Bringing wine back into UK

[Paulypaul]

Roll on the 31st of December.
And then we will at least know where we are.
The uncertainty has been as bad as the leaving.

Mmm, will we know where we are, apart from out on a limb? The only certainty is that we we're going to be shafted wholesale.

Now let me try to remember what propaganda was peddled on the big red bus

No, I dont think any of those promises will come to fruition?

 

[phroco]

I think it's going to be a couple of months before we start to see how things are working out there are bound to be a few problems whatever happens.

The likelihood is it will be years and years before it becomes stable, if ever. There will need to be a deal at some point and it will probably take several more months before it's finalised, likely when the media microscope is off and both parties can agree to things that at the present time would be considered toxic. Then, when either the complexion of the current government changes, or the next government comes in, it's likely that the relationship will be extended to become closer and more aligned again. I think that will probably continue until maybe 10-15 years down the line we'll just be just another Norway.

In 2015 less than 10% of people considered the UK's relationship with the EU as at all important (https://theconversation.com/british...re-brexit-now-it-dominates-their-lives-123784), it was only through media saturation and targeted advertising that suddenly it became a big issue. Eventually, when the vested interests have cashed in on the current chaos, it will hopefully just fade back into the background again and allow real progress to be made.

I know some people are holding out for a US deal as the holy grail but they will be much harder to deal with than the EU, will demand a lot more, to give less, and will generate a much smaller economic boost so won't replace any EU deal in any way. They will demand the UK gives up a lot more 'sovereignty' than we already have yielded in the UK/Japan agreement or any of the others that have recently been rolled over. The only way you can retain full sovereignty is if you don't have any international agreements at all. Geographic and economic gravity means that eventually England & Wales will probably end up more or less where we were while in the EU, just without any influence or input into very much at all, and surrounded on all sides by EU nations.

 

[gwyntaxi]

The allowance will be whatever the UK decides...
All assumptions are based on existing duty free limits...
If 'we' decide to double allowances, 'we' can...
It's our choice, not someone else's.

I thought “duty free”finished years ago it’s not been duty free for quite a few years now, when duty free ended we were allowed to fetch virtually as much as we liked as long as it was for personal use, I don’t really see why brexit should change that.

 

[2x2camper]

I thought “duty free”finished years ago it’s not been duty free for quite a few years now, when duty free ended we were allowed to fetch virtually as much as we liked as long as it was for personal use, I don’t really see why brexit should change that.

Because we are not in the single market

 

[Thross]

That’s because we were in the EU. Now we’re out! Most ridiculous decision we’ve ever made and now we’ll be made to pay for it.

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[The Wino]

The likelihood is it will be years and years before it becomes stable, if ever. There will need to be a deal at some point and it will probably take several more months before it's finalised, likely when the media microscope is off and both parties can agree to things that at the present time would be considered toxic. Then, when either the complexion of the current government changes, or the next government comes in, it's likely that the relationship will be extended to become closer and more aligned again. I think that will probably continue until maybe 10-15 years down the line we'll just be just another Norway.

In 2015 less than 10% of people considered the UK's relationship with the EU as at all important (https://theconversation.com/british...re-brexit-now-it-dominates-their-lives-123784), it was only through media saturation and targeted advertising that suddenly it became a big issue. Eventually, when the vested interests have cashed in on the current chaos, it will hopefully just fade back into the background again and allow real progress to be made.

I know some people are holding out for a US deal as the holy grail but they will be much harder to deal with than the EU, will demand a lot more, to give less, and will generate a much smaller economic boost so won't replace any EU deal in any way. They will demand the UK gives up a lot more 'sovereignty' than we already have yielded in the UK/Japan agreement or any of the others that have recently been rolled over. The only way you can retain full sovereignty is if you don't have any international agreements at all. Geographic and economic gravity means that eventually England & Wales will probably end up more or less where we were while in the EU, just without any influence or input into very much at all, and surrounded on all sides by EU nations.

