Can I park a Motorhome on my drive?

[IanW18]

Before purchasing a motorhome, I have been reviewing the lease agreement for my property. I'm not seeking legal advice, just guidance if you have encountered a similar clause.:

With the object and intent of achieving uniformity of siting design and external appearance on the Estate not to erect or maintain or suffer to be erected or maintained on such part of the Property as is situate between the front and any side building line of the said dwellinghouse and the abutting road or roads any building erection or structure whatsoever whether movable or immovable (other than a porch of and to the said dwellinghouse which shall not protrude more than four feet in front of the said building line) or any gate gatepost wall fence hedge or other partition (particularly not to park any caravan or other house on wheels or movable dwelling or boat either thereon or on the footpath or driveway to the dwellinghouse) and such part of the Property shall at all times during the Term be left open and unbuilt upon and laid out as a garden (but predominantly as a lawn) and kept in a neat and tidy condition and free from...

Does this appear unlikely I can park a motorhome on our drive?

 

[Simonjdcooper]

Before purchasing a motorhome, I have been reviewing the lease agreement for my property. I'm not seeking legal advice, just guidance if you have encountered a similar clause.:

With the object and intent of achieving uniformity of siting design and external appearance on the Estate not to erect or maintain or suffer to be erected or maintained on such part of the Property as is situate between the front and any side building line of the said dwellinghouse and the abutting road or roads any building erection or structure whatsoever whether movable or immovable (other than a porch of and to the said dwellinghouse which shall not protrude more than four feet in front of the said building line) or any gate gatepost wall fence hedge or other partition (particularly not to park any caravan or other house on wheels or movable dwelling or boat either thereon or on the footpath or driveway to the dwellinghouse) and such part of the Property shall at all times during the Term be left open and unbuilt upon and laid out as a garden (but predominantly as a lawn) and kept in a neat and tidy condition and free from...

Does this appear unlikely I can park a motorhome on our drive?

is a motorhome a house on wheels, or a loveable dwelling. Likely not as its a vehicle and self powered. Worth checking with the estate manager what comes under those categories rather than asking if a motorhome does. Ultimately it's a legal agreement the court would decide. There may be precedent on the matter...

 

[VXman]

The estate was built on the cusp of 80s/90s.

Speaking with the neighbours is a good shout. We are hiring a motorhome at the end of May, so I'll raise the topic beforehand.

I'd be surprised if anyone cares or is even aware 40 years later.

Ours has a clause that says no TV airels on the roofs or satilitte dishes. This is because in the 80's Milton Keynes had cable TV and all new houses were equipped.

When satalities TV were popular no one took any notice and plenty of people still have TV airels.

Things change as time moves on and clauses like these get forgotten. It would take a very annoyed and clued up neighbours to cause a problem.

 

[Pausim]

I'd be surprised if anyone cares or is even aware 40 years later.

Ours has a clause that says no TV airels on the roofs or satilitte dishes. This is because in the 80's Milton Keynes had cable TV and all new houses were equipped.

When satalities TV were popular no one took any notice and plenty of people still have TV airels.

Things change as time moves on and clauses like these get forgotten. It would take a very annoyed and clued up neighbours to cause a problem.

I wouldn’t rely on people forgetting and ignoring. I spent a large part of my working life managing estates and people are very capable of remembering their rights for eternity. Neither would I rely on getting honest opinions from neighbours, they will often say one thing to your face before talking it over with others and then getting fired up. On average people in the UK move every 19 years so the probability is that at least one neighbour will have moved in recently and had the obligations and benefits of the covenants drawn to their attention.

 

[our poppy llll]

Personally, I would buy the Moho, park it on my drive, be as discrete as possible so that it does not interfere with neighbours views or outlook, make sure i found a local storage depot and see what happens, if I got complaints, I’d let them go as far as getting solicitors involved, this will cost them money, before it starts to cost, I’d move it into storage. After 12 months I’d bring it back, then if once again I gotcomplaints via a solicitor, I would keep it in store. I would always respond to solicitors, that I keep it in storage until I decide to go on holiday, then i bring it to my property to load it up. Charge it up, put water and gas in it ready to depart. Each letter costs £3-400, the complainant will soon tire of paying out so much money and would let it drop, if they didn’t then I’d just have to use a local storage facility.

