Bad/Sad News From West Wales

[MC 55 FUN]

Unless of course they are irresponsibly overnighting where it is against local laws to do so.

Or if they commit the criminal offence of aggravated trespass

 

[mitzimad]

Exactly.

Wales isn't France, it's tiny in comparison, French type aires don't exist, yet some irresponsible ''people'' still think they can do as they like with no regard for others or the law.

popoulatioin of wales per kilometer is lower than germany who have an ample supply of stelplatz

Area and population of European countries - Wikipedia

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[Baggydave]

Me to.

Me as well.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

popoulatioin of wales per kilometer is lower than germany who have an ample supply of stelplatz

Area and population of European countries - Wikipedia

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Who said anything about the population ?

Or Germany ?

I was comparing the geographical size of Wales versus France

 

[rod_vw]

I just don't get this BOOKING thing, isn't owning a motor home all about being able to go places on the spur of the moment?

Or at least being able to stop overnight at any point in a touring holiday.

If I wanted to BOOK I could use any one of many hotels, independent or otherwise, and tour in a car. Probably if I booked early enough hotels would be cheaper than many of our UK campsites.

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[billym]

Deleted as I was going to say wildcamping is illegal in Poland

 

[Googlebot]

I was in Aberystwyth just filling the motorhome with Diesel and went to pay to read the local paper screaming it’s outrage.

From the papers picture it was clear that whoever owned that particular van conversion was a knob! All the rear overhang across the pavement and blocking wheelchairs etc and been there for days.

Don’t get outraged or angry, as usual it’s just a few who are idiots, same as those who take up two spaces in busy car parks in case they get their doors dented.

All that has happened here is the local councillor is exploring avenues to prevent a repeat and trying to win votes at the same time.

I use a mix of sites, car parks, pubs and car parks, if not welcome, I move on. I refuse to get wound up by people who should know better, much the same as most walks of life.

 

[Toby28]

Oh dear, here we go again.
I live in Pembrokeshire, I drive a self converted Citroen relay that I have just completed. I use this as my car. We have another car but as my wife is a nurse she needs to use it.
I agree that at the moment Pembrokeshire is crowded with campervans etc and SOME of them are totally inconsiderate towards others and local communities.
It does seem that sometimes those that own MOTORHOMES have it in for those that have converted vans and vice versa. We have all chosen to own some sort of home on wheels to give us that freedom we all look for.
We should all stop slagging each other off and enjoy what we are doing be it in a motorhome or a converted van.
There are going to be a lot of vans around with the so called staycations.
I think the Councils should offer more spaces for vans where they can, they should also police the vans that do take up parking spaces for days on end.
I could go on and on, at the end of the day all I am saying is let's be respectful to each other and if funsters on here are doing the right thing then that's good and I think that's what this site is all about.
We are always going to get the idiots who take the micky, it's up to people like the one's on this site to show we are not all the same.
That went on too long, sorry.

 

[Jewellbags]

Whoa ! The vitriol. The problem isn’t the wild parking it’s when it gets abused & overcrowded. It’s like opening the beaches in bournemouth and seeing the idiot hordes descend and ruin it for everyone else . We’ve a industrial estate in hamble and over the summer during the weekends (because it’s by the Solent ) there will always be 5-6 mohos or PVCs , a crowd of jet skiers and probably others all wanting to sit by the water . In itself not a problem but afterwards the place is full of rubbish and dog mess - I wrote and complained so it would be hypocritical of me to do the same thing .

there has to be give an take - the odd , well behaved Moho isn’t an issue.

this is the strangest of years though folks. For my part for the foreseeable, I probably won’t wild camp or even use a overnight car park (in the uk) - as tempers are high and don’t want to risk the damage. I’ll have a few stops planned and booked and fill the gaps with a britstop or two . And then, when we return the normal , the idiots fly back to Spain , I’ll legally park somewhere lovely where the locals are friendly and appreciate my business. But I will never, ever leave rubbish or waste where it shouldn’t be .

 

[gus-lopez]

I'd happily see Illegally parked Motorhomes taken away and crushed. Those who prefer doing it the French way know where they can go

If it's not legal then, please - go to where it is. Don't try and impose your preferences on the rest of us!

