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SophieB

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Aug 13, 2024
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Ok, this time - a solar charge controller upgrade...

One of the niggles with the Benivan is that the 12V system is a bit 'cheap and cheerful'. The Sargent system (EC176?) contains a single stage battery charger - basically a 13.8V power supply to be honest and although you have a solar panel installed, the controller is a basic PWM one that is only capable of charging one battery at a time. There's a changeover switch to flip between charging the vehicle and leisure battery.

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Another drawback of the Sargent system is that it doesn't seem to charge the vehicle battery, just the leisure one. I've taken to leaving the solar panel set to 'Vehicle' when the van is parked up to keep the vehicle battery topped up and then switching it to 'Leisure' when we are using the van - works OK, but a bit of a faff.

As a bit of an aside here, the Sargent display panel shows the voltages for the batteries and a state of charge - poor/fair/good etc. It will also show 'charging' against the battery when it is being charged. To begin with I thought the Sargent control unit must be monitoring whether current was flowing to or from the battery, but actually it's a lot less sophisticated. 'charging' shows up if the battery voltage is 13.3V or above, which is probably fairly accurate as a lead/acid battery doesn't sit above 13V for long unless it is on charge.

Anyway, my goal here was to replace the factory fit solar controller with one that would
  • Charge both batteries at once
  • Get more power from the panel using MPPT rather than PWM
  • Have a charging profile that is good for keeping the batteries in good health
  • Fit in the space occupied by the current charge controller and
  • Is compatible with a lithium battery if we choose to upgrade in the future.

A good deal of research led to choosing the Votronic MPP 165 Duo Digital, which covers pretty much all my requirements and is from a well respected brand rather than some unknown Chinese brand. Just under £100 and quick delivery from 12V Planet - I bought a few meters of cable that I didn't end up needing to push the amount up enough to get free delivery :). Note that at least one brand of dual battery MPPT charge controller (PV Logic) requires batteries with separate ground connections rather than the common ground used in almost all vans - this should be avoided as it will not work correctly in a van where the batteries have common grounds.

So, first things first... removing the old controller.

My first step was to cover the solar panel with an old folded painting sheet - actually there was still obviously enough light getting to it through the sheet to generate an output voltage, but much lower than usual and not enough to run the charger.

Next, disconnect the charging circuits from the two batteries. Turn off the mains at the consumer unit, then remove the 20A fuse next to the leisure battery and the 20A 'vehicle battery' fuse in the little box on the floor behind the drivers seat. You can then verify zero volts at the existing battery charger using a voltmeter with the rocker switch in the 'I' then 'II' positions. Now there is no electrics active, you can start dismantling.

The existing charger has a single central screw holding it to the cupbard wall - pop that out and it comes loose. Now to remove the floor of the cupboard. This is held in with two screws under sticky covers at the back.

Handy hint... Get a hairdryer, set it to maximum heat, minimum blow and aim it at the sticky screw cover for about 60 seconds. Once it's warmed up, it should peel off fairly easily and you can just pop it on a PVC plastic bag until you need it at the end when putting stuff back together.

With the cupboard floor out, you can see that there's a lot of wiring under there!

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I also tried to remove the end wall of the cupboard - again two screws under sticky covers, but even with them taken out the wall was fixed - I suspect glued and screwed. Anyway, it turned out not to be necessary.

The rocker switch just pulls free - fingernails might be enough or you might need to carefully ease it out with a flat screwdriver.

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The top wire (brown/blue) is from the leisure battery, the bottom (brown/green) from the vehicle battery and the center (brown/orange) connects to the original charge controller. I verified the wiring by connecting each battery back up in turn and checking the voltage from the wires to the battery ground on the charge controller.

Next, disconnect the wiring. The white plastic bits just pull off the back of the toggle switch, while the wires to the charge controller can be simply unscrewed. Label each wire and tape off the ends with insulating tape as you disconnect them to avoid any accidental shorts.

You can then pull the three wires that go to the toggle switch gently from below to unthread them out of the wall.

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I'm sure there is some way to dissassembly the white push on blocks that came from the back of the toggle switch, but I just decided to cut the last inch of wire off with the plastic blocks going with it - there was plenty of slack available. The orange and brown wire that went to the center pin of the toggle can be removed as it is no longer needed, and the ground wire (white/orange) can be cut short to match the length of the two wires from the batteries.

Now we get to the fun bit of connecting up the new kit - leisure battery first (orange/white to negative, brown and blue to positive) and also connect the vehicle battery to the start battery + terminal on the controller. At this point you can re-insert the 20A fuses to bring the 12V power back - the 'MPP' light should flash, which is the controller saying 'no power from the panels, ready to go when we get some'. Now connect the panel wiring - observing correct polarity, red to positive - and remove the cover from the solar panel - the controller should kick into life!

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Excellent, now just to mount the controller properly and put things back together.

I used some electrical tape to bundle the cables and then fitted about 6 inches of mesh cable wrap I had handy from another project to give a tidy look.


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Four small screws mounts the controller on the cupboard wall, nicely covering the hole left by the old changeover switch. It's best to put the cupboard floor back in place first to make sure you right the wiring to go straight up from the hole that was there for the old charge controller wiring. Make sure your screws are no more than 15-16mm to avoid going right through the end of the cupboard and possibly hitting a cable behind. You can then screw the cupboard floor back down and restore the screw cover stickers you saved earlier.

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It all looks nice and tidy, with good space around the controller for ventilation even when the cupboard is in use. Note that this model (the 165) does not have a cooling fan - higher spec models in the same case do have a fan that apparently comes on when the controller gets hot.