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[Pausim]

Personally, I would buy the Moho, park it on my drive, be as discrete as possible so that it does not interfere with neighbours views or outlook, make sure i found a local storage depot and see what happens, if I got complaints, I’d let them go as far as getting solicitors involved, this will cost them money, before it starts to cost, I’d move it into storage. After 12 months I’d bring it back, then if once again I gotcomplaints via a solicitor, I would keep it in store. I would always respond to solicitors, that I keep it in storage until I decide to go on holiday, then i bring it to my property to load it up. Charge it up, put water and gas in it ready to depart. Each letter costs £3-400, the complainant will soon tire of paying out so much money and would let it drop, if they didn’t then I’d just have to use a local storage facility.

Sounds like a great way to become the local social outcast. Also as it is a lease the neighbours don’t need to incur any legal costs, they just have to ask the lessor to enforce the covenants.

 

[Brains]

Personally, I would buy the Moho, park it on my drive, be as discrete as possible so that it does not interfere with neighbours views or outlook, make sure i found a local storage depot and see what happens, if I got complaints, I’d let them go as far as getting solicitors involved, this will cost them money, before it starts to cost, I’d move it into storage. After 12 months I’d bring it back, then if once again I gotcomplaints via a solicitor, I would keep it in store. I would always respond to solicitors, that I keep it in storage until I decide to go on holiday, then i bring it to my property to load it up. Charge it up, put water and gas in it ready to depart. Each letter costs £3-400, the complainant will soon tire of paying out so much money and would let it drop, if they didn’t then I’d just have to use a local storage facility.

How to win friends and influence people!
Remember these are your neighbours.

They can retaliate at their leisure, from little things like not taking in your parcels, not putting your bins in when you go on holiday, not dealing with overhanging foliage and always the old one of leaving the music on loud when they leave the house.

As a post above said in the UK people stay in a house for an average of 19 years, and many stay decades longer.
(We are the third occupants of our house in the last 100 years, we are still 'the new people' having only been here 35 years)

 

[bombero2011]

Before purchasing a motorhome, I have been reviewing the lease agreement for my property. I'm not seeking legal advice, just guidance if you have encountered a similar clause.:

With the object and intent of achieving uniformity of siting design and external appearance on the Estate not to erect or maintain or suffer to be erected or maintained on such part of the Property as is situate between the front and any side building line of the said dwellinghouse and the abutting road or roads any building erection or structure whatsoever whether movable or immovable (other than a porch of and to the said dwellinghouse which shall not protrude more than four feet in front of the said building line) or any gate gatepost wall fence hedge or other partition (particularly not to park any caravan or other house on wheels or movable dwelling or boat either thereon or on the footpath or driveway to the dwellinghouse) and such part of the Property shall at all times during the Term be left open and unbuilt upon and laid out as a garden (but predominantly as a lawn) and kept in a neat and tidy condition and free from...

Does this appear unlikely I can park a motorhome on our drive?

Hi, I know for a fact that on our estate the caveat for land leasehold they are not allowed to park caravans or motorhomes as you explained.
Many property owners have bought the lease, which releases them from these restrictions.

 

[IanW18]

Thank you for a making this a lively topic!
There is only enough room beside the house to hide a metre or so.
There are two work vans on the street, but they are parked on the road.
We plan to hire different sized MoHos this year and then think about our options. In the meantime I've found a few storage locations within a 20 minute drive so there are options.

 

[tonysuvla]

We have covenants covering our estate which bans motorhomes, caravans or tents but our residents association doesn’t complain if it’s only there for a few days before or after a trip.
The covenant was put in by the estates original owner to prevent it becoming a holiday park (of which there are a few in the area.)

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[sedge]

One of the houses I bought in Cornwall had a covenant that the original landowner, and all their successors, retained the right to mine on the land at any time.

Our house is freehold BUT we don't own the mineral rights underneath our land. Since the whole area was a coalmining one, all of which were closed way back, we weren't too worried about that.

 

[KiwiKampers]

With the object and intent of achieving uniformity of siting design and external appearance on the Estate not to erect or maintain or suffer to be erected or maintained on such part of the Property as is situate between the front and any side building line of the said dwellinghouse and the abutting road or roads any building erection or structure whatsoever whether movable or immovable (other than a porch of and to the said dwellinghouse which shall not protrude more than four feet in front of the said building line) or any gate gatepost wall fence hedge or other partition (particularly not to park any caravan or other house on wheels or movable dwelling or boat either thereon or on the footpath or driveway to the dwellinghouse) and such part of the Property shall at all times during the Term be left open and unbuilt upon and laid out as a garden (but predominantly as a lawn) and kept in a neat and tidy condition and free from...