It is legal. It is just some taking the mick.

So don't beat everyone with a big stick - deal with those individuals that behave badly please!

that is how all councils,& governmenets work. Inconvenience everyone rather than address the culprits.

- closing public toilets should not have been allowed on public health grounds anyway

It isn't allowed.

And then, when we return the normal , the idiots fly back to Spain ,

Exactly just like my nephews, " do walkers,runners, cyclists, etc;etc;etc" all disappeared as soon as they were allowed to travel in their cars.
For me it should have been the same as here if you are being paid to stay at home then home is the only place you could be.

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[The Welsh Wizard]

Image captionEndaf Edwards has called for camper vans to be banned
Sadly yet another Welsh dinosaur. Quick to whinge but no idea of how to change. Ceridigion, Pembrokeshire, Gwynedd all have Tourist Depts. who monitor and promote holidays in their respective Councils. It’s a careful balancing act and they realise that tourism is key to the success of their Of their local economies. This year has been a bit different from previous years and probably future years. BUT if you want to survive in the future you need to adapt and encourage. The trouble with some of these local authorities is that they are too reactive. If people like this councillor continue to exist in future I for one will boycott these areas and I am Welsh. If they want my money encourage me to spend by providing facilities to get me to want to come to your area if you don’t continue doing what you’ve always done and penalise me. Your loss! Oh and don’t whinge to the Senedd because you consider yourselves deprived areas. Like the old story of the Bank Manager- gives an umbrella when the sun shines but takes it away when it starts to rain

 

[nicholsong]

Not so easy in Poland, the e.u.'s beggar.

Poland
Wild camping in Poland is illegal. You are probably thinking of the Tatra and Karkonosze Mountains if you want to wild camp. Unfortunately, those mountains are very crowded and there is a good chance you will get caught if you wild camp there. You aren’t even allowed off the paths at those mountains. However, you might be able to find secluded places in other parts of Poland (outside of National Parks) where you could get away with wild camping.

There may be a law that says it is, but probably written in Communist times and never repealed. It is certainly not adhered to and there are many places where people wildcamp, it is very easy.

Anyway we spend more time in other countries.

Geoff

 

[Chris]

Image captionEndaf Edwards has called for camper vans to be banned
Sadly yet another Welsh dinosaur. Quick to whinge but no idea of how to change. Ceridigion, Pembrokeshire, Gwynedd all have Tourist Depts. who monitor and promote holidays in their respective Councils. It’s a careful balancing act and they realise that tourism is key to the success of their Of their local economies. This year has been a bit different from previous years and probably future years. BUT if you want to survive in the future you need to adapt and encourage. The trouble with some of these local authorities is that they are too reactive. If people like this councillor continue to exist in future I for one will boycott these areas and I am Welsh. If they want my money encourage me to spend by providing facilities to get me to want to come to your area if you don’t continue doing what you’ve always done and penalise me. Your loss! Oh and don’t whinge to the Senedd because you consider yourselves deprived areas. Like the old story of the Bank Manager- gives an umbrella when the sun shines but takes it away when it starts to rain

In Pembrokeshire I don’t think it’s a motorhome issue just a general parking issue this year.

Many of the car parks are free parking and they are just overloaded.

Given that ( I hope) we return to normal soon, it makes no economic sense for more car parks to be made which will probably lie idle in future years.

 

[AXO66]

HGVs have exemption due to having to take breaks re:- legal driving hours.

there was an interesting view on a thread about the conversion of vans to Moter caravans through the dvla
the view was if you are classed as a van with windows and weigh a lot , you might have to have a tachograph...........so need to make stops ( hope i remembered this correctly , )

the problem about wild camping , (and we have,) is the sheer number In west wales.
that seems to be spooking the authorities, sort.of “opps hadn’t seen this or even considered this happening.“ plus rubbish and toliet content being Left. Leading to vocal locals having a pop.

in the article about Aberwysteth the caravan and motor home club were quoted as saying that many of the vans were the only transport motirhomrs had to use, and were simply visiting the town during the day (as a car would.).

carparks in some areas overflowing, some not even half full.

we now find small cls and wnjoy some peace and quiet away from the busy towns.

