Boxed wine( Bag in a Box) at Cite Europe and Spain

[chaser]

May be a cheap wine but those glasses are an insult to it.

I know mate , expected a few comments on that but we had just had a beer in the garden and couldn't be bothered getting wine glasses out.

 

[chaser]

Had a brew and a sandwich on the supermarket car park just outside Guines a few years ago, watching the world go by, and saw quite a few of the French, especially popular amongst older men, coming out with these. If it’s the weight of bottles you are saving I can recommend this .....
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Only problem with these large containers for us is we tend to drink too much, when in bottles we do limit ourselves to one bottle a night , between us.

 

[The Wino]

Only problem with these large containers for us is we tend to drink too much, when in bottles we do limit ourselves to one bottle a night , between us.

In the past we often filled an empty bottle then the glasses from that as it at least gives you an idea how much you're getting through.

 

[Lenny HB]

Only problem with these large containers for us is we tend to drink too much, when in bottles we do limit ourselves to one bottle a night , between us.

Fatal having a box in the van, a bottle lasts us two days but a 3lt box only 3-4 days. We now have a ½lt carafe and try to limit ourselves to one of them per day if we have a box.

 

[pelican]

How do you know if it’s out of a bag or not. Have delivered shipping containers with one massive big bag of wine in that they suck out and re bottle.

How do they get it into the container?

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[Ivory55]

How do they get it into the container?

I am guessing that they stand the container on end and put a collapsible bag in it. Then fill with wine , shut the doors and put on a lorry or whatever transport they are using. I would think that the hardest bit would be getting the bag to sit properly with out any creases or traps that would rub and maybe cause a leak. Only been at the emptying end and then not that close to the operation.

 

[The Wino]

I am guessing that they stand the container on end and put a collapsible bag in it. Then fill with wine , shut the doors and put on a lorry or whatever transport they are using. I would think that the hardest bit would be getting the bag to sit properly with out any creases or traps that would rub and maybe cause a leak. Only been at the emptying end and then not that close to the operation.

I think a lot of the Australian wine is delivered in bulk and bottled over here . the other thing with the story of "the dregs" being put in wine boxes is firstly is it worth setting up an operation with two methods of packing from the same bulk container (probably not) . Secondly is most of the wine in boxes aged on the lees or in a barrel which produces sediment and the sediment put in the bulk container (probably not). Thirdly have you ever found sediment at the end of wine out of a box (I never have).
I can only conclude that thinking the "dregs" are put into wine boxes after the good stuff is used to fill bottles is a bit of a gassing myth!!!!. Of course it could be a figure of speech rather than meaning the actual sediment/rough stuff at the end of barrel but these days I think wine at the bottom of the price range is way better than a few years ago. A lot of the difference in cost is the duty we pay £3 a litre plus vat so £3.60 a litre about £2.50 a bottle more if its over 15%( plus there's vat on the actual wine/bottle/carriage/mark up for the retailer etc the French next to nothing (I think its about 3p duty plus vat).

 

[Driventemple]

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Yes but I have bought some at under €10 for 5 litre and over €20 for a bottle and no discernable difference. Its an individual choice.. Lidl marginally dearer and like here, not sure whether it's in stock regularly.

There is something seriously wrong with your taste buds

 

[MandP]

Many thanks to all who took the time to respond to my post.It is much appreciated.

Kind regards

 

[grumps147]

How do they get it into the container?

Bags used.. example here ... https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/24000-liter-oil-flexitank-for-20ft_60838439853.html?s=p
Used for lots of different liquids.

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[Parrot Face]

Does anyone remember going into French supermarkets with your own bottle. Against the wall there would be large vats that you filled from. Great stuff and good for the environment.

 

[Reallyretired]

May be a cheap wine but those glasses are an insult to it.

I thought that too. Proper glasses make any wine taste better, what next a mug?

 

[The Wino]

Does anyone remember going into French supermarkets with your own bottle. Against the wall there would be large vats that you filled from. Great stuff and good for the environment.

A lot of places still sell wine en vrac in France especially the cave co-operatives that make a lot of the wine.

 

[chaser]

I thought that too. Proper glasses make any wine taste better, what next a mug?

Done that too in the van

 

[suavecarve]

Not really big drinkers but did take advantage of the price difference while travelling to and from Spain

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I dont say this to many but ......