"Hello, hello, hello. It's the Punctuation Police here. I am arresting you for providing no punctuation whatsoever. While I'm here, I will also arrest you for parking your motorhome where the leasehold agreement clearly states, admittedly without punctuation, "not to park any caravan or other house on wheels or movable dwelling or boat either thereon or on the footpath or driveway to the dwellinghouse".

 

[stewartwebr]

For my simple mind I don’t think the Deeds quoted could be any simpler or clearer. No motorhomes!

 

[Pausim]

"Hello, hello, hello. It's the Punctuation Police here. I am arresting you for providing no punctuation whatsoever. While I'm here, I will also arrest you for parking your motorhome where the leasehold agreement clearly states, admittedly without punctuation, "not to park any caravan or other house on wheels or movable dwelling or boat either thereon or on the footpath or driveway to the dwellinghouse".

Not at all unusual, it was traditional for legal documents to be written without punctuation. These days I think punctuation is considered acceptable. I have a sneaky suspicion that the original idea was to make it difficult to read so that ‘clever’ lawyers could charge us proletarians for their ‘clever’ interpretation.

 

[our poppy llll]

For my simple mind I don’t think the Deeds quoted could be any simpler or clearer. No motorhomes!

I wonder if you denied dwelling in your house and said, I never “dwell” would you be on sticky ground?.
I remember a court case against HMRC. I defended an importer who did not pay duty on imports of car parts from China, he declared them as something different. It was 10% duty as car parts, 0% duty as fibres of glass with resins whether coloured or not compressed or moulded into shapes “other”. We told the judge that the panels imported were not car parts and what the final customer used the parts for was not in the control of the importer. Pictures of these panels were shown, hanging in a pub as decor, the dashboard of a speed boat and a kids sledge and that the importer simply imported glass fibers, resins and hardeners and shaped fibreglass panels. My customer won, HMRC changed the commodity codes and imposed duty on future fibreglass panels shaped or not, but could not collect back duty!.
But let’s not dwell on it!… errrrrghh…

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[stewartwebr]

I wonder if you denied dwelling in your house and said, I never “dwell” would you be on sticky ground?.
I remember a court case against HMRC. I defended an importer who did not pay duty on imports of car parts from China, he declared them as something different. It was 10% duty as car parts, 0% duty as fibres of glass with resins whether coloured or not compressed or moulded into shapes “other”. We told the judge that the panels imported were not car parts and what the final customer used the parts for was not in the control of the importer. Pictures of these panels were shown, hanging in a pub as decor, the dashboard of a speed boat and a kids sledge and that the importer simply imported glass fibers, resins and hardeners and shaped fibreglass panels. My customer won, HMRC changed the commodity codes and imposed duty on future fibreglass panels shaped or not, but could not collect back duty!.
But let’s not dwell on it!… errrrrghh

The answer to the question is very clear, the OP cannot legally park a Motorhome in their driveway. They would be in violation of the deeds. However, the next question and one which gives far more food for thought would be what would the consequences of ignoring the covenant and going ahead with the storage. The only action if fellow residents within the same Deeds of Title were to complain would be for them to start legal action. Depending on the development and how it is run that would need agreement from the majority of title holders to proceed with legal action and subsequent costs. If the development is managed by a factor then they could manage and proceed with legal action. However, from my experience factors tend not to want to draw owner occupiers into legal action due to uncertainty of outcome and associated costs.
Therefore, the OP needs to decide if storing the van at home in violation of deeds is worth potentially upsetting someone within the development and secondly becoming the villain of the development and the associated grief and stress. You could store it and have no issues, you could have a load of committee and factor letters, you could get lots of funny looks and snide comments but legally you have very little to fear.

 

[Nanniemate]

The answer to the question is very clear, the OP cannot legally park a Motorhome in their driveway. They would be in violation of the deeds. However, the next question and one which gives far more food for thought would be what would the consequences of ignoring the covenant and going ahead with the storage. The only action if fellow residents within the same Deeds of Title were to complain would be for them to start legal action. Depending on the development and how it is run that would need agreement from the majority of title holders to proceed with legal action and subsequent costs. If the development is managed by a factor then they could manage and proceed with legal action. However, from my experience factors tend not to want to draw owner occupiers into legal action due to uncertainty of outcome and associated costs.
Therefore, the OP needs to decide if storing the van at home in violation of deeds is worth potentially upsetting someone within the development and secondly becoming the villain of the development and the associated grief and stress. You could store it and have no issues, you could have a load of committee and factor letters, you could get lots of funny looks and snide comments but legally you have very little to fear.

