Caravan and Motorhome Club Price increases

I joined the club thinking of all the nice sites and places to visit to find they are nearly all fully booked and never seem able to book a sites when I want.
I for one will not be renewing my membership next year
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Its the way the Caravan lot work. They go back to the same places year on year and meet the same people doing the same thing. The Club have now made it easier for them to book as they just re-book when they leave 12 months in advance.

As for the Electricity

Perhaps they should reduce the Electricity from 16 amp feed down to 6 amp. That would put a stop to all the Awning Heaters that consume vast quantities of electricity

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scotjimland said:
fact or just your opinion, do you have evidence for this claim ?

The CMC will be paying commercial rate for electricity and other services..

Also, Legislation overseen by OFGEM means that a site owner shouldn't profit from the re-selling of electricity.

are you suggesting they are breaking the law ?
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C'mon how on earth can they not be profiting from electricity?
Fair enough you may get folk who are running a ridiculous amount of stuff while camping but many will not and there's few sites are under £3 per night for electric
And most trip if you try to use a few items at once.

My average monthly bill for electric in the house was £40 per month my mum's is around £30 per month
 
They Probably have put the prices up as they know the uncertainty of brexit means many people will not be traveling to Europe, so like many business (because that’s what they are) will screw as much as possible out of GB citizens as they can possibly make out of the situation.....(n)
 
QFour said:
Its the way the Caravan lot work. They go back to the same places year on year and meet the same people doing the same thing. The Club have now made it easier for them to book as they just re-book when they leave 12 months in advance.

As for the Electricity

Perhaps they should reduce the Electricity from 16 amp feed down to 6 amp. That would put a stop to all the Awning Heaters that consume vast quantities of electricity

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Suits me if they were to reduce the feed down to 6 amp and of course they would reduce the amount they charge for electricity to account for the reduction i.e. more than 50%. ;)
 
Unfortunately there are a few people that wonder why site electricity prices rise , when they feel they have to get their £3 worth by deliberately running 2 fan heaters in their awning over winter.
I guess that's why or one reason anyway that so many indie sites close in the winter months, as sometimes the electrical costs could outweigh any profitability for the owners.
Just a thought.
Les

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Just looked at 3 nights in December ( not Christmas or New Year) and it works out at 16.86 a night for a standard pitch. Same site end of November next year works out at 17.66 a night. 80p increase. However, as said you've got to add membership and spread it over the number of nights you use their sites.
We've recently come back from a site where they had a beautiful pool, gym, bar restaurant and coffee bar, all included in the price, fantastic walking etc, completely refurbished toilets and showers, better than CMC for £15 a night!
CMC do not represent value for money any more. Love some of the Cls but seeing our favourite one has now closed down, probably won't renew next year.
The people that owned the cl told us some years ago that they were told by the club to up their prices as they were taking business away from the club sites! So much for being for the members. Not.
 
Poor hard done by motorhomers :rolleyes:

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We stayed a couple of nights early in November on a C&MC and it was fully booked, about 80 pitches, both nights - not School holidays or weekend.

Whether the rise is justified is debatable but a few quid extra isn't going to worry the vast majority of people who use these sites on a regular basis.

If the 'market' will stand the increase then the Club is the winner and hopefully they will plough much of it back into improving their sites.

But we all have a choice, mine is to go abroad to stay and spend my money there most of the times we go away, and if you don't agree with any increase then you know what to do.

See you in France next year ?

:france: :france: :france: :france:
 
A 16A supply is ~ 3.5 kw

commercial rate for a camping site, estimated at 15p per unit or kWh

if EHU maxed out, for example, a 2kw space heater,+ fridge, + charging and watching TV etc , that is 52.5p per hour .. do the maths for an 16 hour day

I'm a big fan of metered electric.. it's been metered on many Spaish sites for years.. and now on some UK sites..

that's the fair and equitable way
 
vin0114 said:
you won't be able to book much next year till the booking opens after the 5th December so the new prices will be levied. Cl's for us or maybe walk after 28 years:(
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?? You can book tonight for many places cant you.?

