hybrid car and he won’t use it as it’s too expensive.

Let's put it this way, if it's a 7kW charger a unit of electricity is costing £1.43.

Some EV driver on Octopus go at home are paying 5p per unit for a 4 hour period at night.

Normal home rates are probably in the 20p to 30p region since the price rises.

Electricity has gone up a lot lately, but not that much!

 

[glenn2926]

Let's put it this way, if it's a 7kW charger a unit of electricity is costing £1.43.

Some EV driver on Octopus go at home are paying 5p per unit for a 4 hour period at night.

Normal home rates are probably in the 20p to 30p region since the price rises.

Electricity has gone up a lot lately, but not that much!

The unit price is just about the same as a litre of diesel at the moment. My old pickup will do about 7 miles on a litre. Any idea how far an electric car of a similar size to my pickup will travel on 1 unit?

 

[Two on Tour]

Or an Elddis ??

Ooooowh, somebody is owning up to having a Volvo.

 

[Gromett]

In all seriousness, though, campsites will need to deal with the inevitable tsunami of electricity demand that is coming their way. Right now, only a few % of cars are electric and they are underrepresented even in this total as tow cars. However, in a decade or two, there will be few old school diesels and petrols left. If campsites still want business, they're going to have to have a serious thought about providing electric car charging facilities.

Why? They don't provide Petrol or Diesel pumps now?

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[Gromett]

The unit price is just about the same as a litre of diesel at the moment. My old pickup will do about 7 miles on a litre. Any idea how far an electric car of a similar size to my pickup will travel on 1 unit?

An EV will go between 3 and 5 miles on a single unit of electric depending on the car.
A unit of electric can cost as little as 5p overnight with octopus. But average price in UK for day units are 20p now,

So lets say you spend £1.50 for a litre of diesel and get 7 miles. To get the same mileage out of an EV will cost you between 28p and 47p on standard electric or as little as 7p if you charge overnight.

 

[glenn2926]

An EV will go between 3 and 5 miles on a single unit of electric depending on the car.
A unit of electric can cost as little as 5p overnight with octopus. But average price in UK for day units are 20p now,

So lets say you spend £1.50 for a litre of diesel and get 7 miles. To get the same mileage out of an EV will cost you between 28p and 47p on standard electric or as little as 7p if you charge overnight.

Or, using the charge point at college, slightly more expensive to run than my beat up old pickup. It does sound like the third party company that installed it are making quite a lot of money out of it’s users. Not that I’m aware of anyone actually using it yet and no wonder. Cheeky beggars.

 

[RedFrame]

What is needed is a reappraisal of how it all works. I doubt unmetered electricity for £4 a day will last as a concept, with some using 20p to charge batteries and others needing £15 worth to run their car and electric heating all night.

Totally agree.

What about ppl charging their eBikes? What about ppl using more electricity to run their Christmas fairy lights? Where does this end? People complaining because 'next-door' has had three showers today? People will be jumping on forums to complain next ....

I agree, metered supply is the only way to stop people with Fairy lights paying for people with e-transport charging their vehicle batteries...

Cheers
Red.

 

[Tombola]

I don't have any opinion either way but the difference is that the Volvo was plugged into a vacant bollard socket provided for another pitch which hasn't been 'paid for' in the pitch fee

can you be sure about this, he may have booked 2 pitches for this reason, it does happen.

 

[cmcardle75]

Why? They don't provide Petrol or Diesel pumps now?

Because petrol/diesel is a "charge en-route" methodology, whilst electric cars are a "charge at destination" methodology. Campsites are a destination. When petrol/diesel cars are things written about in fairy tales and pointed out excitedly by young children (like they do horse/cart/traction engines), the campsites without charging infrastructure may struggle. Operators of campsites may wish to consider what their future plans are now, not when it is too late.

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[Gromett]

Because petrol/diesel is a "charge en-route" methodology, whilst electric cars are a "charge at destination" methodology. Campsites are a destination

I disagree. both are charge/refill at available sources. Having a destination charger may be desirable but it is not essential. Campsite will continue to get customers without.

 

[cmcardle75]

I disagree. both are charge/refill at available sources. Having a destination charger may be desirable but it is not essential. Campsite will continue to get customers without.