Everything seems to be working as expected so far - a nice little mod to make the van that bit easier to use :)

cheers,

Robin
Hi!
You posted this awhile back, but I wanted to ask if you happen to have more photos or maybe even a video. I have zero experience with electrical & was lost almost immediately, I am buying a 2024 BV 120 next month & if the solar charge controller is the same as your van’s, I definitely want a better one - especially as I want a lithium battery & possibly more solar. Thanks in advance.
 
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Sep 7, 2021
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Hi,

from some information I've seen elsewhere, I think that the newer models may have a slightly different solar charge controller (possibly made by Sargent, and possibly under the floor of the cupboard rather than on the wall of the cupboard). There's also the difference between the old Benivan (120/122) made by Auto-trail and the newer models (144,161, etc) which are made (I think) by Benimar themselves in Spain and will be completely different.

Anyway, the new Votronic solar controller has worked fine over the last couple of years and is quite happy with the Lithium battery. I have left the mains charger as the basic Sargent one and had no trouble with it (although it will not charge the lithium battery nearly as fast as a more advanced charger, it will not do it any harm either).

If your van has stop/start (and a 2024 van almost certainly will) then the basic split charge function of the Sargent EC176 power box needs to be disabled if you fit a lithium battery (really, it's not even suitable for a lead acid battery, but that's a whole different story). That can be done easily by removing the 'Vehicle battery' 20A fuse in the fusebox under the bench seat. A B-2-B charger can then be fitted if you want the lithium battery to charge from the engine when charging.

Oh, and I'm sorry, but I just don't do videos...

cheers,

Robin
 
Sep 14, 2024
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Benivan 120
Well, I have no problem with leaks so far, but I guess they are much less likely in a panel van conversion (where the outer skin comes from Fiat) than in a coachbuilt.

As promised, TV installation... The Benivan comes with a TV aerieal on the roof, a booster box and two TV points inside, but the only sensible place to put the TV is on the rear wall of the wardrobe as shown on the right here... Fortunately one of the TV points and a 12V socket is right there under the upper cupboard :)

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The problem is that the wall of the wardrobe there is 15mm lightweight ply and it's not at all clear that it's strong enough to hold a TV bracket. Some suggestions from the Facebook Benimar owners group indicated that the way that Marquis deal with this is to reinforce the wall from the inside before fitting the bracket - I decided to go the same way, but that means you have to deal with the fact that the small table is stored on the inside of the wardrobe wall.

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After some thought I decided to go with 9mm ply to reinforce the wall - easily available from DIY stores, and will give a total thickness of ~25mm, which should be sufficient. In theory you can buy lightweight poplar ply (I think this is what the existing walls are made of), but that seemed overkill. Also, since the reinforcement is inside the wardrobe, I didn't need to match the colour of the existing panels.

'Glued and Screwed' always seems a good idea for a firm fix, so I bought some spray contact adhesive (Toolstation). A test on a couple of scrap bits of wood about 6" square showed that after 24 hours I could not separate them, so the glue should be strong enough even without the screws ;)


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A good number of short screws (20mm, so they go nowhere near the far surface of the wall) make sure the two pieces are pulled tightly together for the glue to bond. Using the 9mm ply meant that the curved lip at the front will still help hold the round table when it is put back in place - that just required refitting the restraining blocks...

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It seemed a good idea to wait 24 hours for the glue to dry fully before fitting the bracket to the other side.

The bracket was another suggestion from the Benimar Facebook group - this one : Amazon product ASIN B07KCDHKF4 . It's quite solid and heavy, but designed for motorhomes with a restraining catch to hold the TV in place while travelling and foam rubber pads to prevent rattles. In addition, the mounting plate is fairly large, so it distributes the load well.

The kit comes with 4 x 25mm mounting bolts - they need a small pilot hole, but will bite well into the wooden wall. I can just feel the tips bulging the ply on the inner wall of the wardrobe a tiny bit (I screwed them in with the table not in place, just in case - if they broke through then a washer on each would solve the problem). Think carefully about the positioning of the mount - I did and still got it slightly wrong (if I had thought harder I would have gone 1cm higher to give a little more clearance to lift the seat cushion and about 3-4cm more towards the window to make it easier to get into the seat with the TV and the large table in place).


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As you can see, the bracket has adjustments to for TV tilt up/down and left/right. It also swings out to the left from the mounted position, which is perfect here. I don't think it would work out for a TV mounted on the left side of the van however.

The TV itself - after much thought and more help from the Benimar owners group - was a Cello 22" full HD with built in DVD. The reviews on this TV are a bit negative on the sound quality. It is a bit tinny and needs the volume turned up, but to be honest you are sitting at a maximum of about 4 feet away from it, so it is quite acceptable and audible. It's certainly good value for money compared to other 12V TV brands, and the picture quality is good.

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The TV comes with some velcro cable ties to help run the cables on the swing arm, but more cable ties are always a good thing to get things nice and tidy. Some self adhesive velcro always helps too - in this case in setting up a spot for the remote to be velcroed to the back of the TV so it has a place to live.

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I'm happy to report that a long trip and a number of shorter ones (including some vicious speed bumps) haven't caused any problems, so the mounting must be strong enough to cope with the weight of the TV :)

Next time... coping with the disaster that is the Ducato's speedometer design.


cheers,

Robin
Hi Robin

Love your top tips mate, but X4 T Nuts would of saved you a packet of time + weight + cost.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B097PSNNGR?tag=mhf04-21

Best Regards

Jonny JB
 

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