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scotjimland said:
fact or just your opinion, do you have evidence for this claim ?

The CMC will be paying commercial rate for electricity and other services..

Also, Legislation overseen by OFGEM means that a site owner shouldn't profit from the re-selling of electricity.

are you suggesting they are breaking the law ?
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As I understand matters commercial electricity costs are cheaper than domestic although if you wish to spent some time on research and prove me wrong be my guest.

I did not and do not suggest the club are breaking the law. What I said was I thought the claim of a 25% increase seemed exaggerated. That was nothing to do with what they charge site users. I doubt the caravan club separate electricity charges per pitch and therefore expect that the OFGEM overseen legislation comes into play.
 
scotjimland said:
wasn't an attack on anyone.. simply saying if you don't like the club, leave it.. camp elsewhere

when a club I have been a member of for many years is attacked I reserve the right to defend it ..

and it certainly sounds like you were moaning about it..
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It’s not what you say but the way you say it.

“let the nay sayers and FLTs park elsewhere .. no one forces you to join..

there are plenty of council carparks and lay-bys ”

An attack , perhaps not. Derisive, some may think so.

Defend the club(of which I have also a member for many years ) if you like.
 
TinaL said:
I clearly remember getting the CMC magazines with "SITE PRICES FROZEN"for 2018, and yet thinking thats cos they will probably rocket next year, and sad to say I was probably right:(
Stayed on our first CMC site this year in Cromer, after the Lincoln Rally, even with over 60 discount (just qualified:)) we paid £46 for two nights. We enjoyed watching the shower room procession starting at 7.15AM, while we used our own facilities, the clubhouse food was pretty average with high prices for chips with everything.
Beer was OK, but nothing going on in the large clubhouse over the weekend, but noted that they are booked solid for Xmas by Sept.
I agree that maybe a CL would be better suited to us in the future, being self sufficient,but I wanted to experience this Peg thing first hand, and see if everything I had read about CMC sites was true or not. I can confirm that the facilities are very good, its just a question of whether you are prepared to pay their now increased fees or not.
The M6 Toll discount finishes this December I think, and you can get a better chunnel discount if you go direct, and you dont have to buy "camping cheques" either to get it.
Membership renewal comes up soon, we will probably hang our spurs up, after we have purchased The ACSI card and book for 2019:)
Les
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Don't think you get an over 60s discount with the CMC.. You do with the C&CC.
 
Khizzie said:
Don't think you get an over 60s discount with the CMC.. You do with the C&CC.
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Oh! Really?, I have disillusioned myself into thinking I was on discount rates then.:eek:
But joining the CCC wouldn't that be seen or construed as Mutiny?:eek:
Thanks for making me aware though, if things get any dearer I will have to flash my blue badge, wonder if that will also be
ignored:D2
Les

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iandsm said:
I started this thread for information really because I think one of the reasons given for the increase, the claim of 25% increase in electricity is exagerated and I doubt that other utility prices have gone up much either. I don't object to an increase in site fees because of the living wage increase but I would think the Club could have absorbed that as it is quite small.

Please don't make this yet another diatribe about FLT's, or the benefits or otherwise of sites. That isn't what the thread is about, its isn't necessary and it certainly isn't fun.:)
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Perhaps you could suggest switching energy companies there by decreasing site fees:devil:
 
Unfortunately we have stay on a few club sites every year visiting family and friends in the UK but have found a few free stopovers for some nights.
I can’t beleive the electricity that is wasted on some of the club sites though. Lights on ehu posts and road lights on all night and people stringing fairy lights around their awnings and leaving awning and other lights on all night.

We were on an independent site (C+MC affiliated) a few weeks ago near Bath. They had solar panels that, according to their notice, supplied 50% of the sites power on the preceding month (Sept) and all lights around the site were motion activated solar spotlights and if you needed to walk around the site when it was dark away from the solar lighting, a torch is cheap.

I don’t see the need for all this wasteful lighting, why can’t people just enjoy the dark.