I bow towards your superior liver

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[suavecarve]

All you need is a collapsible water container and go to the vineyards and get it filled from the pump

Easily the best value for money.
2 euros worth is enough to ensure a good nights sleep and we recently got the Bordeaux Superior at that price per litre.
Decant it into a carafe or jug and nobody knows any different.

Filling up at the pump can be awkward if you cant get the van close enough to the pump to fill up your water tank so you can have wine on tap !

 

[orridge]

I am guessing that they stand the container on end and put a collapsible bag in it. Then fill with wine , shut the doors and put on a lorry or whatever transport they are using. I would think that the hardest bit would be getting the bag to sit properly with out any creases or traps that would rub and maybe cause a leak. Only been at the emptying end and then not that close to the operation.

A lot of wine and beer is transported in bulk then put into the vessel for sale which could be box, bottle, keg, can etc.

Basically large plastic boxes with a poly liner inside with a top opening to fill and sometimes a bottom/side to empty. Easy to move via fork lift and pump the liquid in and suck it back out again.

You can just about make out the blue container in the back of this picture which was bourbon barrelled stout arriving in Ireland for packaging.

 

[pelican]

I think a lot of the Australian wine is delivered in bulk and bottled over here . the other thing with the story of "the dregs" being put in wine boxes is firstly is it worth setting up an operation with two methods of packing from the same bulk container (probably not) . Secondly is most of the wine in boxes aged on the lees or in a barrel which produces sediment and the sediment put in the bulk container (probably not). Thirdly have you ever found sediment at the end of wine out of a box (I never have).
I can only conclude that thinking the "dregs" are put into wine boxes after the good stuff is used to fill bottles is a bit of a gassing myth!!!!. Of course it could be a figure of speech rather than meaning the actual sediment/rough stuff at the end of barrel but these days I think wine at the bottom of the price range is way better than a few years ago. A lot of the difference in cost is the duty we pay £3 a litre plus vat so £3.60 a litre about £2.50 a bottle more if its over 15%( plus there's vat on the actual wine/bottle/carriage/mark up for the retailer etc the French next to nothing (I think its about 3p duty plus vat).

That's correct a figure of speech.
The worst culprits being the machined picked harvest.

 

[arao99]

We often buy wine at Carrefour in Cite Europe.
They have a huge choice of boxes but for reliable, drinkable red we usually go for JP. Chenet merlot or cabernet.
We have bought some that looked good and poured it down the sink, so now stick to known and reliable brands.

Richard

We do the same JP. Chenet merlot , Cabernet ,white and rose` in 3 ltr boxes and have always found it very drinkable too.

 

[The Wino]

That's correct a figure of speech.
The worst culprits being the machined picked harvest.

Actually one of the most disappointing wine tastings we went to was all hand picked Swiss wine (and very expensive). The presenter pointed out Switzerland is a country where the vineyards are seldom flat enough to use machines and there is no cheap labour hence the cost.........my solution buy wine from a different country!

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[EX51SSS]

There is something seriously wrong with your taste buds

 

[whiskyman]

I dont say this to many but ......

I bow towards your superior liver

In mitigation I have to say it was shared between the two of us over many months. Take note of how many bottles of Three Barrels there are (the wife's tipple) Best value from Benidorm would you believe.


Cheers
Colin

 

[EX51SSS]

There is something seriously wrong with your taste buds

 

[Emmit]

Had a brew and a sandwich on the supermarket car park just outside Guines a few years ago, watching the world go by, and saw quite a few of the French, especially popular amongst older men, coming out with these. If it’s the weight of bottles you are saving I can recommend this .....
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Many years ago when I was wearing a younger mans clothes, I organised a 'booze cruise' for the lads on the shift and remember buying those barrels to bring back.
I can remember writing off to France with an accompanying letter in my best schoolboy French along with a piece of cardboard festooned with low value coins in order to receive a 'Robinette' (tap) to attach to the barrel.
And it arrived a short time later. I still have it.

 

[Marty Gilly and Pup]

Fatal having a box in the van, a bottle lasts us two days but a 3lt box only 3-4 days. We now have a ½lt carafe and try to limit ourselves to one of them per day if we have a box.

“A bottle lasts us two days”. Whaaaat!!! Surely it would evaporate faster than that in your carafe........?

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