Caravan and motorhome club - electric bikes

[thebriars]

Not an electric car

A Mitsubishi PHEV IS an electric car. Its propulsion system is via electric motors at low to medium speeds, it is only at higher speeds that the petrol engine also engages with the drive train, otherwise it is used to top up the charge in the batteries.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

PHEV is not an Electric Car, it is a Hybrid petrol-electric
But no matter

 

[Hymer 1961]

Having purchased 2 Cube electric bikes last year at Rutland Cycling while enjoying a lovely stay at Ferry Meadows, I for one will continue to apply a common sense approach while to-ing and fro-ing around club sites. I cannot see a difference between cycling an electric assist and normal pedal bike providing we all keep to the speed limit.

Furthermore I do think there is a little confusion to the power train on electric bikes.

In order to use the electric assist you must first pedal, the power is not delivered independently. We have the following modes - Off setting - you can use the bike without any assist like a normal bike. Eco - gives you a tiny amount of help, Tour - slight increase, Sport - more power and finally Turbo. Sport and Turbo are only really ever used for climbing steep hills. The only exception to independent power is when the bike is in Walk Mode - which enables an electric assist when walking your bike up a ramp or hill without cycling.

 

[Minxy]

Furthermore I do think there is a little confusion to the power train on electric bikes.

In order to use the electric assist you must first pedal, the power is not delivered independently.

That is true of UK spec new ones, but some bought abroad and older ones which were sold in the UK can be used without pedalling, so it depends which one you have.

 

[thebriars]

That is true of UK spec new ones, but some bought abroad and older ones which were sold in the UK can be used without pedalling, so it depends which one you have.

This is not exactly true. We have recently bought Wisper electric bikes and they have a throttle on them so you can go at up to 4mph without pedalling.

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[Minxy]

This is not exactly true. We have recently bought Wisper electric bikes and they have a throttle on them so you can go at up to 4mph without pedalling.

Hymer 1961 had already mentioned the 'walking mode', I was talking about being able to use them when riding at normal speed without pedalling.

 

[Blackadder]

That is true of UK spec new ones, but some bought abroad and older ones which were sold in the UK can be used without pedalling, so it depends which one you have.

If the electric motor can be used without pedalling (with the exception of the "walk" mode mentioned above) or if the motor does not cease to operate above ~15mph then they are illegal unless registered as a powered 2-wheeler, taxed and insured - and MOT'd if more than 3 years old. I imagine they would be exactly the kind of vehicle that the club would object to - quite properly imho.

 

[EuroTrotters]

You cannot ride any type of bike at Newark

 

[Minxy]

If the electric motor can be used without pedalling (with the exception of the "walk" mode mentioned above) or if the motor does not cease to operate above ~15mph then they are illegal unless registered as a powered 2-wheeler, taxed and insured - and MOT'd if more than 3 years old. I imagine they would be exactly the kind of vehicle that the club would object to - quite properly imho.

No argument with that. My comment of 'can be used' was in relation to being able to physically ride the bike above 'walking' pace by using the throttle only, NOT the legality of doing so. Although the maximum power output in the UK is set at 250w, for use abroad I believe it may be 200w ... so gets even more complicated! It was all discussed on this forum some time ago but as I don't have an electric bike now I haven't bothered keeping up with discussions about them.

 

[davidathomas42]

Just on one of our extremely rare visits to a C&M Club site and told electric bikes are not allowed! They take a commonsense view and ignore it but apparently its true.

This is from the Rules at 13(b)
"For the safety and consideration of others, we don't allow the use of petrol or electrical recreational ride-on equipment."

Only need a warden who has got out of bed the wrong side......

Anyone else come across this?

You don't have an electric bike.

You have an electrically assisted bike.

As its fully usable as a regular bike then it can't be classed as electric vehicle or it would require tax insurance and MOT etc.

Ride on and tell anyone who queries it that above statement while shaking your head at how dull their life must be to bring it up.

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[Ian1801]

What has it got to do with the wardens , I put two e kits onto our bikes with adjustable power that can be altered for off road riding and 250 watts for the road , I also ride it with out any assistance at all. so the motor is turned off !

Just keep the speed down when you are on sites.

I’m a keen cyclist had mtb and road bikes for years , I snapped my knee last year windsurfing .

This kit has help me with my rehabilitation and get biking again .

So don’t be put off by any wardens e bike can help you get out and about .

Ian

 

[tonyidle]

If the electric motor can be used without pedalling

Those built / bought before that legislation can still be used. Actually probably any can still be used - I can't believe it's being policed and I don't believe many Police Officers know about or are are interested in electric bicycles being ridden safely. So my five year old conversion's OK then .

 

[Khizzie]

What has it got to do with the wardens , I put two e kits onto our bikes with adjustable power that can be altered for off road riding and 250 watts for the road , I also ride it with out any assistance at all. so the motor is turned off !

Just keep the speed down when you are on sites.

I’m a keen cyclist had mtb and road bikes for years , I snapped my knee last year windsurfing .

This kit has help me with my rehabilitation and get biking again .

So don’t be put off by any wardens e bike can help you get out and about .