I'm of a very similar view to you probably more pessimistic but on here"political" opinions are very much frowned on!!!.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Oh Oh Please! Remoaners, get over yourselves.
We're leaving/have left the EU.
For good or bad... the decision has been made.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

I think at the end of Q1 2021 when VW/Audi/Mercedes/BMW/ PEUGEOT/Citroen sales have “ fallen off a cliff” in UK, then the elected leaders in Europe ( not the mandarins swanning round like ponces on the telly at the moment) will be getting their heads pecked by their own industries

That is unless we dont impose tariffs,( as is our option) and punt the ball back over the channel

 

[MitchandJenny]

The way I feel about the Ffffrench now (NOT you Franky) I won’t be worrying about buying their wines any time soon...
Spanish, Portuguese, German, Chilean,
Australian etc etc. Plenty out there to choose from. France is a beautiful country and most French are warm and generous, but we have been unnecessarily buggered about at the border SO many times since Brexit was decided,, enough is enough!!
I have been told ( after a 5 hour intentionally engineered delay ). “” We are just showing you how we will be, after you leave “” !!!!
Maybe if the fishing debacle is sorted out without another “Cod war” scenario, I could relent.
Sorry if this sounds petty and juvenile !!
Mitch

 

[Paulypaul]

The way I feel about the Ffffrench now (NOT you Franky) I won’t be worrying about buying their wines any time soon...
Spanish, Portuguese, German, Chilean,
Australian etc etc. Plenty out there to choose from. France is a beautiful country and most French are warm and generous, but we have been unnecessarily buggered about at the border SO many times since Brexit was decided,, enough is enough!!
I have been told ( after a 5 hour intentionally engineered delay ). “” We are just showing you how we will be, after you leave “” !!!!
Maybe if the fishing debacle is sorted out without another “Cod war” scenario, I could relent.
Sorry if this sounds petty and juvenile !!
Mitch

But the same limits will apply whether you buy Spanish, German, or any other wine producers, as well as French wine. So boycotting French wine is irrelevant, other than for your own personal reasons.

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[MitchandJenny]

Hi paulypaul
Understood mate, but no other nation has verbally stated that they are Effing me about on purpose .
You are logically correct, but it is, as you say, personal .. We are all “ Persons “. I would not treat anybody like that, regardless of nationality..
The gendarmerie, border guards and French shipping receptionist ALL agreed to ( as they told us ) to inflict a “ go slow “ to show their irritation!!!
And I didn’t like it...
Mitch.

 

[Paulypaul]

Hi paulypaul
Understood mate, but no other nation has verbally stated that they are Effing me about on purpose .
You are logically correct, but it is, as you say, personal .. We are all “ Persons “. I would not treat anybody like that, regardless of nationality..
The gendarmerie, border guards and French shipping receptionist ALL agreed to ( as they told us ) to inflict a “ go slow “ to show their irritation!!!
And I didn’t like it...
Mitch.

Sorry Mitch,
I wasn't aware that you had received any grief by the French? I know exactly how they can be from when I used go across the water in my truck and I know just how difficult they can make any situation.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

But the same limits will apply whether you buy Spanish, German, or any other wine producers, as well as French wine. So boycotting French wine is irrelevant, other than for your own personal reasons.

I don't limit my personal boycott of France and the French to wine

 

[Chris]

As a drinker and indeed a smoker I was very well aware of the consequences of Leave.

Did it make a blind bit of difference to the way I voted?

Did it hell as like. The real disappointment to me is that we are still talking to them.

Sod them. Cease talking close our waters and then reduce our corporation tax rates right down to lure business away from the EU.

Level playing field? No chance.

 

[robnchris]

Are those that voted OUT having second thoughts, don’t like to say “told you so”

Absolutely not, it's not the people that voted to leave that have caused this situation it's the politicians and unelected officials in Brussels that have wasted 4.5yrs and still haven't been able to sort out a suitable plan.
They should all be shot at dawn.

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[robnchris]

As a drinker and indeed a smoker I was very well aware of the consequences of Leave.

Did it make a blind bit of difference to the way I voted?

Did it hell as like. The real disappointment to me is that we are still talking to them.

Sod them. Cease talking close our waters and then reduce our corporation tax rates right down to lure business away from the EU.

Level playing field? No chance.

You are spot on, we should open Britain as a free port the same as Singapore, they've done ok out of such a move.

 

[Nirvanauk]

That’s because we were in the EU. Now we’re out! Most ridiculous decision we’ve ever made and now we’ll be made to pay for it.

Unfortunately a lot of smart people on this forum voted for it.