It's a rented property break the lease could end up homeless but then OP could become an unintentional full timer

 

[Markman]

It's not just Leasehold, it applies to Freeholds as well.

We live in a Freehold house built in 1897
The land belonged to a large estate before it was developed.

Our Freehold has clauses that says we are not permitted to:

• Set up any form of butchery business (Not even an on-line one!)
• Not permitted to butcher animals (not even in the privacy of our own living room!)
• Not permitted to sell alcohol or set up any business involving the sale of alcohol.
• Dry washing outside on Sundays.

"in the hereinbefore recited Indenture of sixth day of July One thousand eight hundred and fifty six . . . the said James Woollam his heirs, executors, administrators or assigns . . . shall not at any time erect . . . brewery, chemical works, lime kiln, blast works, slaughterhouse, Inn, Beerhouse or Publichouse or permit to be carried on or exercised the trade of soap boiler, candle maker, skinner or tanner, or any trade or business whatsoever which shall be considered a nuisance or prejudice to the neighbourhood." . . . so I guess there goes all my fun at home!

 

[KASPAR]

I wonder if you denied dwelling in your house and said, I never “dwell” would you be on sticky ground?.
I remember a court case against HMRC. I defended an importer who did not pay duty on imports of car parts from China, he declared them as something different. It was 10% duty as car parts, 0% duty as fibres of glass with resins whether coloured or not compressed or moulded into shapes “other”. We told the judge that the panels imported were not car parts and what the final customer used the parts for was not in the control of the importer. Pictures of these panels were shown, hanging in a pub as decor, the dashboard of a speed boat and a kids sledge and that the importer simply imported glass fibers, resins and hardeners and shaped fibreglass panels. My customer won, HMRC changed the commodity codes and imposed duty on future fibreglass panels shaped or not, but could not collect back duty!.
But let’s not dwell on it!… errrrrghh…

Which is further exemplar of my view of the legal profession. Whoever tells a story not heard before by a judge wins, provided the judge got out of bed on the right side that morning

 

[stewartwebr]

It's a rented property break the lease could end up homeless but then OP could become an unintentional full timer

As a landlord it’s probably more unlikely to secure an eviction than it would be to uphold the Deeds. But sorry I missed the part about it being a rented property which adds complication. The OP needs to be careful around reference etc for any further rentals etc. However, when it comes to pure legal aspect would an eviction order be served for this kind of violation and would the landlord uphold the deeds with possible loss of rental income. The current government hates small time landlords with smaller portfolios. If I were to sell all my properties and place the money in a fixed bond I would make more money. Of course selling them is the issue, I have owned most of them for a number of years and the GC tax bill would mitigate the potential increase so I just have to sit and take it on the chin. The Scottish Government continually impose new rules, I replaced a tenant last month and had the usual mandatory testing to be done, PAT Testing, Electrical Inspection, Gas Testing, legionella test, lead water test, energy efficiency report, fire and heat detection testing and of course the increase in cost of the Landlord registration costs along with building and landlord liability insurance. Then add periods of in occupancy into the figures and rental freezes and really it’s just not worth the bother. More and more responsible Landlords are throwing in the towel and more and more big boys are taking over with lower standards and not a care for their tenants.

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[our poppy llll]

Finally wouldn’t it be nice if houses were built with enough space between them to accommodate motorhomes, caravans, sailing boats etc.. all that is needed is smaller front and back gardens and a side garden next to the garage 3.0 metres wide, 25 metres long. Say the depth of the house and instead of back gardens being fully enclosed, have an estate road wide enough at the rear for a Moho to drive along so it can be parked in the back yard!
If builders and councils accepted that tens of thousands of citizens like camping and touring and villages and towns provided Aires with clean water and black/gray waste disposal facilities, the increase in trade for these villages would go a long way to improving the lives of many.
Investment by local authorities on camp sites to give owners the ability to provide facilities would also help the local economy by providing jobs and tax revenues. Lowering business rates would allow expansion and more camp sites, grants to provide hard standing places for winter use would see a longer season in the UK. This anti motorhome/caravan stance that councils seem to have adopted is contrary to the needs of their constituents and needs changing.
I have noticed in my travels that campers for leisure are generally clean and tidy, they have pride in their units and when they move on you can hardly notice they’ve been there.