 

[Northernraider]

Totaly agree booking goes against the grain when it comes to Motorhoming, never know where will end one day to the next.
If I had to book every time I went anywhere it would be time to give up the Motorhome, might as well stay in a Hotel.

I agree...if all those using motorhomes like caravans would just buy caravans and stay on sites there would be more room for real motorhomers to park without problems.

Wales is pretty crap anyway ....

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[tonyidle]

Try finding a site in the UK outside of March to September that is even open, or a CL or CS that isn't a muddy field in Winter.

Not everyone with a motorhome treats it like a caravan or just wants to tour in the Summer.

You get to a site before 'lockup', pay for a 'day' and have to leave by 11 the next day.

Pay and display parking with a 24 hour, no return policy is all that many motorhomers want.

And why not reopen public toilets with waste disposal points? - closing public toilets should not have been allowed on public health grounds anyway

I don't understand how LAs can't afford Public Toilets. Surely if they aren't viable simply charge enough that they become so. No-one desperate for the facility would object.

 

[Northernraider]

I'd happily see Illegally parked Motorhomes taken away and crushed. Those who prefer doing it the French way know where they can go

If it's not legal then, please - go to where it is. Don't try and impose your preferences on the rest of us!

Since we are all voicing our extreme opinions


Personally I think anyone who uses a motorhome as a caravan should have it confiscated and they should be banned from owning a recreation vehicle for life.

I'd also impose a ban on English motorhomes entering Scotland till they can provide the same quality of scenery and parking places.

Then we wouldn't have as much trouble finding FLT spots in scotland.

 

[Northernraider]

I don't understand how LAs can't afford Public Toilets. Surely if they aren't viable simply charge enough that they become so. No-one desperate for the facility would object.

They can but their thinking is if there's no public toilets folk then have to use bars , cafes, restaurants etc to go to the toilet

And of course these places then state customers only ..
So if you nip in to town for something from the shop and get caught short ...you need to visit a cafe etc

 

[tonyidle]

They can but their thinking is if there's no public toilets folk then have to use bars , cafes, restaurants etc to go to the toilet

And of course these places then state customers only ..
So if you nip in to town for something from the shop and get caught short ...you need to visit a cafe etc

They've done that in Kendal but the businesses involved cannot ask that visitors spend any money. I imagine embarrassment takes care of that though.

 

[63720]

Perhaps UK manufacturers could make MHs with no sanitary and cooking facilities especially for owners who only want to use campsites and leave European makers to carry on producing real ones for the rest of us who wish to use them fully outside of stalag camps.

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[MC 55 FUN]

Here's an example of a stalag park in West Wales :

 

[eddie]

They can but their thinking is if there's no public toilets folk then have to use bars , cafes, restaurants etc to go to the toilet

And of course these places then state customers only ..
So if you nip in to town for something from the shop and get caught short ...you need to visit a cafe etc

Haha I love your funny posts

The other day you told me that Local Authorities won’t supply Aires as campsite owners dump rubbish at car park to give motorhomes a bad name, now your suggesting that the Local Authority’s are in collusion with Granny Smith's Tea Shoppe to close all the toilets

Have you ever tried talking to the Local Authorities? It’s nightmare at the best of times

As a campsite owner I support Aires and would see it as a positive, but it will never happen as the rate payers perspective is, caravan, motorhome ergo Gypsies, and bad press doesn’t help matters.

There are still people that I know that still believe that I should be able to afford a ‘proper holiday’ by now, having absolutely no understanding about motorhomes or come to that how much it costs me to take a 9m RV across Europe in the high season!

Simply parking somewhere ‘because I don’t like sites’ isn’t an argument in law, it’s simply breaking the law. One has to assume if the Police are starting to issue fines, lots of people are breaking the law and the locals have had enough.

 

[63720]

I was turfed off Dartmoor years ago because the warden said sleeping in a campervan was against the bylaws, however he couldn't answer whether the same applied to a car when I pointed to one with two occupants away with the fairies.

 

[MC 55 FUN]

I was turfed off Dartmoor years ago because the warden said sleeping in a campervan was against the bylaws, however he couldn't answer whether the same applied to a car when I pointed to one with two occupants away with the fairies.