Not essential. However, if I was tugging with an electric car (or chugging with an electric van), availability of a slow charger would be near the top of my wishlist for a campsite. One of the real advantages of electric vehicles is freedom from those horrible petrol stations. I had to sit in one today. I'd forgotten about the stench. And the overpriced tat and commestibles. I'd prefer not to swap with en-route charging stations. Destination charging is far more convenient and could command a premium price, or just be expected.

 

[mikebeaches]

I disagree. both are charge/refill at available sources. Having a destination charger may be desirable but it is not essential. Campsite will continue to get customers without.

Indeed, it's hard to see the whole network of thousands of CLs & CS's installing dedicated ev charge points in the near term.

 

[Gromett]

Not essential. However, if I was tugging with an electric car (or chugging with an electric van), availability of a slow charger would be near the top of my wishlist for a campsite. One of the real advantages of electric vehicles is freedom from those horrible petrol stations. I had to sit in one today. I'd forgotten about the stench. And the overpriced tat and commestibles. I'd prefer not to swap with en-route charging stations. Destination charging is far more convenient and could command a premium price, or just be expected.

Route planning should allow most people to get a fast charge before arriving allowing you to leave the campsite with enough juice to get to another.

But yes, it will be a financial decision and each site will have to look at the cost of installing chargers, how many and how much they need to charge for them. My point was it shouldn't be expected and is not an absolute requirement. Some will, some won't.

I suspect for larger sites a deal with a charging station company will probably be possible where they supply the equipment and install, then take the fees for anyone using them.

 

[Spriddler]

can you be sure about this,

Nope.
I wrote: 'I don't have an opinion either way'. My post wasn't intended to refer specifically to cost but to the difference in available power when plugging an EV into a bollard on an unoccupied pitch rather than plugging it into a socket inside the motorhome. If the m/h is drawing the max current from the bollard it would make sense to plug the EV into another bollard to avoid tripping the supply to the m/h.
Frankly my dear I ...'. .... . ....

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[SpeedyDux]

can you be sure about this, he may have booked 2 pitches for this reason, it does happen.

Neither of the 2 Clubs allows direct charging from the bollard, so that arrangement seems unlikely unless it occurred on a private campsite.

 

[Wabs]

Looking at the current state of charging points in the UK ( that are workin) I would not think about getting an EV,,,just my view obviously.

 

[Wabs]

And by the look of previous post I think it might be overthought,
1/ the bloke is wrong for doing it
2/ he might be paying for it
it just leads to arguments that don’t need to be had for different opinions,,,this is a fun site , not a Willy swinging competition

 

[Kozikot]

And by the look of previous post I think it might be overthought,
1/ the bloke is wrong for doing it
2/ he might be paying for it
it just leads to arguments that don’t need to be had for different opinions,,,this is a fun site , not a Willy swinging competition

Oh ! Lots on here think they have Big Willy's

 

[PP Bear]

And here’s some fluffy ickle Christmas kittens, to try and calm the Fun crew down again.

Merry Christmas Funsters

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[cmcardle75]

Route planning should allow most people to get a fast charge before arriving allowing you to leave the campsite with enough juice to get to another.

But yes, it will be a financial decision and each site will have to look at the cost of installing chargers, how many and how much they need to charge for them. My point was it shouldn't be expected and is not an absolute requirement. Some will, some won't.

I suspect for larger sites a deal with a charging station company will probably be possible where they supply the equipment and install, then take the fees for anyone using them.

It could. But given the choice between sitting on an industrial estate for 45 minutes before arriving (and I'm always cutting it fine as campsites have absurdly early last arrrival times as if they haven't worked out that you've got a 400 mile drive to do and didn't start your journey 20 miles away), and arriving on site and spending those 45 minutes setting up, watching TV, cooking etc. I know which I would choose.

 

[Wabs]

And here’s some fluffy ickle Christmas kittens, to try and calm the Fun crew down again.

Merry Christmas Funsters
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[Lenny HB]

And here’s some fluffy ickle Christmas kittens, to try and calm the Fun crew down again.

Merry Christmas Funsters
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Careful the cruelty to cats snowflakes will be after you.