 

[corconx]

Thank you for your responses.

The original developer transferred the lease to Simarc, who showed a strong interest when our neighbour built an extension, as they required both permission and a sizable fee.

There are other motorhomes located on the surrounding streets. At this point, I'm not sure if they are freehold or leasehold. I believe they are fairly recent purchases, but I wasn't actively looking for them before!

Our immediate neighbours are quite friendly, although there’s always the possibility that someone a few doors down might have too much time on their hands!

I haven’t thought about insurance yet.

I had a similar problem when I bought this house, the deeds said I could park nothing over 12 foot. Although upon viewing the property initially with one of the owners I had inquired about parking our motorhome, and told there’s no problem whatsoever! That Was of course until I read the documents

I think in many ways I was fortunate in that there are only four properties here, built for the brothers who converted once was the village work house, and they own the land in front so they have built these four properties for themselves?

When I spoke to the senior brother and explain to him about this on the deeds he was unaware, because of course it’s a standard clause that is input when they draw them up and as they were as they were bothered if somebody parked a 40 foot boat or not there was plenty of space. So I was asked if I wanted it taken off of just ours , but I suggested it was better if it was done on all of them so that there was no aggro in the future should someone else wish to bring it up.

So the clause was written out of our deeds.

Just Help, if you can find out who holds the freehold and approach them and see what they say

 

[stewartwebr]

Finally wouldn’t it be nice if houses were built with enough space between them to accommodate motorhomes, caravans, sailing boats etc.. all that is needed is smaller front and back gardens and a side garden next to the garage 3.0 metres wide, 25 metres long. Say the depth of the house and instead of back gardens being fully enclosed, have an estate road wide enough at the rear for a Moho to drive along so it can be parked in the back yard!
If builders and councils accepted that tens of thousands of citizens like camping and touring and villages and towns provided Aires with clean water and black/gray waste disposal facilities, the increase in trade for these villages would go a long way to improving the lives of many.
Investment by local authorities on camp sites to give owners the ability to provide facilities would also help the local economy by providing jobs and tax revenues. Lowering business rates would allow expansion and more camp sites, grants to provide hard standing places for winter use would see a longer season in the UK. This anti motorhome/caravan stance that councils seem to have adopted is contrary to the needs of their constituents and needs changing.
I have noticed in my travels that campers for leisure are generally clean and tidy, they have pride in their units and when they move on you can hardly notice they’ve been there.

That was done in the 1800s, our house has rear access via a street leading to our mews which can be driven through to the rear courtyard. Of course no good for the motorhome as it was designed for horse and carriages Personally, I think motorhomes, boats, caravan etc in driveways is an eyesore and would not want neighbours who store them near my house, it ruins the look of the place. I often drive past nice houses to see the complete front of the house obscured by a caravan etc right across the front of the property and wonder why, surely storage would be an easier option.

 

[gus-lopez]

It's a rented property break the lease could end up homeless but then OP could become an unintentional full timer

Is it ? I thought the Op had bought it but the ground it stood on was leasehold?

 

[Nanniemate]

Is it ? I thought the Op had bought it but the ground it stood on was leasehold?

No idea first sentence says lease agreement I'm not going through 82 post to check

But rented or bought it seems clear you can't park it there.

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[Jonno1103]

The one oddity about the covenant is the mention of porches extending "Four Feet".
Imperial measurements were dropped from all official documents from about mid 1960's onwards.

Imperial measurements were officially dropped in 1967.
Which means no one under retirement age in the UK ever learnt the old imperial measurements officially at senior school.

The use of Imperial measurements implies the Covenant pre-dates the building of the estate in the 1980's-90's, and therefore the developers were forced to pass the existing Covenant onto the new buyers of the properties.

I think before you buy your need to:
A) Look at local storage options.
B) Look into the history of the Covenant, who inserted the clause, when and why.

I'm 57, left school in 1984 and was taught imperial. My missus, same age, schooled in Sutton Coldfield at the same time was taught metric. Local fruit & veg shops & sweet shops still sold in lb's & oz' until the mid 1990's. It was only the formation of the EU which made metric weights the singular recognised weight & measurement in the UK.

