Lenny HB
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I had similar on a caravan.
Awful crash - note the age of the tyre that blew out (1 Viewer)
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Only if the customer doest look at the date stampAnd when you do the garage will sell them on as seconds.
It’s a tragedy. RIP.
last year I was on a dual carriageway about 65mph. Felt a vibration, which over the course of about 3-4 miles got worse and worse. Thankfully there was an exit so I rolled off and had a good look.
I don’t reckon it would have held another mile. It was a 15yr old tyre which had looked faultless. There but for the grace…
last year I was on a dual carriageway about 65mph. Felt a vibration, which over the course of about 3-4 miles got worse and worse. Thankfully there was an exit so I rolled off and had a good look.
I don’t reckon it would have held another mile. It was a 15yr old tyre which had looked faultless. There but for the grace…
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The recommendations for tyre life is there for a reason, not as many will think to make the manufacturers more money.
Tyres are degrading as soon as there manufactured,often degrade internally,different layers and materials,you were extremely lucky with that tyre,the vibration is caused as the tyre starts to delaminate internally,pressure then gets into the layers of construction causing ovality in the casing,add into the equation of heat and movement,often ends in disaster.people need to respect tyres more, dates,pressures wear patterns and loading
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15 year old tyre
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small cost to replace every 5 years compared to your safety and other road users and the cost of your motorhome
Apologies if this is a stupid question but what is the easiest way to check the age of a tyre?
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Tyre markings are a mine of information for those who know how to interpret them. Understanding the information on the sidewall of your tyres will help you choose the best tyres for your application and to look after your investment and your safety in future. What do they mean? In this article...
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Swifter
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Certainly not a stupid question.
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I thought they were going to bring in a law all tyre had to be replaced when 5 years old but never did,caravan on the road no mot or service required the law has to change
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When I lived in Spain 4 years was considered to be the ‘ safe ‘ age of a tyre. If involved in an accident there would likely be a problem with the insurance companies.
I’m also very sad at this possible prevention of loss of life by CHANGING the tyres at a certain age. I would like to add that I own an ex-NHS ambulance. On my journey converting it I found out a few interesting and nicely surprising facts about the safety of these vehicles. One of them is that the tyres ( Michelin Agilis CrossClimate) are changed every 6 weeks regardless of wear. Whilst I haven’t continued quite in that vein I have replaced them with like for like. I’m fully aware of the risks of ‘sub standard’ tyres and I do have experience from a ‘blow out’ in my earlier days in a 7.5 ton merc 608LD. We were travelling at 70mph on an Austrian motorway and one of my rear tyres ‘blew’. As many of you know it’s a large bang and then damage from flying tyre tread that can rip the wheel arch etc. Luckily as its a dually I didnt suffer any lack of control or direction. I pulled over and changed it with no drama. I will never forget that ‘loud bang’ and wish to never experience it ever again. I have taken the additional precaution to add a TPMS which monitors individual pressures and temperatures of all wheels. Interestingly (to me) I now realise how much temperatures rise when cruising and cornering etc. in so causing pressures to rise. I do keep a keen eye on them and will gladly advise anyone who is interested in good upkeep of tyres. Although I’m not trained at all in vehicle mechanics I do think I have a good understanding of safety but as accidents can happen anytime without fault I can only try to reduce the chances by reducing risk factors.
P.S. I'm not very good at articuling myself in these posts but I hope you get the jist of what im trying to say here. I do feel very sorry for those who lost their lives due to this accident and also for the driver/owner who possibly could have thought a bit harder about the condition of his tyres. Whilst no blame has been directed at him I do suppose he will suffer from the loss of his loved ones for the rest of his life and the guilt of feeling ‘if only’.
P.S. I'm not very good at articuling myself in these posts but I hope you get the jist of what im trying to say here. I do feel very sorry for those who lost their lives due to this accident and also for the driver/owner who possibly could have thought a bit harder about the condition of his tyres. Whilst no blame has been directed at him I do suppose he will suffer from the loss of his loved ones for the rest of his life and the guilt of feeling ‘if only’.