Ian View attachment 294906

I hear where you're coming from wthe the knee injury But why do you need to cycle on sites? Most pitches are only a couple hundreds yard from the exit/entrance... Then you can pedal your hearts out with no fear of nasty warden with a whip screaming out of the office to bawl you out in front of the kids racing around on their electric scooters. Lol lol lol

 

[Ian1801]

When i 1 st injured my knee , I struggle to walk 30 yards but biking was ok , but why would I walk with my bike when I can bike at walking pace on the road ??? And what’s the difference from driving a car or Motorhome around the camp site , next thing we will have to push our motorhome around the site to get more water , only joking but its all a bit silly really.

 

[Mikey RV]

E bikes are not a problem on club sites, as long as the 5mph speed limit is kept to. And that is there for good reason and not only on club sites.

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[2x2camper]

Why 5mph?. Do cars or motorhomes travel at 5mph? I am sure they will cause more damage if they hit something or someone.

 

[Tony50]

I must admit some of the Uk club rules are over the top, so it was nice to have 8 weeks in Spain ,where we used Aires and sites, we hung up linen lines between the trees and only on 1 Commercial Aire did we get , which is fair enough , asked to remove line, as regards to lines I think the Spanish take the view they are no danger to any one except to those that don't look where they are going.
The only other Rule we rarely encountered was don't put the used toilet paper down the Loo !! otherwise very relaxed sites.
Tony A

 

[Hymer 1961]

Why are eBikes getting singled out? What’s the difference between getting run over by a fat bloke on an eBike and a fat bloke on a non assisted bike? I guess the same, so let’s ban all bikes and be done with it.

Why would I have to walk my eBike to and from the site entrance. I have somehow managed to navigate my way back safely from my bike ride without incident and yet somehow are an imminent danger to all around me on a camp site.
Since when have eBikes become the enemy. God help us all in the future when Motorhomes become electric.

 

[Margaritaman]

One of these (or similar) is used by wardens at York Rowntree Park CMC Site.

 

[Mikey RV]

Why 5mph?. Do cars or motorhomes travel at 5mph? I am sure they will cause more damage if they hit something or someone.

Because campsites have kids running around on them, they are on holiday, they done think, they could run out from behind a caravan or motorhome or out an awning onto the roads. If a car or motorhome is driving like it’s on the road more than 5mph that kid has no chance. Quite simple really. Ask your self if you killed a kid because you were doing more than 5mph. How would you feel.

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[Khizzie]

Why 5mph?. Do cars or motorhomes travel at 5mph? I am sure they will cause more damage if they hit something or someone.

From what I have seen on sites, many adult cyclists seem to think they are on a sustrans cycleway and forget there are children at play . After all many families are there so their children can have the freedom of running around.. I know the majority of cyclists are sensible but as usual it's the minority that cause rules to be made..

 

[Ian1801]

So do we ban the wardens too from biking around I have seen them on normal bikes and e bikes bring on the revolution lol

 

[Hymer 1961]

Why don’t we all just proceed with due care and attention applying common sense and respect to our neighbours. I for one will not be wearing Lycra and keeping up with the peloton whilst enjoying my eBike.

 

[2x2camper]

@Khizzle @Mikey RV

Think both of you miss my point. Don't disagree with the limit just I am yet to see a motor vehicle drive at that speed.

Funny how people get worked up at the speed cycles go but don't bat an eyelid at motor vehicles.

Most people don't cycle any faster that 10 mph yet must motor vehicles will be over that speed.

 

[Khizzie]

Why don’t we all just proceed with due care and attention applying common sense and respect to our neighbours. I for one will not be wearing Lycra and keeping up with the peloton whilst enjoying my eBike.

Absolutely...

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[bigfoot]

Not only me...
I have rarely had the misfortune to deal with such a god awful bunch of willy waving wanna be dictators and KAKFA people in all my life !

The so called friendly club is more dictatorial. I cancelled my membership after 28 years membership all due to a warden whos actions casxt me money and a membership department that was more concerned about covering their spinenless backs!

 

[HandyAndy]

Cant tow with either of these

No issue then

Incorrect.
Can pull 2.2 Tons with a Model X.
It even has a tow mode in the software to measure sway and adjust the wheel speed and braking so you can't do something stupid and get into an accident.

 

[Paulypaul]

Power off....it's a normal bike not being propelled by anything other than your legs. Can't see how any jobsworth would complain about that.

 

[JaG]

Not only me...
I have rarely had the misfortune to deal with such a god awful bunch of willy waving wanna be dictators and KAKFA people in all my life !

Spot on John.
I joined them in 1978, and even then they hated kids on site. I went on a rally and was put right at the back because my old caravan was not in keeping with the snotty nosed poshies at the front. Needless to say, we never rejoined.

 

[Apache]

It’s ok having a 5 mph speed limit but it’s like everywhere else , nobody takes any notice in their cars or motorhomes on sites so can’t see electric bikes being much of a problem .
By the way , we use CAMC sites all the time and find them ok on the whole. You do get the odd warden who is a bit officious but that’s their problem not mine . I do think some of their policies are a bit too PC though , like removing mops from the showers and closing both shower blocks at the same time instead of staggering them .

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