Oh, almost forgot, we won’t be renewing our C+MC membership next year,it’s just too expensive and getting more so.
 
I still think it’s good value. Prices increased by a couple of quid next year. How long I will remain a member will depend how many times I use their sites this year.
Phil

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Allanm said:
Unfortunately we have stay on a few club sites every year visiting family and friends in the UK but have found a few free stopovers for some nights.
I can’t beleive the electricity that is wasted on some of the club sites though. Lights on ehu posts and road lights on all night and people stringing fairy lights around their awnings and leaving awning and other lights on all night.

We were on an independent site (C+MC affiliated) a few weeks ago near Bath. They had solar panels that, according to their notice, supplied 50% of the sites power on the preceding month (Sept) and all lights around the site were motion activated solar spotlights and if you needed to walk around the site when it was dark away from the solar lighting, a torch is cheap.

I don’t see the need for all this wasteful lighting, why can’t people just enjoy the dark.


Oh, almost forgot, we won’t be renewing our C+MC membership next year,it’s just too expensive and getting more so.
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Less than £1per week.
 
First post so easy with me.
First of all many thanks for all the help you all have unknowingly provided since i signed up many months ago. It has been the best £15 I have ever spent and has saved me money and grief.
In response to the OP price rises have been extracted from here https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...electricity-prices-in-the-non-domestic-sector
Commercial electricity prices
"Between Q2 2017 and Q2 2018, average electricity prices in cash terms excluding CCL in the non-domestic sector rose by 10 per cent. Prices for all the consumer bands increased over the same period, with increases ranging from 7.6 per cent for the Small band to 13 per cent for the Extra Large band. The average electricity prices including the climate change levy increased by 9.8 per cent between Q2 2017 and Q2 2018."
Domestic electricity prices
"Overall the prices paid for all domestic fuels increased by 8.1 per cent between September 2017 and September 2018.
Domestic electricity prices, including VAT, rose by 9.3 per cent between September 2017 and September 2018 while domestic gas prices, including VAT, rose by 5.5 per cent over the same period. "

So it would seen that the C&MC club have been over exaggerating the rises for some reason. One of my pet hates is trying to distort facts to cover shortcomings. My opinion is they are trying to recover costs for fuel usage last year, as it was a cold winter, on the sites that are open all year. The fact is it is cheaper to use lpg for heating, but who is going to burn gas when electric is included in the price
As it has been my first year with a motor-home I have enjoyed using their sites, but they are on the expensive side. I am happy to use on-board facilities and don't need electric (especially in the summer), so they could discount more for the self contained motor-homer.
I got the feeling when using the so called Eco pitches, that some sites considered me as a skinflint.


 
Dave2000 said:
First post so easy with me.
First of all many thanks for all the help you all have unknowingly provided since i signed up many months ago. It has been the best £15 I have ever spent and has saved me money and grief.
In response to the OP price rises have been extracted from here https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...electricity-prices-in-the-non-domestic-sector
Commercial electricity prices
"Between Q2 2017 and Q2 2018, average electricity prices in cash terms excluding CCL in the non-domestic sector rose by 10 per cent. Prices for all the consumer bands increased over the same period, with increases ranging from 7.6 per cent for the Small band to 13 per cent for the Extra Large band. The average electricity prices including the climate change levy increased by 9.8 per cent between Q2 2017 and Q2 2018."
Domestic electricity prices
"Overall the prices paid for all domestic fuels increased by 8.1 per cent between September 2017 and September 2018.
Domestic electricity prices, including VAT, rose by 9.3 per cent between September 2017 and September 2018 while domestic gas prices, including VAT, rose by 5.5 per cent over the same period. "

So it would seen that the C&MC club have been over exaggerating the rises for some reason. One of my pet hates is trying to distort facts to cover shortcomings. My opinion is they are trying to recover costs for fuel usage last year, as it was a cold winter, on the sites that are open all year. The fact is it is cheaper to use lpg for heating, but who is going to burn gas when electric is included in the price
As it has been my first year with a motor-home I have enjoyed using their sites, but they are on the expensive side. I am happy to use on-board facilities and don't need electric (especially in the summer), so they could discount more for the self contained motor-homer.
I got the feeling when using the so called Eco pitches, that some sites considered me as a skinflint.
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Thanks for a good reply. I have often wondered why they don’t charge a reduced rate for people who do not use all the facilities.some people don’t use the toilet blocks so they could benefit by a reduction while those that do could be given a key on booking in. I don’t that would happen because they don’t just want to sell pitches, they want to sell them at the highest price they can achieve.