 

[David and Sally]

Unfortunately a lot of smart people on this forum voted for it.

That's me. And I would again.

 

[Gary217]

It is a bit fascinating to me that so much is being said about the EU trying to bully us etc etc. Reality is simple, as an example if you run a business and have the chance of a big contract to trade with, say, a car manufacturer you have to comply with their T&C's such as quality, environment, just in time and the such. No good saying we want or our own standards on quality, environment and it is more convenient to deliver when we want. Say that and you'll get no deal, because those are the requirements of the manufacturer.

So it is with the EU. They are saying they want certain requirements to form a trade deal, that is all. It is our choice whether or not we want a deal on those terms. They are not bullying us, just negotiating hard. Their fishing requirement does seem unreasonable to me so we should reject and walk.

However, it is strange how desperate our side seems to be to make the deal, and even as a remainer who is deeply saddened by Brexit, I feel we should have already walked as we won't be able to negotiate a good deal and at least then we can begin to take stock of the mess we are in (C-19 + Brexit) and give some better direction to people. And...we'd all know for sure how much or little wine we can bring back (and what it will cost me to take our dog to Europe).

 

[Gary217]

That's me. And I would again.

Just out of interest, a genuine question, on what basis would you vote for it again...? (I promise not argue any point, as I get told off if I do, but I am genuinely fascinated as to why people still hold 'leave' as their opinion).

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[David and Sally]

Just out of interest, a genuine question, on what basis would you vote for it again...? (I promise not argue any point, as I get told off if I do, but I am genuinely fascinated as to why people still hold 'leave' as their opinion).

I'll PM you. Don't like Coventry this time of year!!

PS, for some reason I am 'not allowed' to PM you???? Jim ??

 

[frogijock]

NO. If the EU would stop trying to punish UK for leaving and instead look at ways to make it work then all would be ok

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Just out of interest, a genuine question, on what basis would you vote for it again...? (I promise not argue any point, as I get told off if I do, but I am genuinely fascinated as to why people still hold 'leave' as their opinion).

Tbh, i truly belueve if the vote was held again, leave would get a bigger majority

 

[robnchris]

That's me. And I would again.

And me, if only for the reason after the vote the EU said we will punish Britain for leaving.

 

[Paulypaul]

And Boris stopping illegal entries into the UK, which contribute towards putting a strain on the NHS, which will be £350 million better off per week.

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[Geo]

The EU has to make it difficult and punitive to leave as a lesson to the rest of the member states not to even think about leaving.
If it were to easy many more would.

 

[F4K EM]

No prob for me as I drink only red wine, about 7 glasses a year. I don't go to pubs, never drink at home and have one glass at each of 5 family birthdays and two with Christmas lunch. I'm always a driver and it isn't a hardship.

Can you fetch me some back then?

 

[Chris]

The EU has to make it difficult and punitive to leave as a lesson to the rest of the member states not to even think about leaving.
If it were to easy many more would.

The rest of the EU governments are scared to give their citizens a vote.

I wonder why that is?

 

[Keith E]

Those are the old limits the new ones after 1st Jan 2021 are:-

Alcohol​

• 42 litres of beer
• 18 litres of still wine
• 4 litres of spirits OR 9 litres of sparkling wine, fortified wine or any alcoholic beverage less than 22% ABV

More than enough for most of us, 48 bottles of wine between two of us will keep us going between trips.

But 4 litres of vodka won't last me very long.

 

[Spriddler]

Can you fetch me some back then?

I come back well loaded for family and friends, plus I have a substantial 'wine cellar' at home from which to take a bottle when invited out to eat. I seem to be a very popular guest.
I really like specific red Bordeaux wines, St Emilion in particular, but I used to have a wife to whom alcohol was a necessity (and extremely embarrassing when socialising) so I got into the habit of doing all the driving, apart from the fact that I have never drunk alcohol if driving anyway. I'm a naturally gregarious and happy chap so drinking alcohol doesn't contribute anything to mine or others' enjoyment when I attend occasions.
(Oh dear, that does sound very pompous, so I must admit to becoming somewhat (ahem, very) unnecessary at the beer tent on motorbike camping rallies.............as one does, as it aids getting off to sleep in a damp and chilly tent...........Well that's the theory).

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