The slipway countdown boards on a UK motorway are measured in yards - 3,2,1. New Hackney cabs in the late '80's were still contructed using imperial sized nuts & bolts. 7/16 for the wings, 9/16 for the gearbox bellhousing & 1/2 for the floor panels, diff & propshaft UJ's plus the manifold.

 

[Brains]

I'm 57, left school in 1984 and was taught imperial. My missus, same age, schooled in Sutton Coldfield at the same time was taught metric. Local fruit & veg shops & sweet shops still sold in lb's & oz' until the mid 1990's. It was only the formation of the EU which made metric weights the singular recognised weight & measurement in the UK.

The slipway countdown boards on a UK motorway are measured in yards - 3,2,1. New Hackney cabs in the late '80's were still contructed using imperial sized nuts & bolts. 7/16 for the wings, 9/16 for the gearbox bellhousing & 1/2 for the floor panels, diff & propshaft UJ's plus the manifold.

I nearly a decade older than you.

I remember at the end of term when I left junior school, with must have been July 1967 we ceremonially threw out all the Imperial teaching methods, a foot of rope, a yard of string, a cubic foot box, etc.
Then I went to 'big school' in September 1967, we had the same ceremony, and threw out the old Imperial teaching methods.

So I was taught Imperial until 'big school'
I was also taught Pounds, Shillings and pence until decimalisation

The UK only joined the EU in 1973, so both of these changes predate our membership.

As for the use of old engineering standards, as we found in Germany all plumbing is still in Imperial, so if you need water at a campsite you will need a Half inch, Whitworth Screw, hose attachment for the German tap.

Germany 'only' adopted the metric system in 1872.
Today in Germany you can still buy a 'Pound' of mince (500gm) or get a 'Pint' of beer (500ml)

 

[Jonno1103]

I nearly a decade older than you.

I remember at the end of term when I left junior school, with must have been July 1967 we ceremonially threw out all the Imperial teaching methods, a foot of rope, a yard of string, a cubic foot box, etc.
Then I went to 'big school' in September 1967, we had the same ceremony, and threw out the old Imperial teaching methods.

So I was taught Imperial until 'big school'
I was also taught Pounds, Shillings and pence until decimalisation

The UK only joined the EU in 1973, so both of these changes predate our membership.

As for the use of old engineering standards, as we found in Germany all plumbing is still in Imperial, so if you need water at a campsite you will need a Half inch, Whitworth Screw, hose attachment for the German tap.

Germany 'only' adopted the metric system in 1872.
Today in Germany you can still buy a 'Pound' of mince (500gm) or get a 'Pint' of beer (500ml)

Yeah but a British pint is 568ml & 1lb of mince is a little over 450g... yer win some, yer lose some.

Come on Brains the EU wasn't formed until 1993 before that it was the EEC. When I started my apprenticeship at Cammel Lairds in '84 (essentially I was a can lad and if yer tea was crap you were thrown in the dock!) it was feet & inches too. Civils afterward UK sea defence, Docklands, London City Airport, ferry berth at Poole up until 1992, all imperial measurements for us... even the concrete pours were measured in tonnes & cubic yards.

My dad worked for ABI - Abbey, then helped design the first Auto Trail in the early '80's, that was feet & inches too.

Depth? Fathoms are in feet, a ships draft & squat in measured in both. Beds? in the UK it's still 3', 4'6", 5' etc. It's a mad world!

Ask me how long a metre is and I'll say 39 inches! Bonkers!

Our family owned fruit & veg shops in Liverpool until 1995. My uncle did his nut around 1993 when the weights & measured visited and said all of their shelf edge labels had to be switched to kilos & grams. Another chunk of family own a liquid fuel business in Scotland they had to do the same.

 

[Pausim]

I am 74 and can’t understand why anyone would want to work in imperial units when the metric ones are so much easier to calculate. I still use imperial units for singular statements like “he was only inches from disaster” but for measurements and calculations I have been using metric units for decades.

Many think that the French invented the metric system, but Englishman Bishop John Wilkins invented it over 120 years earlier. Wilkins' system was almost identical to the SI (le Système International d'unités) we use today, apart from the units' names.

 

[Nanniemate]

But we still ask what's the mileage are you getting to the gallon.

Should it not be how many Klm's to the ltr

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[gus-lopez]

The slipway countdown boards on a UK motorway are measured in yards - 3,2,1.

Yes but the distance marker boards in each direction are in kilometres.

Should it not be how many Klm's to the ltr

no it is "how many litres needed per 100 kilometres"