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The two main caravan clubs lobbied their members to reject the proposals.
Lenny HB
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So they couldn't care a toss about the safety of their members.
There are far more caravans running about with very old tyres than Motorhomes.
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The tyre aging/how to legislate question must be a challenge for politicians. As with so much else, how any tyre is used (miles), stored (exposed to UV or not), maintained, inflated, loaded and abused (pot holes, kerbs) all have huge influence of the rate of degradation. Evidence is cited above, from the guidance on sale and description of ‘new’ tyres (correct storage): up to 5yrs old can be described as ‘new’ and the guidance offered to hard use Ambulance tyres, where they are replaced in a matter of weeks.
Having said that, it would seem reasonable to suggest that general guidance stating replacement of any tyre at an absolute maximum of 10yrs regardless of use be adopted, with obviously shorter intervals where they have a hard life or are exposed to hard UV (as in Spain as mentioned above).
Even that wouldn’t catch everything. Every time I am unable to avoid a pothole in the UK and hear the sickening bang I know I have taken a few more weeks off the life of my (now new) tyres…
Having said that, it would seem reasonable to suggest that general guidance stating replacement of any tyre at an absolute maximum of 10yrs regardless of use be adopted, with obviously shorter intervals where they have a hard life or are exposed to hard UV (as in Spain as mentioned above).
Even that wouldn’t catch everything. Every time I am unable to avoid a pothole in the UK and hear the sickening bang I know I have taken a few more weeks off the life of my (now new) tyres…
Not if you take a Stanley knife with you,easy slice in the outer wall.And when you do the garage will sell them on as seconds.
Why on earth were you using a 15 year old tyre
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Having to replace my tyres after 6 years 18,400 miles. There are small cracks appearing in the side walls. Unable to find camper tyres so having to fit van tyres with 121 load rating.
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The first and foremost thing I would like to say is, my sympathy and condolences go out to anyone who is involved in any tragic accident.Tyre markings explained: How to read a tyre? | MICHELIN
Tyre markings are a mine of information for those who know how to interpret them. Understanding the information on the sidewall of your tyres will help you choose the best tyres for your application and to look after your investment and your safety in future. What do they mean? In this article...
People talk about the age of the tyre and somebody has kindly quoted half a post about the police comments.
A police investigation revealed there was hole in the front near side tyre, manufactured in 2002.
It was visible to the naked eye but the underlying damage the hole had caused to the structure of tyre was impossible to see.
Mr Hunt had applied emergency brakes but could not miss the HGV because the steering and braking systems were affected by the burst tyre.
Accident investigator TC Paddy Green, from North Yorkshire police, told the inquest: 'There was no suggestion or evidence the manner of his driving was in any way inappropriate leading up to the collision.
The Highway Code made clear that rear seat passengers should wear seat belts.
But Mrs Hunt and Ellie were in what became the rear living area of the motor home after it was converted.
There were no belts because the vehicle was not designed to carry rear passengers and there was no legal obligation to fit them.
Seatbelt legislation did not apply because the van was built as a commercial vehicle.
When he converted the commercial van, he should of registered the change with DVLA, making his van into a camper and he may of been subject to a different MOT test class 4/5 number of seat belts??
Car, motorcycle and van MOT tests - GOV.UK
Getting an MOT for a car, motorcycle or van, check the vehicle's status or history, or get MOT reminders.
- extra seat belts have been fitted since a previous MOT installation check (Compare the number of seat belts now fitted with the number shown on the last MOT certificate)
A goods vehicle which has been converted to a ‘passenger vehicle’ specification (for example, fitted with rear seats and side windows) must comply with the relevant ‘passenger vehicle’ requirements.