Some, or all of Dartmoor is classed as '' Common land '' to which alternate rules / bye-laws apply

Camping | Dartmoor

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[63720]

Haha I love your funny posts

The other day you told me that Local Authorities won’t supply Aires as campsite owners dump rubbish at car park to give motorhomes a bad name, now your suggesting that the Local Authority’s are in collusion with Granny Smith's Tea Shoppe to close all the toilets

Have you ever tried talking to the Local Authorities? It’s nightmare at the best of times

As a campsite owner I support Aires and would see it as a positive, but it will never happen as the rate payers perspective is, caravan, motorhome ergo Gypsies, and bad press doesn’t help matters.

There are still people that I know that still believe that I should be able to afford a ‘proper holiday’ by now, having absolutely no understanding about motorhomes or come to that how much it costs me to take a 9m RV across Europe in the high season!

Simply parking somewhere ‘because I don’t like sites’ isn’t an argument in law, it’s simply breaking the law. One has to assume if the Police are starting to issue fines, lots of people are breaking the law and the locals have had enough.

There is a large van community in Bristol and so far if the vehicles are legal and roadworthy the police take no action.

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[dhall26]

Perhaps UK manufacturers could make MHs with no sanitary and cooking facilities especially for owners who only want to use campsites and leave European makers to carry on producing real ones for the rest of us who wish to use them fully outside of stalag camps.

In New Zealand it is illegal to wild/free camp in a Motorcaravan that doesn't have a Fully Self Contained Certificate.
Works OK there

 

[Coolcats]

Now here is a thought, with council services having been cut due to austerity and the current government wishing to reduce local authorities power and funding, there is no chance of councils running Aires let alone policing them.

We have what we have, as long as everyone is respectful of the local bylaws parks appropriately leave no mess everything will be fine. We (as a nation) do however have an issue with the current shear volume of users and the minority that are despoiling places and getting on local's nerves, it is the latter that will cause legislation to increase prohibited parking places and overnight camping.

 

[nicholsong]

I think that all persons who allege that something is 'illegal' for certain activities in certain places should, in order to be taken seriously, cite the law which is being broken, whether national law, by-laws or RTOs, including the activity banned, its geographical scope, dates/days applicable and times. Also included should be any 'definitions' applicable to the above.

Some of those seeking citations may find that their allegations are unsubstantiated.

Equally those refuting that something is not illegal may find the opposite.

There is no point in batting about allegations without facts.

Geoff

 

[dhall26]

I think that all persons who allege that something is 'illegal' for certain activities in certain places should, in order to be taken seriously, cite the law which is being broken, whether national law, by-laws or RTOs, including the activity banned, its geographical scope, dates/days applicable and times. Also included should be any 'definitions' applicable to the above.

Some of those seeking citations may find that their allegations are unsubstantiated.

Equally those refuting that something is not illegal may find the opposite.

There is no point in batting about allegations without facts.

Geoff

Yes Geoff I agree.
For instance the argument that HGV drivers are required to stop and rest never seems to accept that ALL drivers are required not to fall asleep at the wheel.
In other words we all need to stop to rest or will be breaking the law.
David

 

[Northernraider]

Haha I love your funny posts

The other day you told me that Local Authorities won’t supply Aires as campsite owners dump rubbish at car park to give motorhomes a bad name, now your suggesting that the Local Authority’s are in collusion with Granny Smith's Tea Shoppe to close all the toilets

Have you ever tried talking to the Local Authorities? It’s nightmare at the best of times

As a campsite owner I support Aires and would see it as a positive, but it will never happen as the rate payers perspective is, caravan, motorhome ergo Gypsies, and bad press doesn’t help matters.

There are still people that I know that still believe that I should be able to afford a ‘proper holiday’ by now, having absolutely no understanding about motorhomes or come to that how much it costs me to take a 9m RV across Europe in the high season!

Simply parking somewhere ‘because I don’t like sites’ isn’t an argument in law, it’s simply breaking the law. One has to assume if the Police are starting to issue fines, lots of people are breaking the law and the locals have had enough.

You do talk such utter nonsense

I never at anytime said campsites were dumping rubbish and I never said councils were colluding with tea shops

Try specsavers


P.s Aires ARE happening do try to keep up

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