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iandsm said:
Thanks for a good reply. I have often wondered why they don’t charge a reduced rate for people who do not use all the facilities.some people don’t use the toilet blocks so they could benefit by a reduction while those that do could be given a key on booking in. I don’t that would happen because they don’t just want to sell pitches, they want to sell them at the highest price they can achieve.
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We stay on CMC sites. The current inclusive pitch fee system provides no incentive for members to reduce energy consumption. Quite the opposite. EHU isn't metered so I don't blame others for making full use of it to get their money's worth. They probably need the full 16 amp EHU for running their heating system and boiler, dual fuel hob, plus a heater inside the awning, coffee maker, kettle, toaster, TVs, hairdryer plus fairy lights and gadgets galore; the inclusive fee is designed for them so they should be willing to pay the increase.

Our typical electricity consumption on site is probably more frugal than for comparable CMC members, because we don't watch TV, and our heating and hot water runs off diesel so we only need EHU to keep the batteries charged for the lights and fridge. One 230v socket is needed for a low wattage kettle. I don't know exactly how many Kwh we consume in a day but A 6 amp EHU should be enough for us, as well as potentially cheaper. That option isn't available. We effectively subsidise the high energy consumption members.
 
On our six month road trip of the USA we are shocked at the awfull condition of most RV sites,poor locations and very overpriced.We avoid them like the plague.
It makes us realise how the two clubs sites are five stars compared to here and a lot of Europe.
We only use the cl sites but may treat ourselves occasionally to a prim and proper site on our return.IF we can get in anywhere!
 
mojo said:
On our six month road trip of the USA we are shocked at the awfull condition of most RV sites,poor locations and very overpriced.We avoid them like the plague.
It makes us realise how the two clubs sites are five stars compared to here and a lot of Europe.
We only use the cl sites but may treat ourselves occasionally to a prim and proper site on our return.IF we can get in anywhere!
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I would tend to agree in general terms, We found that outside of the (Expnsive) KOA`s the quality was mostly very "Rural" and nearly all where near the Railway Tracks!, You got used to hearing long Freight Trains clumping along in the early hours many almost a mile long!. The biggest advantage was the almost universal "on pitch" Black dump!. We took advantage of the BLM and and State Parks, also Passport America, which gave up to 50% discounts for non peak stays as well as a LOT of Free Wild Camping, Indian Casino`s some with free electric! and C/W the Walmart Overnights!. We also found that some "historic" sites would allow you to stay over too. It was the freedom to roam we loved most.
 
Must be doing something right... (y)

News item>
Caravan and Motorhome Club sees increase in campervan members

The Caravan and Motorhome Club is seeing a significant increase in the number of campervanners becoming members. It reports that it now has 30,000 campervanning members.

The Club’s Marketing Director, Harvey Alexander, believes it’s the spontaneous nature of campervanning that has seen the Club witness a surge in bookings during the winter months, with more and more of its members preferring to enjoy shorter breaks at home rather than heading off for some winter sun. He says this spontaneity is typical of campervanners.

“They don’t like to plan, they just jump in and head off wherever the mood takes them,” he says. “Last winter was our best-ever for winter sites booking.” The Club has responded by extending the seasonal opening times of many of it sites so that members can enjoy more of its sites over the winter period.

The club has also invested £14 million this year in campsite renovations; adding more hard-standing pitches and more electric hook-ups for the benefit and comfort of its winter motorhomers and campervanners!

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