Nobody knows why that tyre failed and perhaps the driver hit road debris? The age of a tyre should always be a consideration to the owner, but it not a consideration to an MOT tester. The tester is looking for depth, uniform wear, side wall damage, cuts, holes, bubbles and cracks in rubber compound.
Car, motorcycle and van MOT tests - GOV.UK
Getting an MOT for a car, motorcycle or van, check the vehicle's status or history, or get MOT reminders.
"Tyre age
The check of tyre age applies to all vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats, other than vehicles of historical interest.Tyre age is determined by the date code on the sidewall and will be a three or four-digit code. Tyres with a three-digit code will be more than 10 years old."
MORE THAN 8 SEATS!!
Given the link posted above from michelin would be deemed an expert, "As for the end of the tyre's life, the ONLY indicator is its wear. This can be measured with the help of wear indicators."
Your garage will always tell you, what's beneficial to them(synical) & it's part of the decision process that you make as an owner.
The driver of this van clearly did not forsee what happened that horrible day, which was proven by no prosecution. He will probably carry the burden all of his life.
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When I bought my van 6 years ago the spare wheel was underneath.
I took it to my regular tyre specialist to have it removed as I knew I would struggle to take it off at the roadside.
The carrier was so rusted I was told it would have been impossible and they struggled even on a ramp in their workshop.
The tyre however was "new", even had the bobbles on.
I have since carried it in the vans garage.
The tyre was manufactured in 2001 when the van was new.
It has obviously not been used or needed in 23 years.
I would use if desperate and couldn't get recovered quickly.
It's not been needed - seems a waste to replace it now.
Should I keep it or just get rid and save the weight?
I took it to my regular tyre specialist to have it removed as I knew I would struggle to take it off at the roadside.
The carrier was so rusted I was told it would have been impossible and they struggled even on a ramp in their workshop.
The tyre however was "new", even had the bobbles on.
I have since carried it in the vans garage.
The tyre was manufactured in 2001 when the van was new.
It has obviously not been used or needed in 23 years.
I would use if desperate and couldn't get recovered quickly.
It's not been needed - seems a waste to replace it now.
Should I keep it or just get rid and save the weight?
My personal view would be. You would probably be ok. YOU know the age of the tyre, If it is ever used keep it in mind and drive very slowly (30mph) to somewhere you can get the original replaced. Do minimal miles just to be safe.
But if you sell the van, either remove the tyre OR let the new owner know that it is a really, really old tyre and just for emergencies.
I agree… you know about and if you ever need to use then drive accordingly until you can get it changed for a new one…
Can I ask which TPMS do you use?
Ive been looking at tyrepal but haven’t decided yet.
Thanks
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And the surviving child needs a parent.. (Who's not in jail.)
I bought a generic one off ebay. It’s the type that screw on the the valve instead of a valve cap. Just be careful the valve don’t bend and snap from centrifugal force. I use stainless steel extenders with brackets to hold them still.
This why, I ask for them back and slash the walls and pay a £1 each when I take them to get rid of by another tyre company or use them in my garden to grow my potatoes.And when you do the garage will sell them on as seconds.
The black tyres absorbs the heat which is great for earlies.
As a newbe to this forum and not too savvy with protocols, could i ask the Question in relation to the tyres and vehicle , HOW did it ever get past the required MOT each year , and if so surely its the garage that issued such a certificate that should be also held responsible . ronAs you say. Tragic. I do agree. But
I've not seen anything to say he was arrested and charged but reading the Mail report a Professional driver/technician driving a modified vehicle with his kids in the back with no seat belts owned it for 25 years with 2002 tyres on.
He might be devastated by what he has done and has to live with the consequences.
But where are the charges against him as the driver responsible for killing. As a professional driver technician he had the knowledge to prevent this happening to his family. I can't believe he took such a massive risk.
May his wife and children rest in peace.
IF, at the time of MOT, the tyre had sufficient tread depth with no obvious bulges etc. it will pass an MOT.
The responsibility clause for all MOT stations, ends at their doors.
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